Troy Smith Requests Trade

kosar_win

@bigbrownsfan said:
No thanks. Great kid. Great ethic. Just not great in big games....... save one or so.....
Love the kid to death. But just not NFL ready.....

I was thinking of him more as a diverse player who works hard. Like Cribbs, who played QB in college, he could probably be a strong player in another position like Tight End. Thoughts?

Riffer X

Go bring Troy in here, there is a good chance he's better than Queen and since he can actually throw a football accurately he is obviously better than Dexter.

This guy would have started last year for Bmore if he hadn't gotten sick. Could be a whole different ballgame.

choco

@kosar_win said:
I was thinking of him more as a diverse player who works hard. Like Cribbs, who played QB in college, he could probably be a strong player in another position like Tight End. Thoughts?

i'd agree with BBF as well....he never really excelled as a QB when the heat was on.....

the TE idea might work, he's got some size and is a pretty tough kid. being a QB by trade, he may be an unwilling blocker tough.....

yosemitejam

@kosar_win said:
I was thinking of him more as a diverse player who works hard. Like Cribbs, who played QB in college, he could probably be a strong player in another position like Tight End. Thoughts?

Let some other team experiment turning a 6 foot tall, marginal QB into a competitive pro TE..

Me thinks the Browns have bigger nuts to crack...

kosar_win

@riffer-x said:
This guy would have started last year for Bmore if he hadn't gotten sick. Could be a whole different ballgame.

Just curious - are you suggesting that Baltimore would be a whole lot better or a whole lot worse with Troy at the helm?

Or are you merely suggesting that Troy would have changed the Ravens offense completely - having a dual threat on the ground and in the air?

trodgers

@riffer-x said:
Go bring Troy in here, there is a good chance he's better than Queen and since he can actually throw a football accurately he is obviously better than Dexter.

Agreed. His 53.6 completion percent is ELITE. Dude flat out can kill a defense in so many ways.

Thaak

I'd like to see Troy in Orange and Brown, only if we don't have to give up more than DA and/or BQ to get him.

BrownIndian

pass. Instead of going for unknowns, I would prefer someone like Chad Pennington or Kerry Collins or Kevin Kolb. It is bad enough we are splitting hairs with 2 ave QB, why add 1 more to the confusion ?

Riffer X

@trodgers said:
Agreed. His 53.6 completion percent is ELITE. Dude flat out can kill a defense in so many ways.

I think it's cute when guys take very few attempts to base stats on like it's a given. If 76 attempts is enough for you to form an opinion on someone's accuracy pal then maybe football is not the sport for you. Now if you just think the guy isn't accurate, just say it. You'd be wrong, but at least you wouldn't be using a measly 76 attempts as your basis.

next2nothing

@brownindian said:
pass. Instead of going for unknowns, I would prefer someone like Chad Pennington or Kerry Collins or Kevin Kolb. It is bad enough we are splitting hairs with 2 ave QB, why add 1 more to the confusion ?

No on Pennington and Collins. Kolb would be worth the look but is he really any more of an unknown then Troy Smith? Kolb is pretty much in the same boat as Smith.

Kolb Stats

Passing

Year G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate

2009 5 96 62 64.6 19.2 741 7.7 148.2 4 4.2 3 3.1 71T 8 3 3 27 88.9

2008 6 34 17 50.0 5.7 144 4.2 24.0 0 0.0 4 11.8 16 0 0 0 0 21.8

2007 1 0 0 -- 0.0 0 -- 0.0 0 -- 0 -- -- 0 0 2 13 0.0

TOTAL 12 130 79 60.8 10.8 885 6.8 73.8 4 3.1 7 5.4 71 8 3 5 40 68.9

Smith Stats

Passing

Year G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate

2009 4 9 5 55.6 2.2 24 2.7 6.0 0 0.0 1 11.1 9 0 0 0 0 21.3

2008 6 4 3 75.0 0.7 82 20.5 13.7 1 25.0 0 0.0 43 2 1 1 1 156.2

2007 4 76 40 52.6 19.0 452 5.9 113.0 2 2.6 0 0.0 79T 1 1 4 29 79.5

TOTAL 14 89 48 53.9 6.4 558 6.3 39.9 3 3.4 1 1.1 79 3 2 5 30 79.7

I'm not saying Troy is gonna be a future HoF'er but why not bring him in and let him compete?

rich4eagle

@bigbrownsfan said:
I'm the biggest PSU homer on here....
And I say....

