Weis... how much does his endorsement really mean?

Lumbergh

@lumbergh said:
DA's contract isn't breaking the bank and he isn't gonna renegotiate his contract just so that he can make less than BQ. Not gonna happen. Sorry BQ fan.

Then he is gonna get cut or traded. His contract and roster bonus is far too much for a back up QB.

Tobalaz

We need an ignore option, not only to ignore posters, but to be able to ignore their quotes as well.

I was ecstatic to see Lummy on my ignore list but people just keep quoting him, it almost defeats the purpose.

Point is, DA flopped, Romeo hasn't got a clue, and Lummy still sucks then swallows.

d531

BQ is not " THE ANSWER". The browns have several problems and BQ is a hopeful savior of one of them. One game into it, and so far, he's passed the test. Browns fans need to hope that he is "the guy" to bring consistancy to that position so the franchise can move on to other areas. Without question, enough time has been allowed to find out that DA is not dependable week in and week out....Keep your fingers crossed for BQ

Greythan

and its funny how you disappeared after your predictions for DA and the Giants game.

I was right here bubbleboy.

I posted several complimentary points about DA. He played a fantastic game that evening. Pretty impressive considering the Giants are the best team in football for my money.

However, I didn't waiver from my long running concern with DA and that's consistency. That's his ability to perform well when things aren't going perfect.

Its almost comical how you want to use the small sample size argument to attack Quinn's debut and yet turn around and reference an equally small sample with DA. Even more ironic considering the significant evidence of poor outings from DA that actually support the QB change.

There's no debating with you, however, since you'll never allow for being wrong. Even when faced with factual corrections ("DA's first start was week two last year"..... wrong), you can't muster the internal fortitude to own up.

ATENEARS

Page 5 and no post from me insight?

I gotta start getting busy weeding out all these BQ homo's.

osusev

the best part of your cinci statement is what you initially referred to his start as the pitt game not the 2006 season and you even referred to the cinci game. Not until you actually looked at nfl.com did you search for his "official franchise starts" in 06 AFTER i had posted.

It really does not matter, you BQ boosters will continue to be hypocritical regardless of the realities. IF he does prove out after playing this year fine but the book is not closed by a mile as much as some of you think it is.

Greythan

the best part of your cinci statement is what you initially referred to his start as the pitt game not the 2006 season and you even referred to the cinci game. Not until you actually looked at nfl.com did you search for his "official franchise starts" in 06 AFTER i had posted.

I didn't correct you in that thread. Another poster did. (Inspecta? or Lemo? Not sure.)

Regardless, you never did say, "Yeah, good point. I guess comparing DA's Cincy game to Quinn's first start isn't really apples to apples." Something like that would have built your credibility. FYI.

osusev

I dont need lemosley or you any other bq boosters opinion of what a post to be "credible". This is not an election or a high school popularity contest, I dont need to agree with popular opinion to feel credible. Its a fan board where anyone can voice whatever they want regardless of supporting opinion.

The truths as we see it as fans meet nothing (unless the ownership is worried about sales) to what happens on the field. BQ has 7 games to prove his worth and whether or not he stays or goes, nothing is over yet and we are losing and lost to a horrible defense.

ballpeen

I don't think this season will dictate if he goes or stays past this season.

The only way Quinn isn't firmly in the #1 slot going in to next season is if between now and then he breaks his neck or is arrested on some sort of molestation charge.

Riffer X

The main thing I have issue with is the standards put on Queen like he has to perform at a high level and the team has to win for the rest of the year. I happen to think both will happen, however he deserves just as much time as DA has had to establish his game. Only way would be if he absolutely is horrendous and puts up DA type numbers but worse, than maybe you open up next year for competition. The chances of that happening are minimal, as we've already seen a pretty good performance that gives inclination that he is already better in many facets of the game than DA.

Denver just held Matty Ice to 20 points yesterday in Atlanta, so the sucky defense thing holds a little cred, but not much. Either way Queen may have some games he struggles, but this doesn't mean it's all "get DA in there now" crap. BQ deserves some time to put starts together just like DA, although DA proved nothing but getting worse as defenses caught on.

If you're still clinging to DA being the starter and putting limits on what Queen has to do, you are obviously either A) an Oregon Trailer or a ND BQ hater who is more interested in being prove right that you backed DA. It's time to back the current QB and give him a shot, not hopr for him to fail miserably and end up with two average QB's.

Riffer X

@jadbf said:
Well said Riff.
Quinn deserves the same chances DA recieved. Well maybe not the exact same chances. Remember Savage traded Frye away the minute DA was named starter last year. my guess is this was partially to allow DA to feel comfortable without someone looking over his shoulder.

Well Golf, I proved this awhile back with Lumquat. They knew one of DA or Frye had to go or Quinn would have no time for development. Frye drew trade ops and DA didn't, he would have have to been released. Hence, the decision to trade Frye. Phillip has a presser that Lums will be happy to post for you to prove this.

