Suh can play dt in a 4-3 or an end in 3-4 personally i wouldnt mind having suh lined up next to big baby rogers. Then again i wouldnt mind seeing berry in a browns uniform playing safety. For the love of god pls dont take a qb in the first round!!! I dont like the best pick he has seemed to disappear in cal's big games this year. he didnt do squat against usc or oregon.

Tennessee isnt doing much this year, but thats not due to Eric Berry or the defense. The defense is pretty solid and Eric Berry is the stud on that side of the ball. They dont have a QB that strikes fear into opposing defenses. In fact the one game that the QB actually played well was the Georgia game and Tenn dominated them.

Well said Riffer...

I am too young to remember the old glory days. Hell I was in diapers during the run in the eighties, but any proud Browns fan knows our historic past. I've never lived in Cleveland I was born in Jacksonville FL, but my dad on the other hand was born and raised in Cleveland and i was raised to be a Cleveland fan whether that be the Browns, Indians, or the Cavaliers. Being from a city thats still fairly new to the NFL (about 15 years or so) you still have a melting pot of fans here. Snow birds who move south after they retire (northern teams) or even fans of the jags, dolphins, and bucs. Every day at work I hear stuff like "it must suck to be a browns fan," or "I cant believe you actually admit being a cleveland fan," I just dust off my shoulder take it with a grain of salt and continue about my business. My support for this team will never dwindle; I bleed brown and orange.

Carl just remember that your not the only one who get ridiculed for being a browns fan. As bad as we've been over the last decade, and the torturous ways that the browns have managed to loose in the past; it kind of comes with the territory. But there are fans of this team all over the country. I was at the browns/jags game last year in j'ville and prob half the stadium was filled with browns fans. I took my dad as an early Christmas present. Prob the most fun I've ever had!

We will get back to greatness, it just takes a few small steps in the right direction at first to get the ball rolling

if the browns play the rest of the season, like they showed they can yesterday. I think Buffalo,Detroit, KC, Oakland are should be wins. Jacksonville will be a toss up IMO. Then theres our other divisional games. I think we can at least win one of the remaining 4 we have against them. putting us around 6-10 and hell the way the season started off, ill take a 6-10 season

@bestplayer52 said:

The Ravens lost but it was fun see Cleveland Browns choke and watch Mangini's face.

0-4 takes them out of any playoff/wildcard consideration.

Having a deadbeat in our division year after year is cool.

Maybe next year browns. start planning the draft / combines.

Boy you are a freaking moron.... Its four games into the season.... NO team is out of the playoffs.... yes it could be unlikely the way certain teams play but after 4 games were 3 games out... I do believe theres more than 3 games left in the season jack off... So we are not mathematically eliminated yet douche bag

@deadwombat said:

Anderson's goaline interception really hurt us.

agreed that pick was a bad decision, but you can't expect a QB to have a perfect game. Even Pro-bowl quarterbacks will throw picks from time to time... We just have to hope that it wont effect next time they go out there. Good game brownies!!!! Bring on the Bills.

yes a loss is a loss, but at the same time at least we can have some pride in our team for not rolling over and dying and actually looking more respectable out there. Half the people on this board said they new the team wasn't going to contend this year but at least wanted them to show some heart out there and at least make games competitive.

@bestplayer52 said:

''There are certain things I learned from my experience being here in [Cleveland] in 1995, then transitioning to New York with [bill] Parcells, then transitioning to New England with [belichick]. I feel I got a real good perspective on it and was lucky to be around those situations to understand the difficulties you encounter and the importance of having a plan, having a vision and sticking to it.''

He should KNOW by now and not just feel he has a "real good perspective."

Modell never would have hired Mangini or Crennel or Davis or Palmer.

Look at Mangini on the sidelines - he tries to act like Belichick but the problem is that people respect Bill and he wins. Players don't respect a wanna-be coach who's only resume is working for other coaches who have achieved and won Super Bowls.

and don't forget Mangini was the only person interviewed for the job. Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh are coaches who were researched and approached to interview with other candidates that were as good or maybe better but at least they had a vetting process.

So the Steelers and Ravens own the AFC North. Why? Because the ownership hires the right front office people and coaches based on due diligence and long-term plans.

The Fans in Cleveland still blame Modell for their failures? He would never have let this 10 year slide happen. He was successful in Cleveland and successful in Baltimore. The Rooney's have been the model owners for years and hire the right people!

The Browns failure should be pointed in the right direction - Lerner not Modell (he only won wherever he went.)

Who's going to the hall of fame? Modell or Lerner?

Dude are you serious? Modell wasn't a successful business man. If he was then the Ravens would still be run by the Modell family you moron. He sold his soul when he moved the team to Baltimore because he was going bankrupt and don't say it was cause we refused to build him a stadium. A new stadium doesn't help a team contend, and to the fact that even in the old stadium the browns sold out every game, which is how I don't know how in the world the man was going bankrupt. He is a disgrace to the human race and why don't you just get a life and go to a ravens site and talk about all your criminals on your ravens roster.

@bestplayer52 said:

EXCEPT CLEVELAND REFUSED TO BUILD A STADIUM FOR THE BROWNS. THIS FROM A FOOTBALL TOWN?

YOU REFUSED AND MODELL MOVED ON. HE DIDN'T WIN A SUPER BOWL TO SPITE YOU, IT TOOK HIM 4 PLUS YEARS TO WIN THE SUPER BOWL.

