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if there's one thing to notice, it's that the worst teams in the league have a bad defense, chiefs rams lions bucs browns raiders, it's not a coincidence, you need a good defense in the NFL to win. drafting defense may not be the most fun thing to see, but it's the most smart thing to do. I wouldn't mind dez bryant or c.j spiller, but other than that, I want all defense, and I think Evan Moore will be just fine.
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worst offense in 75 years and no playmakers on O...no riddle only the truth.
Also as evidenced by last nites play...defense played very well with nonames and always easier to fix than Offensive skill positions....SKILL positions!
Pro Tip: When everyone else is saying one thing and you are saying the exact opposite, you usually aren't the one with the bright idea.
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If there is one position I am not worried about, it is RB. The guys we have are perfectly fine (minus Jamal). Who knows about our WR corp. They are just young and learning on the job, it is too early to make a judgment call. O-line is solid with the exception of St. Clair. That man is a human turnstile, he lets everyone through. Sure, BQ has a severe case of "the sux" right now, but again, we don't know exactly how that is going to shake out. Evan Moore has been a pleasant surprise, who knows if it will last, but our TE's do blow balls with Winslow gone. Defense first my boy. One thing I know for sure is that you better not get emotionally attached to anyone on the roster because the team that takes the field in 2010 is going to look a lot different than this one.
One rushing touchdown in 13 games this year and since the buffalo game last year(well over a season total) and you are fine with the RB situation....lmfao...wow....
every1....lol right! P>S bone.... NOTHING I've stated is anything but fact!
One rushing touchdown in 13 games this year and since the buffalo game last year(well over a season total) and you are fine with the RB situation....lmfao...wow....
every1....lol right! P>S bone.... NOTHING I've stated is anything but fact!
solon lol theres a pretty good mix of opinions in there....I still see the french guys from monty python and the holy grail every time you post
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
Not true at all, the masses are hardly ever right.The majority of people believe in gravity and that the earth is round.
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win is a win... a needed Step for the Browns. Pittsburgh will Improve in `10 ... so the Browns gotta get better. 3 times in 39 yrs the Steelers had Back to Back losing seasons. So highly unlikely next year. Congrats ... Your Boys outplayed ours !
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
Not true at all, the masses are hardly ever right.The majority of people believe in gravity and that the earth is round.
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
yeah but it took a good amount of pushing from a few to get them to believe thatOk, you win, we should draft Offense first.
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
yeah but it took a good amount of pushing from a few to get them to believe thatOk, you win, we should draft Offense first.
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
I agree, but who is worth it to take first? I honestly don't see an offensive player worth that kind of money in this draft.I forgot the [/sarcasm] tag on my last post. Oh and I think futurama was critically overrated. Solid but not amazing.
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
I agree, but who is worth it to take first? I honestly don't see an offensive player worth that kind of money in this draft.I forgot the [/sarcasm] tag on my last post. Oh and I think futurama was critically overrated. Solid but not amazing.
I forgot the [/sarcasm] tag on my last post. Oh and I think futurama was critically overrated. Solid but not amazing.
lol well thank god everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I would say that family guy is better but they haven't been the same since they came back from getting kicked off the air the first time.
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I forgot the [/sarcasm] tag on my last post. Oh and I think futurama was critically overrated. Solid but not amazing.
lol well thank god everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I would say that family guy is better but they haven't been the same since they came back from getting kicked off the air the first time.
Dawgfanforever88 said:
lol well thank god everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I would say that family guy is better but they haven't been the same since they came back from getting kicked off the air the first time.Agreed on family guy. Simpsons has lost its magic too.
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"chiefs rams lions bucs browns raiders"
I' d venture to say bad offenses too...
@ dogfan....i fart in your general direction....lol Value as I spoke of....the only player worth that kind of $ on offense If ya don't go Qb is dez bryant IMO. That's what I'm trying to get across....we have a LT, no real DE worth it if we can't get SUH, the only playmaker worth that kind of $ is a stud wr and the best wr in this class is bryant....now if we happen to go with a corner (hayden) or safety(berry) i think they are reaches if we are in top 4 or 5...again JMO.
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no jamal and suddenly we get our first rushing touchdown. not a coincidence. Also, there is much more that goes into the running game than quality of your RB.
ha ha ha ha.....OK
if jennings had the best oline and the best play calling in the history of football he still wouldn't get to the pro-bowl....lol
ha ha ha ha.....OK
if jennings had the best oline and the best play calling in the history of football he still wouldn't get to the pro-bowl....lol
Jennings got 73 yards on 20 carries and 1 TD against the best rushing defense in the NFL, here the top performances(not in any order) by past RBs against Pittsburgh's defense:
Cedric Benson CIN, 76 yards on 16 carries(did not play much in 2nd game @ Steelers, probably due to injury), 1 TD. 1 reception for 5 yards(receiving doesn't have anything to do with their rushing defense so keep that in mind for the next ones)
Adrian Peterson MIN, 69 yards on 18 carries, 1 TD. 4 receptions for 60 yards.
