@gunz41 said:

Yes he is playing with one, and if you dont see how saying your team is going to knock it off is talking then I cant help you.

I also believe you were missing my point, no reason not to use any game to make your point, but when you only use them and state we are a different team, you imply that Cleveland isnt. 

And you lost to KC in OT, and beat Chargers, awesome. But there IS a head to head game that could be referenced, and it just didn't fit your agenda so you didn't use it.

Let's put it this way. If you had brought this same thing up, but Baltimore had won the PREVIOUS meeting 12-9, are you trying to say you wouldn't have used that game as more facts? Of course you would.

Maybe you didn't mean to come talk trash, I dont know what you are thinking. But even if inadvertently, you did. By saying a different team (like I said that comes across as saying you have improved and Cleveland hasnt) and saying you will knock chip off shoulder, that is CLEAR trash talk.

I'm sure you would have had people responding to you, but I wouldn't have been one, if all you did was trash talk. It's the fact you said you didn't come to talk trash and did that I responded 

I guess, but I think your nit picking a bit. I said he was a beast, I said he was a better QB than Jackson. I did say he was playing with a chip on his shoulder.....and yes I said the Ravens were going to knock it off. But I just didnt look at it like it was talking smack. I can see how it looks that way. The Ravens defense is a quick physical defense, you shouldnt take it so personal. He isnt playing the lowly Bengals this week.

@hoorta said:

He's in denial Modell was going bankrupt, Fleet Bank was going to foreclose on him, and Biscotti threw him a life preserver to save face.  After Maryland and Baltimore gave him what was  it a $75 million  bribe to move? 

The other owners- Modell included- thought the previous expansion teams, the Jaguars and Panthers got too good, too fast. So it was time to screw the most loyal fan base in the NFL over royally. Jags and Carolina had at least an entire year to get their act together, and got way better deals in the expansion draft. The Browns got months, and got crap. 

As far as Modell's "business decision"- BS he could have sold out to Al Lerner, then and there. Nope, wanted to have the glory of being an NFL owner, and pass the team down to his cigar chompin' kid. Nothing short of Divine Justice he wound up with neither.  

I guess, but Al Lerner turned out to be a turd as well. What do you mean the city of Cleveland got crap? They got a new stadium, the team name etc. etc. Actually Modell got the 75 mill. plus the suite money.....and other perks. Baltimore had a better deal on the table than Jacksonville or Carolina. They just had it in their minds Baltimore wasnt getting an expansion team.  Lerner was also involved in a lot of the negotiations and knew Modell was leaning towards Baltimore. He had his sights on Cleveland, he stabbed Cleveland in the back for his own gain. He didnt want to buy the club from Modell. Why should he? He could waltz in to CLeveland as a hero. But he was in the ear of Modell the entire time encouraging him to go to Baltimore. You guys have all that hatred for Modell you should have had the same for Lerner. Turned out Lerner was even more of a bum then Modell, he didnt care at all about Cleveland. He made a butt load of cash off of Cleveland and selling the Browns. Lerner was standing on the podium with Modell when he announced he was leaving Cleveland and going to Baltimore.

@the-gipper said:

What the fuck does EarSay have to do with a goddamn thing. That’s your problem not ours talk to that shit on your own board not here. And yes that things are Modell’s legacy because everything he touched was bad. He had nothing to do with the ravens are being good that was all biscotti when he came in and took over. 

Hmmmmmmm Modell was the owner when they won their first Championship.....2000. As far as what point it was to bring up Irsay was to illustrate the difference/similarities there was between the Browns move and the Colts move. I guess it got lost in translation. 

@tour2ma said:

Reasonable reply...

As I mentioned in another thread Tark played most of his career on teams that were lucky to be mediocre. He dd what he had to do to survive. In the last third of his career he was on a better team in his 2nd stint with the Vikings... and he ran less and had his best seasons as a passer.

https://thevikingage.com/2018/07/05/fran-tarkenton-rank-quarterback-vikings/

@gunz41 said:

Well actually not everything you said was a fact, such as knock chip off shoulder. But it is talking trash, when you come on to say the things you did.

You also say "we" arent the same team you saw before, which makes it seem as if you think the Browns are. You cant have it both ways. They have played this year, with Cleveland winning. You use games that have happened recently to support your case, why didn't you bring that one up?