No thanks. Great kid. Great ethic. Just not great in big games....... save one or so.....

Love the kid to death. But just not NFL ready.....

And as for Troy Smith... even a bigger HELL NO. He won a Heisman. Big deal. So did Charlie Ward. And Eric Crouch. And Gino Toretta. End of story....

Daryll Clark is not an NFL QB. Troy won every big game he played in except ONE. He needs to be given a chance, and yes Drew Brees is the same height as Troy Smith and Anderson is six inches taller and Quinn is five inches taller and they both stink

Flugel

@chip-banks said:
Troy Smith has a Heisman and is undefeated in his lifetime starts against Michigan and the Steelers. I'm not gonna hate on him.
I'm actually one of the few people who think he can be a serviceable NFL QB. He throws a nice deep ball and has some touch.

But Troy, you were a 5th round draft pick who hasn't shown anything at the NFL level. You might shred the Ravens on the scout team, but nobody has film of that and the only evidence we have of that is your boy Suggs' statements. Keep your head down, work hard and wait for your Matt Moore moment.

Good points C-Banks!

Believe it or not, I wanted us to DRAFT Troy because I thought he was the best QB in that draft. Still do. I was relieved we didn't go Quinn with our 3rd overall pick; BUT I thought getting him where we got him at the time was a nice move. I was wrong.

I don't want us to spend TOO MUCH time dotting i's and crossign t's if we're not seeign enough signs or flashes. It took us forever to come to grips that Phipps was a bust so by the time we looked to the inexpensive Sipe - we had ZERO to lose by giving him a chance. That's kind of what I think about giving Troy a chance. Remember, last year Harbaugh was excited when he thought he was going to be able to start the season with Troy as HIS starter. I heard the intewrview on ESPN about 3-4 day before Troy came down with the throat infection that put him out of practice for a month.

I'm sure SOME of this is me being an Ohio State HOMER; but there's my favorite player since Archie Griffen and Orlando Pace for good reason. Like Sipe, maybe he just awaits the right time and place. How about his home town?

- Tom F.

Flugel

@rich4eagle said:
Daryll Clark is not an NFL QB. Troy won every big game he played in except ONE. He needs to be given a chance, and yes Drew Brees is the same height as Troy Smith and Anderson is six inches taller and Quinn is five inches taller and they both stink

I don't think it can be said any better than that! Good job Rich!

- Tom F.

trodgers

@riffer-x said:
I think it's cute when guys take very few attempts to base stats on like it's a given. If 76 attempts is enough for you to form an opinion on someone's accuracy pal then maybe football is not the sport for you. Now if you just think the guy isn't accurate, just say it. You'd be wrong, but at least you wouldn't be using a measly 76 attempts as your basis.

Are we going to look at the college stats? Or what? Because remember: the Quinn haters will tell you that college doesn't count.

For the record: no, I don't think he's accurate. I think he is not an NFL QB and never was. I think he was an overrated college QB, too. I watched him play in college. That's where I'm forming my opinions from.

hammertime

Zombo said:
Troy smith blows just like everybody else in the 2007 draft. Worst year to draft a QB ever.
2007 1 1 1 1 JaMarcus Russell Raiders Louisiana State

2 1 22 22 Brady Quinn Browns Notre Dame

3 2 4 36 Kevin Kolb Eagles Houston

4 2 8 40 John Beck Dolphins Brigham Young

5 2 11 43 Drew Stanton Lions Michigan State

6 3 29 92 Trent Edwards Bills Stanford

7 4 4 103 Isaiah Stanback Cowboys Washington

8 5 14 151 Jeff Rowe Bengals Nevada

9 5 37 174 Troy Smith Ravens Ohio State

10 6 31 205 Jordan Palmer Redskins Texas-El Paso

11 7 7 217 Tyler Thigpen Vikings Coastal Carolina

Does anything on that menu look appetizing?

