Weis... how much does his endorsement really mean?
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How funny, tool, idiot a bunch of name calling for people who purport to be adults who feel in order to strengthen their positions on a topic name calling like a 5 year old child is effective.
Legacy you must have forgot that OSU had Texas as game 2 on thier schedule for a couple of years and the FACT unlike Notre Dame we have actually won a national championship within the last 6 years.
We did play ND head to head and destroyed Quinn and company along with that overhyped media darling Weis in a bowl game.
Did Notre Dame just recently drop the academic standards for players that willingham wanted for Weis in order to be competitive? how did that work out? As for Clausen I thought the developmental skills of Weis should be in full effect....
All of you after ONE LOSS TO A TERRIBLE DEFENSE are ready to herald the age of Quinn.... IF that is not completely irrational I dont know what is. WE LOST and yes you people have been blaming DA for TEAM losses non stop and you know it. Suddenly the other factors are important now that Quinn was the QB and we still lost the same way even though he had more tools and a piss poor defense to play against.
All of you after ONE LOSS TO A TERRIBLE DEFENSE are ready to herald the age of Quinn.... IF that is not completely irrational I dont know what is. WE LOST and yes you people have been blaming DA for TEAM losses non stop and you know it. Suddenly the other factors are important now that Quinn was the QB and we still lost the same way even though he had more tools and a piss poor defense to play against.
What a fooking whiner. Pull the tampon out, Sev. Jesus man you sound like a little girl. Nobody was jumping for joy over the loss. People were happy we have a QB that has two brain cells.
You're boy is becoming exposed as a non-leader and a poor general on the field. I thought I saw everything until your little bitch went running for the sidelines during the hurry up offense looking for a play.
And yes is time to "herald the age of Quinn" because DA had his chance and couldn't rise to the challenge. His time is but a footnote in Browns football.
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Diehard I have put out the statistics of DA's last 5 games and it means nothing to the pro quinn crowd. "cockpit" teams whose defensive rating suck, bail out catches by Kw and BE, Locking onto KW something BQ DID EXACTLy, are all used to criticize anything he did now suddenly none of those things are in play.
BQ has done NOTHING yet and the fans PERCEPTION is not fact. He led us to a loss... is it all his fault? NO but it would be if it was DA. ITs not his team permanently it is for the rest of the season and thats it until he proves what Fans THINK he may have. Nothing has been decided as much as the pro bq crowd thinks it is.
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Im not in love with Da like the chanting crowds for BQ nor do I hate the kid. I have been talking about Team flaws not QB problems while most of you have been screaming about DA and pointing to any flaw as to why we need to change to bq for some positive change....
Well we lost to a piss poor defense and he had more tools and we lost the same and after ONE game suddenly the high throws, low throws, catches bailed out by KW, 3 -4 throws in a row in the redzone for no td, the "cockpit" NEVER are used as criticisms even though that is exactly what happened during the game.
He had the ball at the end of the game and threw incompletes that ended the game and nothing from the same micro criticizing group. Suddenly those are GONE and now the same people are now looking at the other things because supposably the QB spot is taken care of.
Legacy come on you know the ND program is not a good program anymore nor is it anywhere near the OSU program. ND is a joke and not even ranked anymore, during bq era they lost to oregan state and ohio state and LSU. You know they lowered the standards for Weis it was news in order to rebuild the program.
You cant even talk about Heisman or national championship or even winning bowl games because ND has not done that for quite some time. You are only on the national concious from the prior accomplishments from the 80's and one movie that starred a hobbit.
He had the ball at the end of the game and threw incompletes that ended the game and nothing from the same micro criticizing group. Suddenly those are GONE and now the same people are now looking at the other things because supposably the QB spot is taken care of.
Wow. A prime-time game and you missed it.Legacy come on you know the ND program is not a good program anymore nor is it anywhere near the OSU program. ND is a joke and not even ranked anymore, during bq era they lost to oregan state and ohio state and LSU. You know they lowered the standards for Weis it was news in order to rebuild the program.