Again, if you wanted to bolster your team up, then do it. Dont say you aren't going to talk then do it. 

I didnt use that game because 1) there is a different QB playing for BOTH teams. WHy would I use that as an example of what might happen today? Of course I would use games that were played recently. Why wouldn't I?  Would you disagree that Mayfield is playing with a chip on his shoulder?  Bolstering my team is not talking smack, saying the Browns fans are delusional thinking they can win would be talking smack......I never said such a thing. Talking smack would be saying the Ravens were going to dominate the game with out using facts to support the argument. Its not bragging if you have facts that support your position. 

When does it stop being Modell's legacy? When Cleveland finally wins something? 

@the-gipper said:

The shit that has been the Browns these last 20 years has been Modells legacy. You know. The guy that the NFL kicked out of the league for his incompetence 

If drunk ass Bob Irsay took the Colts team to Indy and left the team name, colors and history I would have said Good Riddance!  Bye! Good luck in Indy! The Baltimore COlts drafted John Elway but he refused to come to Baltimore because of the owner. He was a bad owner and a drunk. Nothing would have made me happier then today's Ravens would have been named the Colt's. If Cleveland would have won the Super Bowl in the last 20 years you wouldnt have a problem, but because they have basically sucked for the last 20 years it's Modell's legacy. If you had won the Super Bowl would it have been his legacy also? Hell no! Only the bad stuff is his legacy.....right?

@the-gipper said:

The shit that has been the Browns these last 20 years has been Modells legacy. You know. The guy that the NFL kicked out of the league for his incompetence 

"Kicked out of the league"? Modell had nothing to do with who the expansion team owners were. He had nothing to do with the HC's, GM's or missed first round picks that these awful owners hired. Modell's legacy in the NFL are many....some great....some not so much. Modell made a business decision, you may not have liked it but for him and his family it was the best decision he could have made. Again I still don't get the angst. You kept the team, just not the owner. Besides a few years of football what have you missed?  One last thing, I will say it right here....right now. Mayfield is a way better QB than Jackson hands down. But the Ravens are a better team......today.

@jiggins7919 said:

Yeah....I don't think so. I HOPE so, but I don't think so, Lmao. 

If we somehow win, it'll be somewhat closer to our first game. Not quite 12-9, but more towards that realm. 

My biggest hope is Lamar gives us a couple gifts. While he can definitely throw the ball, he almost ALWAYS has a few errant throws that can be picked. If he misses high over the middle, like on their read-option slant, we need to make them pay. 

Jackson has fumbled in every single game he has played.......so yeah, the Browns have to get those turnovers. 

41 pts? on the #1 defense? The division, the playoffs and the entire season on the line for the Ravens and the Browns are going to drop 41? In their stadium?

Zombo said:

Fuck You. Steve Everitt wasn't laundry. Eric Turner wasn't laundry. Earnest Byner wasn't laundry. They were Cleveland Browns. And they were proud to be Cleveland Browns.

We were coming off a playoff season when Modell sold his soul to your greedy, soulless  crackhouse of a city.

We had Belichick as coach, Saban as defensive coordinator, Ozzie picking the players and the best defense in the NFL ... No, that wouldn't have worked.

If you were a Colts fan and you adopted our Browns as your Ravens, you are a human piece of shit ... and It's not even up for debate.

How can a football team being better on paper be a "fact"?

There is only one place to better and that is on the field. And we have already proven to be the better team once, and we will again today.

Those balls on your chin? Those are Baker's, son.

https://www.facebook.com/dawgpoundunderground/videos/364450147676422/?t=0

Please, players are proud to be what ever team pays them the most money. I will agree with one thing....you have it a bit wrong. Baltimore isnt the "crack" capitol of the country but they are the heroin capitol thats for sure. It is laundry, players come and go. Unitas went and Played for the Chargers, Joe Montana went and played for the Chiefs. My point was that Cleveland was able to keep thier colors, thier history and thier name.....thier Jersey's. What exactly did Modell take?  I will agree with you about Ozzie, did you know he will not sign any Ravens gear? Only Browns gear.

BTW none of the players you mentioned was on the 2000 Championship team........none!

