I'm not sure why anyone cares..  His acceptance speech would be in line with the Ricky Henderson babbling after he broke Lou Brock's record.  "TODAY I AM THE GREATEST"

He's not going because it took him three years to be elected because he was a jackass to the media.  And yes, he's a jackass.  And no, I don't think it should have delayed his entry into the hall. It's kinda like the "first ballot" baseball guys who won't vote for someone in the first year because they think they're deserving but not FIRST BALLOT OMG.

@dutch-oven said:

Where have you gone, Ryan Pontbriand, Browns nation turns its lonely eyes to you, ooh ooh ooh. 

I'll still never forget the year that LeCharles got hurt and that jackass from WKNR actually wondered why they weren't using Pontbriand as the center...

He should have jumped in when it was cold.  What the hell kind of "punishment" is this?

@the-gipper said:

Here are some questions all about former Browns first round draft picks.   Name the player(s) involved. 

3. The last Browns first round pick to make the Hall of Fame

Newsome?

4. The first Browns first round pick to make the HOF  (remember, they started drafting in 1950)

Jim Brown?

6. The Browns first round pick to have played the most games in the NFL

Clay Matthews?

7. The Browns first round pick that was named to the most  AP  All Pro First Teams.

Jim Brown again?

8. The Browns first round pick that was named to the most Pro Bowls.

Joe Thomas?

9. The Browns first round pick  Quarterback who had the best winning record.

Tim Couch?

10. The Browns first round pick QB with the most passing yards and most TDs

Phipps or Couch?

12. The Browns drafted a player in the first round that has the same last name as an NFL city.   Name him.

Jim Houston?

1.  Who is he best Browns player ever that is not in the HOF?  (and whom you think deserves to be in)

Clay Matthews without a doubt

2. Who is the best Active QB to not have won a Super Bowl?

Career Wise - Phillip Rivers

Current Talent - Matt Ryan

3. Who is the best coach in history to have never won a Championship?  

Andy Reid

4. What is the best team in history to have never really received recognition as a great dynasty...or who fell just short of dynasty status?

Buffalo Bills, four straight losses make them laughing stocks but those were some great teams

5. A. What is the one or two  best "tourist attractions"....in the USA that you have  not been to but want to go.

Mount Rushmore

B. Same question...except include the entire world.

Stonehenge

CBS Top 10 Available
84. Justin Lawler, DE, SMU
85. Ito Smith, RB, Southern Miss
111. Darious Williams, CB, UAB
116. Jason Cabinda, ILB, Penn St.
122. Coleman Shelton, C, Washington
124. Travin Howard, OLB, TCU
125. Jester Weah, WR, Pitt
128. Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon
130. Poona Ford, DT, Texas
133. Trevon Young, DE, Louisville

ESPN Top 10 Available
93. Michael Dickson, P, Texas
111. Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon
134. Danny Johnson, CB, Southern
135. Michael Joseph, CB, Dubuque
136. D'Montre Wade, CB, Murray St.
147. Kurt Benkert, QB, Virginia
152. Kendall Joseph, LB, Clemson
154. Dominik Sanders, S, Georgia
159. Toby Weathersby, OT, LSU
162. Daylon Mack, DT, Texas A&M

Avg. Top 10 Available
119.5 - Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon
152.5 - Darius Phillips, CB, Western Michigan
158.0 - Justin Lawler, DE, SMU
159.5 - Jeremy Reaves, FS, Southern Alabama
160.5 - Trevon Young, DE, Louisville
164.0 - Trey Quinn, WR, SMU
168.0 - Brian Allen, C, Michigan St.
176.5 - Poona Ford, DT, Texas
176.5 - Jason Cabinda, ILB, Penn St.
178.0 - Jester Weah, WR, Pitt

@tour2ma said:

Although I'm often wrong about my own predictions, my b.o i. always cautioned me that what he'd tell me in terms of rumors has a chance of being misinformation put out by other teams to hide their true intentions. However, the vast majority of things he told me that I posted on this forum came true.

For example, for those people that actually paid attention to my posts on the old forum before last year's draft, you'd remember that based on what my b.o.i. heard at the combine I posted "the Bears will look to trade up for Trubisky with either the Browns at 1 or San Fran at 2." At the time, only 3 people responded to that post.