He asked you time and time again and had to move on. Cleveland is not a football town otherwise a stadium would have been built period.....

You are a F*$^ing moron!!!! Why don't you get an actual life instead of coming onto this website and bash us. Modell was a rat of a business man. Your just lucky he doesn't own your franchise anymore cause he would stab you guys in the back just like he did Cleveland. A "new" stadium does not make a team play better you stupid A$$ hat..... That old stadium was still one of the best home field advantages anywhere.... Cleveland will always have better fans than Baltimore... (case in point ; we still have the Browns while Indy has the colts) Now please do us all a favor and take a long walk off a short pier, or just get your murderous LB Lewis to stab you a few times. it would really be doing the world a favor

If a couple underclassmen come out theres potentially 5 to 6 first round quarterbacks in this years draft. In my opinion I'm just not sold on Bradford or McCoy. Big 12 teams don't play defense at all. Take last year, 3 out of the top 5 finalists for the Heisman were QB's from the Big 12. Yes they put up great numbers during their regular season, but look what happened when they actually played a good defense... Gators>Sooners.... Ole Miss destroyed Texas Tech... and lets face it Texas escaped a game with a win that Ohio State should have won. Im not saying Bradford or McCoy wont be good pros at the next level. I just think theres so many more pressing needs on this team than to draft a QB who hasn't faced good defenses on a constant level in college to come into Cleveland and go up against two top 5 defenses twice a year.

Bradford- underclassman

Clausen- underclassman

Locker- underclassman

McCoy- senior

Tebow- senior

Pike- senior

Snead- underclassman

Bengals 24

Browns 12

Four field goals from our team MVP Phil Dawson

@bestplayer52 said:

well 4-0 sounds a lot better than 0-4.

No arguing with those stats.

Leave Modell alone or else.

What the hell does modell even have to do with this.... ohhhh wait thats right... nothing.

He was such a horrible business man. That in order to stay in the positive he had to sell his soul and move a then proud and historic franchise to a dirty, broken down city that the NFL didnt want anything to do with. (thus Carolina and Jacksonville)

And again showing his "brilliance" as a business man had to sell the ownership of his team because he again lost money....

how that happened in the first place beats me seeing that even in the "old sub par" Cleveland Municipal Stadium the old browns sold out every game...

Art Modell is a rat, and a horrible excuse for a human being will rot in hell for what he did!!!!

And mark my words when and i said WHEN our day comes our wins will be so much sweeter cause our team is pure we didnt have to steal our franchise the NFL actually likes Cleveland

Quinn supporters as well as Anderson supporters listen up...

It doesn't really matter who starts at the QB position. This team is doomed to be the door mat that gets walked all over every Sunday no matter what team were facing.

Quinn may have more tools than what he has shown in the first three weeks, but for some reason whether its the offensive play calling (coaching) or Quinn's nerves getting the best of him knowing he could get pulled for the first interception he throws.

Anderson on the other hand had more pass happy plays called for him. I don't know if the coaching staff has more faith in his arm or if it was just them saying F this just throw it up and try and get back into this game....

I'm just tired of the bickering of who's the better QB. Right now in this offense... they both suck!!!

Yes Anderson threw three picks.... But what good is a three and out?

Holy crap,

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings

ESPN actually has Cleveland 29th. That will change next Tuesday thats for sure.

0-16 here we come!!!!

Bengals in a landslide.

It kills me to say it, I used to go into every game saying that Cleveland had a shot. But in all seriousness this is getting absolutely ridiculous. I know Learner wanted a tough guy head coach who had the balls to change things in the locker room. The only problem is he chose the most incompetent POS excuse for a coach I've ever seen. Guess what the 49'ers chose an unproven head coach that has that sort of mentality and it seems to be working out pretty well... (still kind of early to tell)... Learner there was a reason the jets fired Mangina... do us all a favor and dismantle this abomination you call a coaching staff. Bring in Marty Schottenheimer as the HC. Then try and pull Mike Mularkey away from the falcons as the OC. I know thats asking a lot cause if i were either of them I'd want some serious cash to take those jobs because nobody in there right mind would want to take over this abortion gone wrong of a franchise, but learner we need a proven head coach and someone who can run an offense. End of discussion.

no if we take a QB in round one were screwed next year as well.... first round we need either a play maker in the secondary either mays or berry.... I prefer berry, but either works for me..... or an athletic LB like a Brandon Spikes from UF. Im tired of sitting in mediocrity, and adding a new QB to the mix wont help just yet.

@kosar_for_president said:

Cowher?

If Cowher was smart he would touch this team with a ten and 1/2 ft pole. Cowher will come back for a team that has potential not to rebuild from the ground up.... but i do like your thinking

Hey I'm not going to deny it, the defense could improve as well. I never said they were playing lights out i mean if they were the ravens wouldn't be up by 24 points. The thing is, the defense has showed "some" life the first three weeks of the season which is much more than the o has done

The Browns offense is so freaking horrific!!!! We cant score points or even move the ball down the field. Then the one or two times a game we do get some production we get inside there 10 and have to settle for a field goal. Something needs to be done and done soon.

How long is the front office gonna just sit by and watch this? different QB, same horrible play calling. no matter if its quinn, anderson, or ratliff taking the snaps its hard to convert 3rd and longs.