@nickers said:

No.. You just care to ignore facts.. We have our record based in part on the failures of Our last Head Coach. and the replacement was savvy enough to adapt around the talent on the field.. In My honest opinion.. I think both your defense and the QB's on your roster are all fraudulent.. You lucked out and you caught LA The chargers on an off day... You know the term "Any given Sunday".. Any team is susceptible of winning and/or losing.. Your ratbirds havent arrived yet.. I''lll take Bakers accuracy and intelligence over Jacksons athleticism any day of the week.. there are no old running QB's in the NFL...The defenses as far as I'm concerned are a wash....I'm certainly not saying the Browns have arrived either.. But I would take Garrett and Mayfield over anything you guys have on your roster.. May the best team win!

Edit: Bear in mind.. Baker lives for games like this.. Don't be shocked to see him break a couple of records today.. He's that fucking dan6erouse! The Browns aren't as easy an out as you portend them to be... Rope-a-dope is a scary weapon...

Break records? Against the #1 defense....at home? Sorry I would be absolutely stunned.

I never said the Browns will be an "easy out". I just have a lot of confidence coming in to this game. Why shouldn't I? I think the Browns can absolutely win this game. I have outlined some of the ways they could win.....like dominating the line of scrimmage. That is where this game will be won and lost. If the Ravens O line handles the Browns and the Ravens get their running game going and control the clock....thus keeping Mayfield off the field the Browns will be in for a long day. If the Browns can protect Mayfield they have an excellent chance. The Ravens havn't proved they can come from behind to win a game. Yeah, Jackson had that one throw against the Chargers but that isnt evidence of the Ravens having the ability to create a "comeback". If the Ravens play from in front most of the game the Ravens will win. The Browns need to get up on the Ravens and stay there. If the Browns are always playing from behind the Ravens will smell blood and it will only get harder as the game goes on. The Ravens CAN NOT let Mayfield get in to any rhythm. Mayfield is a good QB he is going to make some plays, the Ravens just have to limit many of those plays 

@nickers said:

No.. you lucked out.. 9 out of 10x's the Chargers would kick your ever lovin mother fuckin asses.. They're that fucking good.. They had an off day.. you can pull the wool over your eyes all you like.. Even if you do make it to the playoffs.. It's likely your one and done... Woulda,coulda,shouldas dont amount to victories...

The good news is if the Ravens win today, chances are the Ravens will play the Chargers in the first round and then we will see.....right? I agree you either win or you lose.....oh and I guess you can tie. Lucked out? I thought there were no woulda, shoulda coulda's? You either win or lose? We beat the Chargers soundly, they scored one TD on a short field off a turn over. Other than that a field goal. They never even sniffed the goal line. Did you watch the game? Oh and the Browns? Who have they beat? Your wins all come from sub-500 teams. But the Browns have finally got a QB and are bouncing back. They should be contenders in the AFC North for years to come. I am sure they will beat the Ravens plenty in the coming years......but just not today.

@nickers said:

No.. You just care to ignore facts.. We have our record based in part on the failures of Our last Head Coach. and the replacement was savvy enough to adapt around the talent on the field.. In My honest opinion.. I think both your defense and the QB's on your roster are all fraudulent.. You lucked out and you caught LA The chargers on an off day... You know the term "Any given Sunday".. Any team is susceptible of winning and/or losing.. Your ratbirds havent arrived yet.. I''lll take Bakers accuracy and intelligence of Jacksons athleticism any day of the week.. there are no old running QB's in the NFL...The defenses as far as I'm concerned are a wash....I'm certainly saying the Browns have arrived either.. But I would take Garrett and Mayfield over anything you guys have on your roster.. May the best team win!

I am not ignoring any facts, Mayfield is the #1 pick for a reason. The guy is a beast. You made my point......"adapt around the talent on the field" that is exactly what Baltimore did with Jackson. Flacco got hurt and the Ravens changed their entire offense. Defense fraudulent? You dont rank  #1 most of the year and not be the real thing but OK I understand you like your guys.....you should. I am with you on the longevity of Jackson. If I am the Ravens I would be looking for another QB. I am not the worlds biggest Flacco fan. He makes 15 mil a year and I just dont see it. Jackson is one play away from concussion protocol. BUT for this season, this one ride? I will take it. The Ravens are built for this time of year. You may be right.....they may have caught lightening in a bottle. That is fine with me. Take me to the promised land and we will worry about next year.....next year. I am sure you dont follow the Ravens. They didnt just "catch the chargers on a bad day" They were one play away from beating the Chiefs as well. But as we said today is the day! 