I also posted that "Sashi Brown was seen twice via my b.o.i.'s team spycraft department, 1st with Rick Smith of the Texans, and 2nd with Ryan Pace of the Bears at a private membership only room at a Wine & Cigar lounge in Indy" and... "Dont be surprised if we trade one of our picks to the Bears or Texans." That post received 2 responses and came true regarding the draft.

Teams have 10s and even 100s of thousands of dollar budget for their "spycraft" depts that includes things you wouldnt even believe all in order to propel the interests of their million dollar cash cows.

Here's where I checked out mentally.  "I know a guy.  A guy says this.  I was right about this last year.  No one believed me.  Only three people posted.  My guy knows things.  I know this because of that.  I don't want to name drop, but I'm totally going to sorta name drop about just enough that you can't track it down.   But no one wants to listen to me.  But even my predictions are going to be so vague that no matter who they draft I can twist it to make it seem like what I said was accurate.  The only real thing I'm going to have a hard time defending is if they do draft Darnold but I left myself outs there too."
 

Look maybe the guy is legit.  I doubt it.  I doubt a fired personnel guy has quite that much insight and is just telling his brother in law things off the cuff.  This screams fanfiction, look at me, I want to feel important too type of garbage.

@unsympathetic said:

Fun to see the variety of ratings outside the first round.. I can show you 3 places that have Lawler with a 7/FA rating but he's the best available at CBS..

Yeah I had to limit my lists to two based on time and energy.  Copy/paste isn't good enough into my spreadsheets.  In previous years I've had as many as 6 different inputs which was fun using pivot tables and different other fun Excel formulas.  I just don't have the time and energy to put into it.

CBS Top 10 Available
84. Justin Lawler, DE, SMU
85. Ito Smith, RB, Southern Miss
94. Levi Wallace, CB, Alabama
104. Will Clapp, C, LSU
111. Darious Williams, CB, UAB
115. Rashaan Gaulden, CB, Tennessee
116. Jason Cabinda, ILB, Penn St.
117. Kylie Fitts, DE, Utah
122. Coleman Shelton, C, Washington
124. Travin Howard, OLB, TCU

ESPN Top 10 Available
93. Michael Dickson, P, Texas
109. Matt Pryor, OT, TCU
110. Taron Johnson, CB, Weber St.
111. Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon
123. Justin Jones, DT, NC State
134. Danny Johnson, CB, Southern
135. Michael Joseph, CB, Dubuque
136. D'Montre Wade, CB, Murray St.
138. Nick DeLuca, ILB, N. Dakota St.
147. Kurt Benkert, QB, Virginia

Avg. Top 10 Available
119.5 - Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon
128.5 - Will Clapp, C, LSU
137.0 - Kylie Fitts, DE, Utah
142.5 - Justin Jones, DT, NC State
145.5 - Rashaan Gaulden, CB, Tennessee
149.5 - Levi Wallace, CB, Alabama
152.5 - Darius Phillips, CB, Western Michigan
155.0 - John Kelly, RB, Tennessee
158.0 - Justin Lawler, DE, SMU
159.5 - Jeremy Reaves, FS, Southern Alabama
 

Cincinnati selects Deadrin Senat, DT, South Florida

I lost my spreadsheet and had to start from a previous version.  So if I missed some people please let me know as I post the top 10 available.

CBS Top 10 Available
84. Justin Lawler, DE, SMU
85. Ito Smith, RB, Southern Miss
93. Oren Burks, LB, Vanderbilt
94. Levi Wallace, CB, Alabama
104. Will Clapp, C, LSU
110. Breeland Sparks, DE, Ole Miss
111. Darious Williams, CB, UAB
115. Rashaan Gaulden, CB, Tennessee
116. Jason Cabinda, LB, Penn St.
117. Kylie Fitts, DE, Utah

ESPN Top 10 Available
93. Michael Dickson, P, Texas
98. J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland
100. Hercules Mata'afa, DE, Washington St.
105. Deadrin Senat, DT, South Florida
109. Matt Pryor, OT, TCU
110. Taron Johnson, CB, Weber St.
111. Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon
123. Justin Jones, DT, NC State
128. Wyatt Teller, OG, Virginia Tech
134. Danny Johnson, CB, Southern

