@the-gipper said:

A few  things:

A.  Bill Belichick was not fired as the coach of the Cleveland Browns franchise.  He was fired as coach of the Baltimore Modell  (unnamed as yet)  franchise.  That is a fact.

B.   The other guys you mention,  Noll, Walsh, Johnson.....had shit for talent on the rosters they inherited...and they had a big hand in bringing the talent and devolping it during the first few years of their existence.    It was clearly evident with those guys, that despite their losing records that they knew what they were doing.    The same is not true here. It has been clearly evident that the guys we have dumped deserved to be dumped...and they were not ultimately qualified.

C. You mention the vast minority of situations.   4 coaches in the last  50 years have accomplished what you claim.    That means hundreds have not.  Building a system is great....if you have the product to build that system with.....and that product comes around very rarely. Those guys are the vast exception to the rule...NOT the norm.  Do you want the names of those  100+ other coaches that didn't do a thing? 

Exactly, since the browns come back in 99 how many these coaches that got fired went on to be anything like the one's he mentioned? How many chances we give these coaches isn't the problem. The problem is the one's we hired to start with. 

After watch the replay. Anything more then 2 game suspension is to much. He asked for and he got it. 

There was no flag for late hit. Rudolph out of frustration tears Garrett's helmet off. Yes off, watched it in slow motion. Its comes all but clean off and snaps back on. You can see the side of his face with no helmet. 

Garrett was just doing exactly what was done to him. Its should of ended there but Rudolph acting as a violent aggressor (playing tough guy) wouldn't let it go.

Todays helmets are very light. Be lucky if it weighs much more then 4 pounds with most of the weight being the grill and padding. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a mark on him.

He took a direct hit to the top of the head and wasn't fazed in the slightest. He is lucky Garrett didn't hit him with his fist because he wouldn't of been standing.

This weapon talk is a over reaction. 

@clevfan4life said:

@canton-mike said:

I vaguely remember it & it seems it was in one of his 1st 2-3 years. Either he won it or won the accuracy part.

Mike

I think your right. Soon as I read your post I had a flash back. Also it would of been a little later then you were thinking. Bernie was a rookie in 85 and I was thinking it was 91 or 92. The only thing I could find on it was a list of winners. First QB challenge was 90 and Marino won 91 and 92. Bernie wasn't on the list. Can't believe there was no video. I owe my friend an apology plus never hear the end of it   ?

I have a question and can't find any history thread. My apologies in advance. Does anyone remember Bernie Kosar winning the Quarterback challenge. Beating Joe Montana and Dan Marino. If so how come I can't find anything about it? Help stop the argument between to old friends. 

@diehardbrownsfan said:

You comparing Belichick to Hue?  lmao.

No. Just saying if he was I doubt we would see it. 

@browns149 said:

A new attitude is great. But having the worst coach in NFL history will beat that

We all said that about Belichick. 

Top 10 player no but top 10 guard yes. If Kyrie had Kobe Jordan size he would be top 3-4 player because let's be for real here Irving is a SG in a PG's body. Skill wise he is off the charts

@mjp28 said:

You always have a supporting cast that enables the superstar to collect rings PLUS SOMETIMES JUST SOME LUCK or else you have the greats that are always the "what ifs", Jim Kelly, Marino, LT, Ewing, Fouts, Ted Williams just off the top of my head.

MJ also had Pippin and the vastly overlooked Dennis Rodman tattoos and all.

spot on both of you. Jackson arguably greatest coach ever and Rodman was huge for them. It was Rodman beating up the Bulls first in Detroit, We have the poor man's Rodman in Thomson. Got to love guys with strong motor

@calfoxwc said:

Kyrie is amazing - the most amazing player in the NBA, I guess. He is that amazing.

some of the stuff he does...

I've never seen before - anywhere.

GO CAVS !!!!

+1

You can add Jordan's team won 55 games without him. Can you see what this Cavs team would do if they could win 55 games without LeBron? They didn't win 55 games with him. My dream team Magic Jordan LeBron Bird Kareem

Imo LeBron and Durant match up decides the series. Durant had the highest production and his opponents had the teams lowest production allowed. His on court off court was night and day. GS lost key players to obtain Durant. They are not the same team without him. Their only skid this year was without him. LeBron has owned Durant his entire career

Curry is the greatest shooter I've ever seen but lacks super athlete ability and kyrie is a perfect match. Fast enough to not be exposed on D and skilled enough to score on him.

If GS chooses again to not let Love beat them and live with the out come we win this series in 6. He is the one player they can control and outcome will be bad for GS. The sacrifice will come at a great cost. The floor will stay spread and LeBron and Kyrie own them inside

Just want to be on record saying it.

@gumby73 said:

We got this..The Celts long haul to get here has left them with no legs. shows up in their wide open shooting percentages..When we get to GS our shot pressure must get better. but damn that's all I can see missing? But holding any team to mid 20's thru 1st half..that's a lot of missed shots or a better defense than I can see?

I seen them show the highlights of wide open 3s being missed and there were some but watching the game the D on the perimeter over all was fantastic

@medicineman said:

Need Boston and Washington to force a game 7 and have Wash win that series so we get home court advantage

I prefer Boston without home court. That game we won in Washington that went into OT made me rethink who we should avoid. I know it was just regular season game but you could clearly see that night Cavs playing to win. If it wasn't for that crazy fade out of bounds 3pt bank shot by LeBron we lose. Best game all season but my heart can't take it. We win either way but IMO the least resistance is in Boston

Let's wait and see what Cavs look like now that chill mode is over before saying no repeat.

On another note Sanders clearly wasn't ready but his replacement had Cavs season high 6 block his first game. Only played 24 mins 10 rebs and had positive plus minus.

Just one game but WOW

Maybe I'm just to old for head games. This is not how it's done. What is he like 12 years old. Trade him anywhere because this type of thinking by young people is the problem with this new generation and will not bring him any success regardless where he plays.

1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th chances thanks for nothing. Best of luck to you because you need it

Like it. This is good start. Is it time for optimistic thinking yet?

Far as I'm concerned this guy owes us. Don't let him go anywhere. To much of my time rooting for him to let him off the hook. Its time to pay up. Best receiver in the league so hope he acts like it

@stinkhole said:

Bungle helmets look like a bad comb over.

lmao this place is unique. Where else can you go and see fans of other teams get roughed up by mods and posters lol. The 77Bengals into 77bunghole is classic and that comb over is an image you can't get rid of. I may never be able to look at Bengals helmet again