That's an awfully bold statement with no news story to back it up. Hell, I'd even read something from the blogosphere.You cant even talk about Heisman or national championship or even winning bowl games because ND has not done that for quite some time. You are only on the national concious from the prior accomplishments from the 80's and one movie that starred a hobbit.
Until 2002 OSU feasted on the woody hayes era. Pot, meet kettle. (And if we want to get stupid over it, ND still leads the pack with 8 recognized NC's compared to OSU's 5). BQ was a finalist for the heisman his jr & sr years. Why can't I fcuking talk about it? Because Troys Myth won 2 years ago? How's he holding up sitting behind 1-Delaware-A Flacco?
Give me a break.
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Diehard I have put out the statistics of DA's last 5 games and it means nothing to the pro quinn crowd. "cockpit" teams whose defensive rating suck, bail out catches by Kw and BE, Locking onto KW something BQ DID EXACTLy, are all used to criticize anything he did now suddenly none of those things are in play.
BQ has done NOTHING yet and the fans PERCEPTION is not fact. He led us to a loss... is it all his fault? NO but it would be if it was DA. ITs not his team permanently it is for the rest of the season and thats it until he proves what Fans THINK he may have. Nothing has been decided as much as the pro bq crowd thinks it is.
He led us to a loss... is it all his fault? NO but it would be if it was DA.
Just when I thought I read the dumbest thing ever.....
Dude. Go back and read all of the praises and adulation DA got the last time he posted a 3-effing-digit QB rating. Now, go back and review everything he's done since then.
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Diehard I have put out the statistics of DA's last 5 games and it means nothing to the pro quinn crowd. "cockpit" teams whose defensive rating suck, bail out catches by Kw and BE, Locking onto KW something BQ DID EXACTLy, are all used to criticize anything he did now suddenly none of those things are in play.
BQ has done NOTHING yet and the fans PERCEPTION is not fact. He led us to a loss... is it all his fault? NO but it would be if it was DA. ITs not his team permanently it is for the rest of the season and thats it until he proves what Fans THINK he may have. Nothing has been decided as much as the pro bq crowd thinks it is.
He led us to a loss... is it all his fault? NO but it would be if it was DA. ITs not his team permanently it is for the rest of the season and thats it until he proves what Fans THINK he may have. Nothing has been decided as much as the pro bq crowd thinks it is.
That's not true. Had Anderson put up those numbers and moved the offense like that and we still lost, the blame would've been on the defense where it should be. The problem is that Anderson rarely (if ever) had a good game in a game that we lost. As near as I can remember, he never had a game moving the offense like that in a game that we ended losing. Most games that we lost when DA was QB, he played like shit.
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The difference between blaming DA for the earlier losses and not Quinn for the loss to Denver is that DA played like shit in every game this season except for the Giants game. Even an average performance against Washington, Pittsburgh, or Baltimore (twice) and we win all 4 of those games this year. That is why those losses are being pinned on Anderson and why even though we lost to Denver, we scored 30 points and the offense moved the ball all game long.
Yes Mark, we all know that, those of us who live and die with this team. But for those who are more worried about being right by backing DA, they're never going to back down. They'll follow Queen into the grave laughing the whole time.
How any fooking body in their right minds can still support DA over Queen as a supposed real Browns fan boggles my mind man. DA has a 68 QBR people, he's 31st in the league and hasn't done shit since the midway point last season.
Yes Mark, we all know that, those of us who live and die with this team. But for those who are more worried about being right by backing DA, they're never going to back down.
You mean like you've done for the last year and a half for the golden domer? Is that why there's such bitterness about the defense and RAC right now?
When you go claiming all year that the only problem was the QB and then switch course 180 degrees the moment the new QB comes in and loses.....then you're just a hypocrite.
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Diehard I have put out the statistics of DA's last 5 games and it means nothing to the pro quinn crowd. "cockpit" teams whose defensive rating suck, bail out catches by Kw and BE, Locking onto KW something BQ DID EXACTLy, are all used to criticize anything he did now suddenly none of those things are in play.