Average Top 10 Available (ESPN & CBS)
119.5 - Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon
127.5 - Wyatt Teller, OG, Virginia Tech
128.5 - Will Clapp, C, LSU
130.5 - Deadrin Senat, DT, South Florida
136.0 - Hercules Mata'afa, DE, Washington St.
137.0 - Kylie Fitts, DE, Utah
142.5 - Justin Jones, DT, NC State
145.5 - Rashaan Gaulden, CB, Tennessee
149.5 - Levi Wallace, CB, Alabama
152.5 - Darius Phillips, CB, Western Michigan

CBS Top 10 Available
66. Kameron Kelly, CB, San Diego St.
77. Chad Thomas, DE, Miami (FL)
84. Justin Lawler, DE, SMU
85. Ito Smith, RB, Southern Miss
93. Oren Burks, LB, Vanderbilt
94. Levi Wallace, CB, Alabama
97. Mark Walton, RB, Miami (FL)
104. Will Clapp, C, LSU
110. Breeland Sparks, DE, Ole Miss
111. Darious Williams, CB, UAB

ESPN Top 10 Available
93. Michael Dickson, P, Texas
98. J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland
100. Hercules Mata'afa, DE, Washington St.
105. Deadrin Senat, DT, South Florida
109. Matt Pryor, OT, TCU
110. Taron Johnson, CB, Weber St.
111. Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon
123. Justin Jones, DT, NC State
125. Mark Walton, RB, Miami (FL)
126. Tavarus McFadden, CB, Florida St.

Average Top 10 Available (ESPN & CBS)
111.0 - Mark Walton, RB, Miami (FL)
114.0 - Chad Thomas, DE, Miami (FL)
119.5 - Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon
127.5 - Wyatt Teller, OG, Virginia Tech
128.5 - Will Clapp, C, LSU
130.5 - Deadrin Senat, DT, South Florida
136.0 - Hercules Mata'afa, DE, Washington St.
137.0 - Kylie Fitts, DE, Utah
138.5 - Kameron Kelly, CB, San Diego St.
141.5 - Josh Adams, RB, Notre Dame

Cincinnati selects, Kyzir White, CB, West Virginia

CBS Top 10 Available
66. Kameron Kelly, CB, San Diego St.
77. Chad Thomas, DE, Miami (FL)
80. R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami (FL)
84. Justin Lawler, DE, SMU
85. Ito Smith, RB, Southern Miss
86. D.J. Reed, CB, Kansas St.
88. Quenton Meeks, CB, Stanford
91. DeShon Elliott, SS, Texas
92. Jaleel Scott, WR, New Mexico St.
93. Oren Burks, LB, Vanderbilt

ESPN Top 10 Available
82. Jalyn Holmes, DE, Ohio St.
84. R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami (FL)
93. Michael Dickson, P, Texas
97. Andrew Brown, DE, Virginia
98. J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland
100. Hercules Mata'afa, DE, Washington St.
101. Kyzir White, CB, West Virginia
105. Deadrin Senat, DT, South Florida
109. Matt Pryor, OT, TCU
110. Taron Johnson, CB, Weber St.

Average Top 10 Available (ESPN & CBS)
82.0 - R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami (FL)
110.0 - Will Richardson, OT, NC State
110.5 - Allen Lazard, WR, Iowa St.
111.0 - Kyzir White, CB, West Virginia
111.0 - Mark Walton, RB, Miami (FL)
114.0 - Chad Thomas, DE, Miami (FL)
119.5 - Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon
123.0 - Andrew Brown, DE, Virginia
127.5 - Wyatt Teller, OG, Virginia Tech
128.0 - Jalyn Holmes, DE, Ohio St.

