@go-losers said: Fair enough, but I don't need to remind you that the Browns died, rose back from the dead, had winning seasons and playoff appearances all in the time of my Pirates 20 year futility of NO winning seasons Uuuuuugh! Okay. . . I promise I won't turn this in to a pity party LOL That is right....the Browns did go on hiatus and came back and made the playoffs. That is why I say that people that think Tim Couch was a bust are fools. He is the guy that took the team from a paper franchise to the playoffs. But injuries hit and that was his career. And also, think about it: he married the Playboy Playmate of the year. Not bad for a hick.