Ray Rice BAL, 19 carries for 88 yards, 0 TD, 5 receptions for 67 yards(would be the best performance had he had a TD, McGahee got it and was only in the game for goal line carries, he had 5 total).
Justin Fargas OAK, 15 carries for 63 yards, 0 TD, 2 receptions for 13 yards.
Jamaal Charles, KC, 17 carries for 58 yards, 0 TD, 2 receptions for 8 yards and one of them is a TD. (only on this list because of the receiving TD, but no one else did better rushing wise past this)
Cribbs isn't on here since his position isn't RB, but he had 8 carries for 87 yards yesterday, and had 6 carries for 45 yards the first game.
So Jennings is easily in the top 5 RB performances against the Steelers defense, Jerome and Jamal weren't able to do ANYTHING against them.
Here's some of the RBs who weren't able to do anything against them(rushing wise at least):
Chris Johnson TEN, 15 carries for 57 yards, 0 TD, 1 reception for 11 yards. (and he's considered to be currently one of the best)
Kevin Smith DET, 20 carries for 53 yards, 0 TD, 3 receptions for 42 yards.
Matt Forte, CHI, 13 carries for 29 yards, 0 TD, 5 receptions for 55 yards.
Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter combined DEN, 14 carries for 27 yards, 0 TD, 2 receptions for 4 yards.
And this list doesn't even include fumbles, which Jennings had zero, so while I'm not going to pencil in Jennings as the starting RB for the next season already, I'm definitely giving him a good shot, if he's able to do this against Pittsburgh, let's see what he can do against an average Rushing defense, because he'll definitely be able to do more against those teams.
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win is a win... a needed Step for the Browns. Pittsburgh will Improve in `10 ... so the Browns gotta get better. 3 times in 39 yrs the Steelers had Back to Back losing seasons. So highly unlikely next year. Congrats ... Your Boys outplayed ours !
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Pittsburgh will Improve in `10This statement is based on ..... what?
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Pittsburgh will Improve in `10This statement is based on ..... what?
This statement is based on ..... what?
Hoping Bill Cowher comes back I am guessing.
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ha ha ha ha.....OK
if jennings had the best oline and the best play calling in the history of football he still wouldn't get to the pro-bowl....lol
Jennings got 73 yards on 20 carries and 1 TD against the best rushing defense in the NFL, here the top performances(not in any order) by past RBs against Pittsburgh's defense:
Cedric Benson CIN, 76 yards on 16 carries(did not play much in 2nd game @ Steelers, probably due to injury), 1 TD. 1 reception for 5 yards(receiving doesn't have anything to do with their rushing defense so keep that in mind for the next ones)
Adrian Peterson MIN, 69 yards on 18 carries, 1 TD. 4 receptions for 60 yards.
Ray Rice BAL, 19 carries for 88 yards, 0 TD, 5 receptions for 67 yards(would be the best performance had he had a TD, McGahee got it and was only in the game for goal line carries, he had 5 total).
Justin Fargas OAK, 15 carries for 63 yards, 0 TD, 2 receptions for 13 yards.
Jamaal Charles, KC, 17 carries for 58 yards, 0 TD, 2 receptions for 8 yards and one of them is a TD. (only on this list because of the receiving TD, but no one else did better rushing wise past this)
Cribbs isn't on here since his position isn't RB, but he had 8 carries for 87 yards yesterday, and had 6 carries for 45 yards the first game.
So Jennings is easily in the top 5 RB performances against the Steelers defense, Jerome and Jamal weren't able to do ANYTHING against them.
Here's some of the RBs who weren't able to do anything against them(rushing wise at least):
Chris Johnson TEN, 15 carries for 57 yards, 0 TD, 1 reception for 11 yards. (and he's considered to be currently one of the best)
Kevin Smith DET, 20 carries for 53 yards, 0 TD, 3 receptions for 42 yards.
Matt Forte, CHI, 13 carries for 29 yards, 0 TD, 5 receptions for 55 yards.
Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter combined DEN, 14 carries for 27 yards, 0 TD, 2 receptions for 4 yards.
And this list doesn't even include fumbles, which Jennings had zero, so while I'm not going to pencil in Jennings as the starting RB for the next season already, I'm definitely giving him a good shot, if he's able to do this against Pittsburgh, let's see what he can do against an average Rushing defense, because he'll definitely be able to do more against those teams.
Jennings got 73 yards on 20 carries and 1 TD against the best rushing defense in the NFL, here the top performances(not in any order) by past RBs against Pittsburgh's defense:
Cedric Benson CIN, 76 yards on 16 carries(did not play much in 2nd game @ Steelers, probably due to injury), 1 TD. 1 reception for 5 yards(receiving doesn't have anything to do with their rushing defense so keep that in mind for the next ones)
Adrian Peterson MIN, 69 yards on 18 carries, 1 TD. 4 receptions for 60 yards.
Ray Rice BAL, 19 carries for 88 yards, 0 TD, 5 receptions for 67 yards(would be the best performance had he had a TD, McGahee got it and was only in the game for goal line carries, he had 5 total).