BQ has done NOTHING yet and the fans PERCEPTION is not fact. He led us to a loss... is it all his fault? NO but it would be if it was DA. ITs not his team permanently it is for the rest of the season and thats it until he proves what Fans THINK he may have. Nothing has been decided as much as the pro bq crowd thinks it is.
are all used to criticize anything he did now suddenly none of those things are in play.
1 - Because he has not done this game after game after game, costing us chances to win. Quinn will most certainly cost us games. The key here is DA could not beat the good teams. We'll see about Quinn.
2 - You act like we're all supposed to get schitzo over Quinn and start slamming him for no INT's, 2 TD's and a chance at the end to win the game.
3 - Everything is in play. Why are you reluctant to give the kid a chance? DA had his honeymoon period too, ya know.
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Yes Mark, we all know that, those of us who live and die with this team. But for those who are more worried about being right by backing DA, they're never going to back down.
You mean like you've done for the last year and a half for the golden domer? Is that why there's such bitterness about the defense and RAC right now?
When you go claiming all year that the only problem was the QB and then switch course 180 degrees the moment the new QB comes in and loses.....then you're just a hypocrite.
When you go claiming all year that the only problem was the QB and then switch course 180 degrees the moment the new QB comes in and loses.....then you're just a hypocrite.
Here we go with the revisionist historians again. Do you remember the Cincy game? Well I do, and that is when this board started to put the heat on DA all offseason. We gave him a chance -- hell I said he should have started -- but he has failed.
Now get over it already you psychotic freakshow.
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The Cincy game last year was the start. Pittsburgh this year, both Baltimore games, Washington game this yea, Cincy game this year (despite the win) all were examples of how far DA had fallen. If it wasn't for the Giants game this year, he would've played poorly in EVERY game this season.
At what point does someone deserve to lose their job in your world Lumpdick? Fact is...a coach with any balls would've pulled DA at some point this season weeks ago to at least make an attempt to see what Quinn could do and to change things up in a game where the offense looked like shit.
He's lucky he held onto the job as long as he did this season with how poorly he played.
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Poor Sev. He's really not a Browns fan. He's a college football fan and a Buckeye. Nothing wrong with that, but his flat out disgust for anything ND makes it impossible to see reality.
Again, we're all waiting for Sev to bust out a fact pattern to support his position. Instead, we get psycho-babble double talk.
I guess he did point out the "fact" that DA's first start was better than Quinn's. Oops. Wait. Sev had the first Cincy game last year as DA's first start. It wasn't.
Oh, then he qualified it with "first start after having been given the team".
Guy never really had an credibility and then goes ahead and actually starts this thread?
Sev, you're utterly and totally lost. Give up. Seriously.
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Yes Mark, we all know that, those of us who live and die with this team. But for those who are more worried about being right by backing DA, they're never going to back down.
You mean like you've done for the last year and a half for the golden domer? Is that why there's such bitterness about the defense and RAC right now?
When you go claiming all year that the only problem was the QB and then switch course 180 degrees the moment the new QB comes in and loses.....then you're just a hypocrite.
You mean like you've done for the last year and a half for the golden domer? Is that why there's such bitterness about the defense and RAC right now?
When you go claiming all year that the only problem was the QB and then switch course 180 degrees the moment the new QB comes in and loses.....then you're just a hypocrite.
Lumsford, I recommend a nice bottle of Chianti, a warm fire, some of your tunes I given you the lyrics to, your Derek Bear Doll and a box of tissues to cry this one out. You obviously haven't come to grips that here in Cleveland we get rid of QB's that suck. Ones that cost us the playoffs by posting 4 picks, posting a sub 70 QBR since the midpoint of last season, handling a two minute drill like Richard Simmons on ecstacy and overall costing this team many wins. This is not acceptable to us here, now some of you may harbor a little ill will to the ND QB taking his spot, but really fellers, it all comes down to the suckage that was DA.
RIP in Cleveland DA or pray for Queen to get hurt, cause things be looking bleak and shit.
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I think Sev wants Quinn to fail. I'm not sure why because that means we have no QBs instead of 1...that's bad.
So much for being a fan of the Browns, and not just Derek Anderson.
take a look in the mirror. You and 90% of this board prayed for DA to throw a pick every time he dropped back to pass.