Greythan

BQ has 7 games to prove his worth and whether or not he stays or goes, nothing is over yet and we are losing and lost to a horrible defense.

Will you be able to get past your total bias against Quinn to actually cheer for the team tonight?

It seems awful personal for you.

ATENEARS

Oh stop with all your silliness.

I get labeled a BQ hater only because I like to take peoples words and shove them up their hyprocritical little asses. NEVER have I questioned anything about or stated anything negative/against BQ himself, except that his over-zealous fans before/after his one start may very well possiblly be homosexuals.

On the otherhand, those that DID NOT SUPPORT our previous starting QB, blamed him for everything and when they try to use those same aspects as excuses for Brady, I will just be hanging around to flick them hard in the ear, knock their books out of their hands as they pass me in the hall, and tape a kick-em sign to their back.

BTW, in regards to the topic heading, I could give a ratass what Charlie Weis thinks. He hasn't done anything that impresses on me. The Patriots rolled without him and ND didn't with him.

DTBH

Just because you can't go beyond statistics to understand INTANGIBLE factors that go into Quarterback play doesn't mean the rest of us can't. In case you were wondering, intangibles are things like intelligence, leadership, focus, decision-making, toughness, and pressure-handling. Notice that hair and facial features are no where in there.

Those things are important. They do make a difference in how an offense/team plays regardless of their actual effect on the stat sheet. DA had virtually none of those, and Brady Quinn seems, for everything we can tell, to have them. It will make a difference.

The only ones who might "possibly be homosexuals" are the ones who are still clamouring for the QB with the completion percentage in the toilet and only won by riding the coattails of his surrounding teammatees.

Not the people who want the talent on the offense to be maximized by a getting a quarterback who isn't a Retard in the starting line-up.

You are pretty tough on here though. Intimidating. Please, don't take my lunch money.

bigred

Hey look at these stats and ask yourself what game DA did this in?

10-26 103yd

38.5% comp rate

0td

1int

1fum

The pro bowl. What excuse does everbody have about this one. Can't blame the D or anybody else 0, he was with the best of the best right. He just can't hit a target. Like I said before he hits 1 out of 7 throws maybe good. He if would have played the denver game he would have thrown less than 50% and probably a back breaker pick, and still would have lost with him. Give BQ the chance. We gave DA to many chances. If BQ struggles don't go back the idiot go to dorsey then, but DA has to go.

Greythan

those that DID NOT SUPPORT our previous starting QB

Support our QB? Where's your support of Winslow? Edwards? Does support mean not wondering if the guy on the bench might not be an upgrade? You've openly made that declaration about Heiden.

DA has glaring holes in his game. He's had them forever. Some of us voiced opinions that maybe those holes were limiting enough to impede the team. I'm one of those. I have no clue what we've got in Quinn. All I know is that DA isn't and wasn't a QB worth betting a franchise on. That's the only way you sit a 1st round pick behind a guy like DA. I'm still mystified that we didn't cash DA in at his peak value. Seriously.

Even if Quinn's just as good as DA, we'd be better off having grabbed the picks this past offseason. Hindsight is 20/20 but some of us were openly concerned about DA's potential back then. Had nothing to do with Quinn.

Stated another way, if Quinn pans into another DA..... we're in the market for a QB again.

osusev

Greythan thats funny be a browns fan and root for the team, first I am a browns fan and if you look at my past posts where you and others have claimed I am a DA apologist because I keep pointing to TEAM problems and rooting for the team no anti DA..

Now I am anti BQ.... no I am pointing out hypocricy of application on criticism and perspective of BQ boosters, not anti Quinn. Anti ND and Weis yes not anit BQ.

Flugel

@lumbergh said:
Vegasdogg did you fall off the wagon again? As I correctly stated, Anderson's name is all over the "record book", .

Now you're bragging about Dumb Ass making "Ripley's Believe it or Not" record books for the most TD passes to Ratbird Defenders by an opposing QB in 1 season? God bless ya!

- Tom F. (Go Browns!!!)

Greythan

@greythan said:
I didn't correct you in that thread. Another poster did. (Inspecta? or Lemo? Not sure.)
Regardless, you never did say, "Yeah, good point. I guess comparing DA's Cincy game to Quinn's first start isn't really apples to apples." Something like that would have built your credibility. FYI.

That would be me that corrected Sev

JC

Completions - Most (23)

% Complete - Highest (65.7)

Touchdowns - Tied (1st) (2)

Yards - 3rd (239)

These are BQ stats in his first game for Browns QBing this year...rather interesting. But the real thing is how poised he looked and his ability to look off defenders. I will not get into the DA vs. BQ discussion. We should be looking forward to what BQ can do. What DA has or has not done is pointless now. Go Browns.