Justin Fargas OAK, 15 carries for 63 yards, 0 TD, 2 receptions for 13 yards.
Jamaal Charles, KC, 17 carries for 58 yards, 0 TD, 2 receptions for 8 yards and one of them is a TD. (only on this list because of the receiving TD, but no one else did better rushing wise past this)
Cribbs isn't on here since his position isn't RB, but he had 8 carries for 87 yards yesterday, and had 6 carries for 45 yards the first game.
So Jennings is easily in the top 5 RB performances against the Steelers defense, Jerome and Jamal weren't able to do ANYTHING against them.
Here's some of the RBs who weren't able to do anything against them(rushing wise at least):
Chris Johnson TEN, 15 carries for 57 yards, 0 TD, 1 reception for 11 yards. (and he's considered to be currently one of the best)
Kevin Smith DET, 20 carries for 53 yards, 0 TD, 3 receptions for 42 yards.
Matt Forte, CHI, 13 carries for 29 yards, 0 TD, 5 receptions for 55 yards.
Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter combined DEN, 14 carries for 27 yards, 0 TD, 2 receptions for 4 yards.
And this list doesn't even include fumbles, which Jennings had zero, so while I'm not going to pencil in Jennings as the starting RB for the next season already, I'm definitely giving him a good shot, if he's able to do this against Pittsburgh, let's see what he can do against an average Rushing defense, because he'll definitely be able to do more against those teams.
Go ahead and annoint him if you want...I'm not impressed at all with Jennings....not at all!
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We finally beat the fking steelers and that's fking awesome....I enjoyed it thoroughly...huge!!!
if you think BQ is it then no Qb, we have a LT, there is no RB of peterson's stature, we have most likely lost Suh, (berry, or hayden if we go defense) BUT we have a fking putrid offense. we have no playmakers, we ran for a td for the first time this year (13 games) and first time since Giants game well over a year ago. Dez Bryant, (1st because of Value){top 5 pick}, Rb in second( jonathan Dwyer,Kendall hunter, ryan mathews, TE in third pitta maybe.....WE NEED OFFENSIVE PLAYMAKERS....We have the worst offense in over 75 years! Can we please wake up and recognize!
Defense is easier to fix than Offensive skill positions!
We finally beat the fking steelers and that's fking awesome....I enjoyed it thoroughly...huge!!!
if you think BQ is it then no Qb, we have a LT, there is no RB of peterson's stature, we have most likely lost Suh, (berry, or hayden if we go defense) BUT we have a fking putrid offense. we have no playmakers, we ran for a td for the first time this year (13 games) and first time since Giants game well over a year ago. Dez Bryant, (1st because of Value){top 5 pick}, Rb in second( jonathan Dwyer,Kendall hunter, ryan mathews, TE in third pitta maybe.....WE NEED OFFENSIVE PLAYMAKERS....We have the worst offense in over 75 years! Can we please wake up and recognize!
Defense is easier to fix than Offensive skill positions!
I'll disagree. "defense wins championships" It's still true whether you like it or not & the Browns D is almost as bad as the O. Look at the Ravens D that won the SB- it was loaded with high picks, and they won with Trent Freaking Dilfer at quarterback. The only team to win a SB in memory with a lousy D was the Colts.
The most glaring need for the Browns O is a RT- StClair is a damn turnstile.
If we just lost out on the Suh sweepstakes, Berry is the logical choice- notice how the Steelers D fell apart without Poly-moo-moo in there? Lessee- we got Mike Adams, a WR (Furrey) and a guy that's one concussion away from retirement (Poole) and try and tell me safety isn't a crying need.
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I'll disagree. "defense wins championships" It's still true whether you like it or not & the Browns D is almost as bad as the O.
Man you need some reading skills.....where exactly(in my thread) are you responding to me with this? I said offensive skill positions are harder to get than defensive ones....defense is easier to fix....and you come up this this shit? I said we have the worst offense since 1933 and you come back with defense wins championships? Our first rushing touchdown in thirteen games this year and since buffalo game last year(a whole season) and this is your retort? WTF...are you that stupid?
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Agreed and have said for years (Captain Obvious)..this team lacks playmkers...on both sides of the ball. We have one on ST.
CJ SPiller = playmaker that could play today..i get that..im cool with a trade down mor picks/players and snag Cj in 1st round..great!
Dez Bryant?...I love that guy...but is he ready to be the guy?..today?..most likely not...maybe mid seaon or 2nd year he will..but its very rare a rookie reciever does much of anything (BTW we are starting 2 of them....)
a name that intrigues me is Miles Austin...i believe his a free agent... line him up next to mo mass with stukcey/robo in slot..and do not forget about Stallworth..he may get another shot and be out to prov something...hes quite fast...an this offense lacks SPEEEED.
Draft (3rd roundish) a RT..or sign best availb FA RT.
Instant Offense?...
Still hard to pass up Berry..and no way you pass up Suh if he is an option..but he won't be
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