And the Browns do have 1 QB. He's 25 with a Pro Bowl resume and his name all over the Browns record books.
They might have another one, but they don't know yet.
take a look in the mirror. You and 90% of this board prayed for DA to throw a pick every time he dropped back to pass.
And the Browns do have 1 QB. He's 25 with a Pro Bowl resume and his name all over the Browns record books.
They might have another one, but they don't know yet.
Lums all 90% of us want is a competant coach and a winning team DA being left on the field for way longer then he should of been because he is inconsistant was not his fault it was RACs fault..
I dont think many of us wished DA to throw a int with every pass but deep down we just knew it was going to happen and if he didnt have a pick off in a game it ussually means we were playing with a crippled gameplan from chud to try and keep DA from screwing up..
Im for whoever can lead this offense to victory for 6 games now ive felt BQ could come off the bench unprepared and play at least as good as DA and make better decisions but we have a coach that would rather bet on the wrong horse and has costed the browns this season hopefully Fatass will be gone next year and the new coach can determine who starts im thinking 10 out of 10 good coaches would take quinn we wont be able to unload DA for much unless savage can convince them that DA was poorly coached(which he is)...
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Diehard I have put out the statistics of DA's last 5 games and it means nothing to the pro quinn crowd. "cockpit" teams whose defensive rating suck, bail out catches by Kw and BE, Locking onto KW something BQ DID EXACTLy, are all used to criticize anything he did now suddenly none of those things are in play.
BQ has done NOTHING yet and the fans PERCEPTION is not fact. He led us to a loss... is it all his fault? NO but it would be if it was DA. ITs not his team permanently it is for the rest of the season and thats it until he proves what Fans THINK he may have. Nothing has been decided as much as the pro bq crowd thinks it is.
Diehard I have put out the statistics of DA's last 5 games and it means nothing to the pro quinn crowd.
Come on man. You didn't but up his stats for the last 5 games, you put up the cumulative total QBR for his last 5 games. Which is heavily skewed by the game against the G-men.
Right in this thread is his totals for his last 5 games, game by game, and it ain't pretty. The stats also don't show the should of been picks either.
Read JADBF's signature line. It explains why people believe DA should hit the bench and that people did not believe he was the only problem on the team.
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how many games have you been to Greythan? I was at the Buffalo game last year driving thru the storm and back again. Just because you like to attempt to frame any discussion on BQ by me as anti ND does not mean its true. I have been to almost EVERY home game for you to make that sort of unqualified conjecture just because I dont agree with most fans on one topic is juvenile and obviously incorrect.
I did put up his comp rating, qb rating, yds per throw, tds, int, yards per game etc. Again "his stats are skewed by the giants game" always trying to qualify anything positive by giving a example of the one game theory.
should have been picks, ok what about the should have been tds, or whatever hypothetical denigrating qualifying reason you can come up with. should have been, cockpit, circus catches, bad defenses, see a pattern.
Wait Brady played a terrible D... so its should not count right? What about the bail out catches and locking in only winslow? the low balls, high balls and the stats are only good because of the cockpit? What about the last drive where he threw incompletes when he had a chance to lead us down the field to win against a terrible D with more tools because we had STallworth and a running game..
What the same criticisms of DA dont hold for Brady? I am sorry Did we lose that game where everybody is all happy about Brady? I see his bad throws and locking in on a reciever is no problem in our "cockpit" his incompletes to kill the last drive and the other set in the redzone we could not score a td dont count because its BRADY but if it was DA..... O then his good stats would only be because of the the terrible D and he was bailed out by Kw yet he killed the last drives with his incompletes and he could not score in the redzone because his decision making is not good and he is not athletic enough or have the it factor or leadership... Wait it was Brady not Da yet we see or hear nothing.... Suddenly its the other team factors not the qb position. I know when I made these points I was blind because it was DA. I was justifying for Da and not holding him accountable.
I dont think it was Brady fault we lost however against a poor defense with more tools the comparison to how we lost two games back to back are clearly valid.