Zombo

looks like this years qb will challenge that prestige. maybe 1 good one coming out that can be an impact player.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

Zombo said:
Troy smith blows just like everybody else in the 2007 draft. Worst year to draft a QB ever.
2007 1 1 1 1 JaMarcus Russell Raiders Louisiana State

2 1 22 22 Brady Quinn Browns Notre Dame

3 2 4 36 Kevin Kolb Eagles Houston

4 2 8 40 John Beck Dolphins Brigham Young

5 2 11 43 Drew Stanton Lions Michigan State

6 3 29 92 Trent Edwards Bills Stanford

7 4 4 103 Isaiah Stanback Cowboys Washington

8 5 14 151 Jeff Rowe Bengals Nevada

9 5 37 174 Troy Smith Ravens Ohio State

10 6 31 205 Jordan Palmer Redskins Texas-El Paso

11 7 7 217 Tyler Thigpen Vikings Coastal Carolina

Does anything on that menu look appetizing?

Zombo

You watch your mouth. Thigpen is a saint, he's just getting a bad wrap. You know you're a good QB when Tony Gonzalez goes on record saying he'd rather be traded than play with a different QB.

Riffer X

Well it's a consensus that Troy Smith blows then. 2 Penn State guys on this thread confirm this so that's all you need.

It's a fact.

Flugel

Zombo said:
Troy smith blows just like everybody else in the 2007 draft. Worst year to draft a QB ever.
2007 1 1 1 1 JaMarcus Russell Raiders Louisiana State

2 1 22 22 Brady Quinn Browns Notre Dame

3 2 4 36 Kevin Kolb Eagles Houston

4 2 8 40 John Beck Dolphins Brigham Young

5 2 11 43 Drew Stanton Lions Michigan State

6 3 29 92 Trent Edwards Bills Stanford

7 4 4 103 Isaiah Stanback Cowboys Washington

8 5 14 151 Jeff Rowe Bengals Nevada

9 5 37 174 Troy Smith Ravens Ohio State

10 6 31 205 Jordan Palmer Redskins Texas-El Paso

11 7 7 217 Tyler Thigpen Vikings Coastal Carolina

Does anything on that menu look appetizing?

Zombo

I understand alot of people prolly think this way about Troy Smith; and you pegged that QB class pretty good Z. The thing is we're paying lobster prices for articificial crab at QB right now. We've done this before with Mike Phipps when we looked at this menu you speak of and read Brian Sipe is the price of a 13th round draft pick because he's only 6' tall with rumors of a weak arm. Meanwhile we paid lobster prices and traded Paul Warfield for the opportunity to draft Mike Phipps at #3 overall because he had a strong arm and prototypical size. It felt like we stayed stuck on pause with that philosophy for way too long when all along the best bang for the buck on that menu was clearly Brian Sipe. If Sipe never got his chance - we would have missed some pretty FUN history. The reality is things got so bad we had ZERO to lose turning to the later round pick awaiting his first chance. He woulda been just as unknown as Troy Smith, who BEAT Pittsburgh in his first start fwiw. My take is he won't cost much so there's not much to lose in having him return home to compete with whichever 40% passer we decide to retain.

- Tom F.

Thaak

I looked up Smith's college stats.

He was 420 of 670 for a 62.7 completion percentage. He started with 55 and increased to 62 in his 2nd year as starter, then to 65.

He threw for 5,720 yards and 54 TDS.

He rushed for 1154 yards, but his last season when his completion percentage was over 65, he only rushed for 204 yards, which means he was growing into more of a traditional passing QB. He rushed for 14 TDS making his total TDs at 68.

His second season he was 16 passing TDs to 11 rushing. His last season he was 30 passing TDS to 1 rushing.

So he CAN do it on his feet, but he showed remarkable growth during his time at OSU.

I actually like these types of QBs coming out of college over the guys that seem to have maxed their potential.

Riffer X

Smith can play. He can throw and has a pretty good arm, can run and has a good command of the game from his Jimmy T tutelage.

Really, anybody that watched him every week at OSU knows this, but you have PSU fans and others that basically judge him from the Florida game. He did beat PSU's ass BTW.