@gumby73 said:

Red^^ We know how Baker responses to pressure..How bout Lamar??  see ya, sunday bloody sunday 

 You are correct the offense doesnt scare anyone......other than their running game is ranked #1. The Browns are ranked 14 over all and the Ravens are not much better at 12. What does scare everyone about the Ravens offense? Ball control. They also lead the league there. Its hard to score if your offense isnt on the field. If this was a game under the same circumstances in the middle of the season I would be extremely worried. But this game is for all the marbles. Motivation is a power thing.....but....any given Sunday....right?  That's why they play the game.

@the-gipper said:

If the ravens are so awfully great then why are they only nine and six. 

Couldnt I ask the same thing about the Browns? It is funny almost a similar situation. But somehow I don't think you care to talk football.

@choco said:

Brown OL had given up 7 pressures, of which 3 are sacks the last 4 games iirc. Watt and clowny didn't get anywhere near baker.  Just saying it's not a given theres consistent pressure, but then I'm not sure you want bakers passing numbers under pressure...kinda gaudy

I'm excited simply to see how he performs against a decent defense. Gives us a chance to gauge his growth. 

Yeah, that is where the Browns will win the game.....in the trenches. If they can control the line of scrimmage the Ravens will have trouble. Thank you for........just talking football.

The Ravens run a ground control game, they keep the offense....their defense off the field. The offense scores just enough for the defense to pin their ears back and get after it. Jackson is going to give you a turn over.......that is a guarantee. The Browns MUST take advantage of it. Get a short field the Browns better score. Dont try and trade field goals.....the Ravens have arguably one of the best kickers in football....The Browns need to score TD's. This is a good test for Mayfield, this has a "playoff" feel and he is playing the best defense in the NFL. If he performs it is a great way to end the season. On the other hand, how will he respond to the moment? The ravens are going to get to him.....no doubt about it. They are going to smack him in the mouth.....how will he respond? I am as interested as you guys are in seeing it.

@gumby73 said:

 we switched 1 player at LT since we played last & Baker will have the ball out in under 2.5 seconds..since than, Baker has not been touched.Mayfield is better than Lamar is all that matters at this point. Chargers play 16 road games. Rivers played his worst game we both have ever seen him play with ravens.. 180 yrds.4 sacks 2 picks..As Maholmes did with T.Hill & TE Kelsey. Bake will use the same position guys to attack with Landry & Njoku that pressed your secondary last match-up. we got gashed by the run with chargers..but since, a far better run defense has played well starting at Denver. credit, you have a solid front 7.. but your corners & 1 good safety can't cover the whole field that Bake & Maholmes are seeing..     

Everything you say I agree with.....but what you missed is how the Ravens D line has been playing lately. That is what has made the Ravens so much better. With the D line playing better it makes the secondary that much better. The corners have played extremely well the last couple games. The weakest link is Weddle. The guy is two steps slow. He makes up a step with his experience.....but still at least one step to the play all the time. Weddle has been hidden because of the exceptional play of everyone else on that defense. You want to beat the Ravens? Get Mosley one on one....he cant cover if his life depended on it. What the Ravens did to the Chargers is play man to man. held them up at the line of scrimmage. That 2.4 seconds getting the ball out? Doesn't happen. If he lets the route develop the D line is in his face. The Ravens are ranked #1 for a reason. Thanks for talking football BTW......

@gunz41 said:

You know, its funny that your 1st statement is you dont want to talk trash, then that is what ya did. Arent the same team, we are better, knock chip off shoulder, etc.

If you wanted to talk, dont say you dont want to and then do it. 

I didnt think I was talking trash, again I was stating facts. The Ravens on paper are better than the Browns. That isnt talking trash. But I also said that no one knows what will happen tomorrow....that's why we play the game. What did I say that wasn't a fact?  I dont think I was bragging, I was debating with another poster. To back up my position I used facts. Is that talking smack?