@playerjdd said:

We are going to be a few years away from having the chance to have a solid team. I wouldnt mind trading down a bit since we will have one of the top two picks to save some $$$. If we could land the likes of Berry from trading down it would be worth it. We need to cut ties with anderson and move forward with Quinn and draft a backup plan such as LeFevour as long as he is a later pick. I feel there is some promising rbs in the fa market such as Sproles or Caddy Williams. We really have so many gaps on this team that it cant be done in a year!! RB, RT, LB, CB, S.

Trade Down? 1 - 15 and you see us having a priority to position ourselves in the LOWER ROUNDS which GREATLY DECREASE the possibility of finding impact players? Sorry Dude but you need to smoke less weed.

Our talent level without debate is the worst in the NFL. There is not one single player on this team who if lost would impact the Browns one way or another. Not one. that Phil Savage you guys were all worshipping sure left us off well, didn't he?

Cribbs and Joe Thomas are the only players who other teams would find desirable and be willing to give up something positive to get.. The rest of the 1- 15 level players can be equalled easily and probably bettered with simple FA and walk on try out players. In fact those types of guys have more desire than the shit we have.

The only way the Browns will improve is to obtain MORE high round picks and some quality FAs. There is no future with the shit bag we have now.

I don't think any of you are so naieve to not realize that Joe Thomas will be gone in 2010. A total waste of money that added NOTHING to our offense. Still, some idiots will give up a lot for him.

Trade down? Our #1 plus Joe Thomas in exchange for a decent #1 and #2? You betcha. Same deal with Cribbs. Maybe take the high #2 we get from unloading Thomas, add that to Cribbs and turn it into a second 1st round pick.

The Browns need to purge all these high dollar lard asses and start from scatch with 2 1st round pics, a high second round and then acquire 3-4 high profile FAs when the market opens up in teh off season.

IF the Browns sell the ranch to get 3 -4 high round draft picks and 4 proven FAs, then replace all the shit we have now with aspiring players, we can move the team ahead light years, even to an 8 - 8 franchise in 2010.

Thomas, Cribbs and even fatass Shaun Dinner-Bell need to go. I can't see Quinn drawing anything more than flies.

QB, RB, WR, DB, DE then MLB. that is where the effort needs to be. At least 40 Browns players need to be fired after the season Finale.

berniesipe said:

Jim Brown would be an average back if he played nowadays

Jim Brown was 6' 2" 228 pounds, WITHOUT steroids. No NFL player today plays without steroids.

If Jim Brown played today, if he didn't take steroids would STILL be bigger and faster than 1995 era RB sensation Terell Davis who was a whopping 5 -11 and 210 pounds............. ON ROIDS. Terell never posted speed that approached the great Brown.

If Jim Brown played today he would play at 250 - 260 pounds and would be unstoppable.

It was MUCH HARDER to run the ball in 1960 than it is today. HEre is why...........

1) Hash Marks were way out to the side of the field. If a play went out of bounds the next play started from the extreme right or left of the field. The defense only had to worry about a running play coming one way, because the other way would be out of bounds.

2) Brown didn't have the lightweight equipment, high performans shoes and pristine field conditions that we have today.

3) Defensive linemen were allowed to head slap AND grab the shirt at the shoulder pads of Offensive linemen to move them our of the way. Blocking a hole out was 100 times tougher then.

4) Defenses were allowed to knock recievers on their ass within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. It was common place to see a DB bitch slap a reciever and then stuff the run before the guy could get up.

5) Many of the great players Brown ran against played in the SB era and were pro bowlersl Carl Eller and Randy White also would have been stars in 2009.

I drafted Jim Brown and also had a world championship in the 21st century. I know RBs and Brown is STILL the best who ever lived.

@dawgpound16 said:

vs Chargers 4:00 CBS

vs Steelers (Thursday Night) 8:20 NFLN

@ Chiefs 1:00 CBS

vs Raiders 1:00 CBS

vs Jaguars 1:00 CBS

I think we will beat the Chiefs and Raiders, maybe Jaguars? What do you think.

Looking at this you have to consider the Non X and O issues. Based on talent alone the Raiders and Chiefs are only marginally better than the Browns. UNfortunately by the time we play the Chiefs the Browns will be 1 - 12 and logic would tell you that if they have not given up already, by that time there is a high possibility that they would have.

In addition at 3 - 8 the Chiefs and Raiders BOTH have players and coaches who either have a chance to win a job or keep a job for 2010 with a good performance. Facing a team that is 1 - 12 should give both of these teams a higher level of motivation. By this time I can't imagine any Browns player seeing opportunity in a good performance.

Talent wise these two games might have been 55/45 in favor of the opposition, but with the other issues considered I think the Browns are on the losing side of a 75/25 probability.

Last game of the season? Jags could be in a playoff hunt, we lose this one in all likelihood.

I say the Browns take one game and finish 2 - 14