We're 4-11

Mark O

One thing that is impressive about this team is that we're tied for 2nd as the least penalized team in the NFL with 4.9 per game. That shows discipline, something the Raiders showed none of at the end of the half and it helped get us more points.

BUNSofSTEEL08

winning cures MANY Things !!!

kbndawg

Lewis getting hurt seemed to help this team. The o line looks so much better with a running back that hits the holes at full speed. The Browns have won three games in a row without a QB.

listercat

@kbndawg said:
Lewis getting hurt seemed to help this team. The o line looks so much better with a running back that hits the holes at full speed. The Browns have won three games in a row without a QB.

Very interesting and salient point

mopaji

I said 5-11 after 2 games and got laughed out of the room. I based it on this team eventually conforming to Mangini football. Its happening and boy do the shoe-shiners in the media hate it. WKNR has became embarrassing in their hate for Mangini.

cmac12

I dont think that it would be fair to fire him at the end of the season. The team defense has improved and of course the special teams is great. Add a few more pieces and a remotly decent QB and the team could probably compete. At least they are playing with effort and heart.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

Cris Carter Doesn't Know Shit About Anything

This just proves Cris Carter is a biased idiot.

DAWGPOUND16

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Cris Carter Doesn't Know Shit About Anything
This just proves Cris Carter is a biased idiot.

Yeah I just mentioned that.

http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9471

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@dawgpound16 said:
Yeah I just mentioned that.
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9471

Yeah, I just saw that. My bad.

Earl34

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Cris Carter Doesn't Know Shit About Anything
This just proves Cris Carter is a biased idiot.

So, according to Cris Carter, we need to start firing coaches because of body language? How about we fire him (Carter)based on the two tons of coke he snorted in the 80s??

Spoken like a true moron.

I don't know if Eric Mangini will get another year and I won't act surprised if he doesn't. What I will not turn my back on, however, is the fact that this team has won three in a row and has clawed and fought its way to each victory. If the players in the lockerroom have bought in...then I don't see why I should be any different. If they win next week then there's going to be one hell of a decision on Mike Holmgren's plate.

Alo

@earl34 said:
So, according to Cris Carter, we need to start firing coaches because of body language? How about we fire him (Carter)based on the two tons of coke he snorted in the 80s??

Very classy.

For what it's worth, Mike Holmgren considers body language an important aspect of the game. On his radio show, he talked about how his first piece of coaching advice to Jeff George was to smile more often.

roach

@mopaji said:
I said 5-11 after 2 games and got laughed out of the room. I based it on this team eventually conforming to Mangini football. Its happening and boy do the shoe-shiners in the media hate it. WKNR has became embarrassing in their hate for Mangini.

Agreed about WKNR. Do they think the anti-Mangini crap is endearing them to the fans? i thought that local sports was their business? i can they not have a pulse on how Browns fans feel?

BTW, i wasn't one of the guys laughing you out of the room. i predicted that we wouldn't win more than 11 games, and i'm sticking to it. There are so few of us that will own up to our original predictions.

Brownsfan_Althaus

woooo for being 4 - 11

steel88

@kbndawg said:
Lewis getting hurt seemed to help this team. The o line looks so much better with a running back that hits the holes at full speed. The Browns have won three games in a row without a QB.

To add on to this point does anyone else find it interesting how this played out? I mean isnt it possible the reason J-lew started acting out was because he knew he was about to lose his starting role? I think what happened was that Mangini brought it up to him and the "consumate professional" got a little pissed about I and went to the media. When mangini realized that jamal wouldnt step down gracefully placed him on the IR with "post concussion symptoms". Im just spit ballin' here but it makes sense to me.

jrb12711

Dawgfanforever88 said:
We're 4-11 weve won as many games this year as we did last year with far crappier players. you know what that means?
COACHING COACHING COACHING COACHING!

Ive said it before mangini and his staff are doing this thing right...hell even daboll is looking good.

couldn't agree more. Think about it objectively and not as a browns fan. Mangini is on the cusp (and in my opinion will) end up with a better record then last season. He is dealing with much less talent, and rookie players at many key positions. It's obvious looking from the outside in that Mangini has to be doing something right. Heck despite it being a losing season this is only the 2nd time we've won three straight games since we got the team back. I've seen something in the team the past three games i've been waiting for for years. Guys going out there and playing their hearts out from start to finish. Now imagine if the games matter (we can hope haha).

I'd be very upset with Holmgren if he lets him go.

dwimdawg

I would be disappointed as well... Coaches has to have more than one season to steer the team in a positive direction and no coaches should have only one seaon... just wouldn't be fair... and now, if Mangini loses his job, it won't seem right and I would hate the thought of starting all over once again...

dj_illness

Dawgfanforever88 said:
To add on to this point does anyone else find it interesting how this played out? I mean isnt it possible the reason J-lew started acting out was because he knew he was about to lose his starting role? I think what happened was that Mangini brought it up to him and the "consumate professional" got a little pissed about I and went to the media. When mangini realized that jamal wouldnt step down gracefully placed him on the IR with "post concussion symptoms". Im just spit ballin' here but it makes sense to me.

doubtful. Mangini had no problem axeing guys who couldn't make the cut.

why the hell wouldn't he sit Lewis earlier?

the only reasons would be Harrison's bad blocking and smart politics on Mangini's account.

dj_illness

side note: where will 5-11 put us draft wise?

anyone got numbers on it?

I know we'd be tied with Buffalo's record if they lose.

I'm guessing the neighborhood of pick 5-11?

not a bad place to be.

dj_illness

since it's late, I'll answer my own question.

as of now:

1. Rams (1 win)

2. Lions (2 wins)

3. Bucs (3 wins)

3. Chiefs

5. Redskins (4 wins)

Browns

7. Seahawks (5 wins)

Raiders

Bills

Bears (assuming they lose to vikings)

Gips

I liked mangini then hated mangini and now am neutral but dont really trust or like his "process or system"..however i honestly believe with 4 wins he has earned the right to stay another year we can see the big picture now(no thanks to mangini) himself.. but the problem and likely fact is mike may truly want to blow things up and start again in his own graven image and im all for that as well..

If mangini is forced to leave because of differences in philosophies and technique at least we can rest assured he has done well enough that he will coach again...but i would advise him not to bring daboll onboard wherever he goes..