CBS Top 10 Available
66. Kameron Kelly, CB, San Diego St.
77. Chad Thomas, DE, Miami (FL)
80. R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami (FL)
84. Justin Lawler, DE, SMU
85. Ito Smith, RB, Southern Miss
86. D.J. Reed, CB, Kansas St.
88. Quenton Meeks, CB, Stanford
91. DeShon Elliott, SS, Texas
92. Jaleel Scott, WR, New Mexico St.
93. Oren Burks, LB, Vanderbilt

ESPN Top 10 Available
80. Nathan Shepherd, DT, Fort Hays St.
82. Jalyn Holmes, DE, Ohio St.
84. R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami (FL)
85. Bo Scarbrough, RB, Alabama
90. Jordan Akins, TE, UCF
93. Michael Dickson, P, Texas
97. Andrew Brown, DE, Virginia
98. J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland
100. Hercules Mata'afa, DE, Washington St.
101. Kyzir White, CB, West Virginia

Average Top 10 Available (ESPN & CBS)
82.0 - R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami (FL)
92.5 - Nathan Shepherd, DT, Fort Hays State
110.0 - Will Richardson, OT, NC State
110.5 - Allen Lazard, WR, Iowa St.
111.0 - Kyzir White, CB, West Virginia
111.0 - Mark Walton, RB, Miami (FL)
114.0 - Chad Thomas, DE, Miami (FL)
119.5 - Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon
119.5 - Cedric Wilson, WR, Boise St.
123.0 - Andrew Brown, DE, Virginia

Well I suck.  WIll update now.

CBS Top 10 Available
66. Kameron Kelly, CB, San Diego St.
71. Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma
77. Chad Thomas, DE, Miami (FL)
80. R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami (FL)
84. Justin Lawler, DE, SMU
85. Ito Smith, RB, Southern Miss
86. D.J. Reed, CB, Kansas St.
88. Quenton Meeks, CB, Stanford
90. B.J. Hill, DT, NC State
91. DeShon Elliott, SS, Texas

ESPN Top 10 Available
66. B.J. Hill, DT, NC State
80. Nathan Shepherd, DT, Fort Hays St.
82. Jalyn Holmes, DE, Ohio St.
84. R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami (FL)
85. Bo Scarbrough, RB, Alabama
87. Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma
90. Jordan Akins, TE, UCF
93. Michael Dickson, P, Texas
97. Andrew Brown, DE, Virginia
98. J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland

Average Top 10 (11 because of tie) Available (ESPN & CBS)
78.0 - B.J. Hill, DT, NC State
79.0 - Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma
82.0 - R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami (FL)
92.5 - Nathan Shepherd, DT, Fort Hays State
110.0 - Will Richardson, OT, NC State
110.5 - Allen Lazard, WR, Iowa St.
111.0 - Kyzir White, CB, West Virginia
111.0 - Mark Walton, RB, Miami (FL)
114.0 - Chad Thomas, DE, Miami (FL)
119.5 - Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon
119.5 - Cedric Wilson, WR, Boise St.

Sorry was at a concert last night.

Miami Dolphins select Tre'Quan Smith, WR, UCF

CBS Top 10 Available
64. Tre'Quan Smith, WR, UCF
66. Kameron Kelly, CB, San Diego St.
71. Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma
77. Chad Thomas, DE, Miami (FL)
80. R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami (FL)
83. Jamarco Jones, OT, Ohio St.
84. Justin Lawler, DE, SMU
85. Ito Smith, RB, Southern Miss
86. D.J. Reed, CB, Kansas St.
88. Quenton Meeks, CB, Stanford

ESPN Top 10 Available
66. B.J. Hill, DT, NC State
80. Nathan Shepherd, DT, Fort Hays St.
81. Deo Cain, WR, Clemson
82. Jalyn Holmes, DE, Ohio St.
84. R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami (FL)
85. Bo Scarbrough, RB, Alabama
87. Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma
90. Jordan Akins, TE, UCF
93. Michael Dickson, P, Texas
95. Mason Cole, C, Michigan

Average Top 10 (11 because of tie) Available (ESPN & CBS)
78.0 - B.J. Hill, DT, NC State
79.0 - Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma
82.0 - R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami (FL)
92.5 - Nathan Shepherd, DT, Fort Hays State
100.5 - Jamarco Jones, OT, Ohio St.
102.0 - Deon Cain, WR, Clemson
106.5 - Tre'Quan Smith, WR, UCF
110.0 - Will Richardson, OT, NC State
110.5 - Allen Lazard, WR, Iowa St.
111.0 - Kyzir White, CB, West Virginia
111.0 - Mark Walton, RB, Miami (FL)

Miami Dolphins select Jeff Holland, DE, Auburn