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how many games have you been to Greythan? I was at the Buffalo game last year driving thru the storm and back again. Just because you like to attempt to frame any discussion on BQ by me as anti ND does not mean its true. I have been to almost EVERY home game for you to make that sort of unqualified conjecture just because I dont agree with most fans on one topic is juvenile and obviously incorrect.
I did put up his comp rating, qb rating, yds per throw, tds, int, yards per game etc. Again "his stats are skewed by the giants game" always trying to qualify anything positive by giving a example of the one game theory.
should have been picks, ok what about the should have been tds, or whatever hypothetical denigrating qualifying reason you can come up with. should have been, cockpit, circus catches, bad defenses, see a pattern.
Wait Brady played a terrible D... so its should not count right? What about the bail out catches and locking in only winslow? the low balls, high balls and the stats are only good because of the cockpit? What about the last drive where he threw incompletes when he had a chance to lead us down the field to win against a terrible D with more tools because we had STallworth and a running game..
What the same criticisms of DA dont hold for Brady? I am sorry Did we lose that game where everybody is all happy about Brady? I see his bad throws and locking in on a reciever is no problem in our "cockpit" his incompletes to kill the last drive and the other set in the redzone we could not score a td dont count because its BRADY but if it was DA..... O then his good stats would only be because of the the terrible D and he was bailed out by Kw yet he killed the last drives with his incompletes and he could not score in the redzone because his decision making is not good and he is not athletic enough or have the it factor or leadership... Wait it was Brady not Da yet we see or hear nothing.... Suddenly its the other team factors not the qb position. I know when I made these points I was blind because it was DA. I was justifying for Da and not holding him accountable.
I dont think it was Brady fault we lost however against a poor defense with more tools the comparison to how we lost two games back to back are clearly valid.
how many games have you been to Greythan? I was at the Buffalo game last year driving thru the storm and back again. Just because you like to attempt to frame any discussion on BQ by me as anti ND does not mean its true. I have been to almost EVERY home game for you to make that sort of unqualified conjecture just because I dont agree with most fans on one topic is juvenile and obviously incorrect.
I did put up his comp rating, qb rating, yds per throw, tds, int, yards per game etc. Again "his stats are skewed by the giants game" always trying to qualify anything positive by giving a example of the one game theory.
should have been picks, ok what about the should have been tds, or whatever hypothetical denigrating qualifying reason you can come up with. should have been, cockpit, circus catches, bad defenses, see a pattern.
Wait Brady played a terrible D... so its should not count right? What about the bail out catches and locking in only winslow? the low balls, high balls and the stats are only good because of the cockpit? What about the last drive where he threw incompletes when he had a chance to lead us down the field to win against a terrible D with more tools because we had STallworth and a running game..
What the same criticisms of DA dont hold for Brady? I am sorry Did we lose that game where everybody is all happy about Brady? I see his bad throws and locking in on a reciever is no problem in our "cockpit" his incompletes to kill the last drive and the other set in the redzone we could not score a td dont count because its BRADY but if it was DA..... O then his good stats would only be because of the the terrible D and he was bailed out by Kw yet he killed the last drives with his incompletes and he could not score in the redzone because his decision making is not good and he is not athletic enough or have the it factor or leadership... Wait it was Brady not Da yet we see or hear nothing.... Suddenly its the other team factors not the qb position. I know when I made these points I was blind because it was DA. I was justifying for Da and not holding him accountable.
I dont think it was Brady fault we lost however against a poor defense with more tools the comparison to how we lost two games back to back are clearly valid.
Sev, it's not that your criticisms of BQ aren't valid ones, it just becomes obvious that throughout your body of posts, that you are a stats/individual thumper when discussing DA and a results/outcome thumper when it comes to BQ (he lost to Denver/LSU/OSU/USC - like he's the 1st to lose to any of those teams
).And regarding the final drive vs Denver (as if the entire performance before it ever resembled an effort that DA put together
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Diehard I have put out the statistics of DA's last 5 games and it means nothing to the pro quinn crowd.
Come on man. You didn't but up his stats for the last 5 games, you put up the cumulative total QBR for his last 5 games. Which is heavily skewed by the game against the G-men.
Right in this thread is his totals for his last 5 games, game by game, and it ain't pretty. The stats also don't show the should of been picks either.
Read JADBF's signature line. It explains why people believe DA should hit the bench and that people did not believe he was the only problem on the team.
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Come on man. You didn't but up his stats for the last 5 games, you put up the cumulative total QBR for his last 5 games. Which is heavily skewed by the game against the G-men.Good point Masterbater. We should throw out DA's game against the Giants. Sure he's the only QB to beat the Giants in their last 14 games, but who cares?
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Masters said:
Come on man. You didn't but up his stats for the last 5 games, you put up the cumulative total QBR for his last 5 games. Which is heavily skewed by the game against the G-men.Good point Masterbater. We should throw out DA's game against the Giants. Sure he's the only QB to beat the Giants in their last 14 games, but who cares?
Good point Masterbater. We should throw out DA's game against the Giants. Sure he's the only QB to beat the Giants in their last 14 games, but who cares?
Yep, throw it out. Yep, who cares. Throw out his lowest while you're at it. A guy usually isn't as good as his best game or as bad as his worst.
I love watching DA when he comes out on fire, as he did against the Gmen this year and the Bengals last year. Nobody expects it to be his norm, but he needs to have the ability to settle back down and at least be average. Or God forbid, above average.
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Sev, you just don't show an ounce of balance on the topic.
Find me the post where I annointed BQ as "the answer". What most posters have stated is that his play against Denver was promising. I agree.
What most posters have also said is that DA has to be accountable for his play and that his league low passer rating was not solely the fault of his supporting cast. (A point you somehow fail to acknowledge.)
Its pretty simple. DA lost his job due to poor performance. Had he played well in the eyes of his coaches, we still wouldn't be seeing Quinn on the field. You'd probably be seeing Quinn in another uniform if DA had truly built upon last year.
Lots of road to travel before we can say Quinn is or isn't the solution. But for you to start this thread was flat out juvenile. Give up, you fighting with shadows. I mean seriously. Reread the bullshit you posted to start this thread:
Currently 5-4 and looking at another losing season with a cream puff schedule. Jimmy Clausen well SUCKS...
Between RAC and Weis both beneficiaries of being in proximity to Belicheck but neither really are producing nothing on thier own. I remember all of the talk of being pro ready and Weis said this and that about BQ. How much water does that really hold?
We will se what BQ can do over the next few games if he can lead us to WIN as a team considering it was supposably the QB position holding us back.
So if we lose 80% of our next 7 games what then?
How can you expect to be taken seriously? The root of your argument is that DA was playing just fine and we should have stuck with him. The FO and coaching staff disagree along with most rational fans. What's worse is you post this after Quinn plays a pretty good game. Why don't you wait until he inevitably plays poorly? Then you can celebrate and post all the anti-Quin, anti-ND, anti-Weiss crap you want.
You're becoming a joke. Only surpassed by that moron from Oregon. That should scare you.
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Masters said:
Come on man. You didn't but up his stats for the last 5 games, you put up the cumulative total QBR for his last 5 games. Which is heavily skewed by the game against the G-men.Good point Masterbater. We should throw out DA's game against the Giants. Sure he's the only QB to beat the Giants in their last 14 games, but who cares?
Good point Masterbater. We should throw out DA's game against the Giants. Sure he's the only QB to beat the Giants in their last 14 games, but who cares?
No you don't. The point is that you have to look game by game. Not an average. If you're gonna use an average, you got to throw out the highest and the lowest so it isn't skewed. Though it still doesn't tell you how he really has done. Which wasn't good.
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Legacy I dont know what BQ will do, he has 7 more games and we as fans at this point need to see him. I just happen to think the criticisms of DA are a bit extreme due to perception and bias.
When I have chose to for quite some time to look at total team factors I was accused of giving DA a pass etc. The fact that BQ did some very similar things and yet no one is using the same criticisms reeks of selective hypocracy.
I dont think and anyone who says This is BQ's team permanently after one game and a loss against a crappy D that the QB position. Does he have a good chance? yes but he is going to have to prove it on the field with wins over the next 7 games.
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