baker bounced back for sure, he looks way better when he's not trying to force the ball to OBJ and once he got into a rhythm with short passes.  WTF is up with Sandejo?  All an opposing QB has to do is throw it to whoever he's covering for some easy yards.  Do the Browns seriously not have anyone better at safety?

anyway, the Browns seem to be a much improved team based on record, but they still fall apart when going up against winning NFL teams.  Still rebuilding...

Definitely need some help in the secondary (hasn't this been the case for years now?).

so many pre-snap penalties on the Bengals today.  Looks very familiar....

if the Bengals want Hue Jackson as a head coach, go for it.  Maybe Haley can become HC of the Steelers too ?

Bernie Kosar as head coach 

Promote Josh Cribbs from Special Teams assistant to Special Teams coordinator

Lincoln Riley would be good too but he has already said he is not interested in jumping to the NFL yet

@atom said:

but the rule is a defender may not lower the crown of his helmet and that go's for any player,,so again i asked how could you or anyone for that matter be o.k with that

goes against the "heads up" tackling technique the NFL is trying to enforce.  Both players are lucky to walk away from that hit with no injuries.  It's frustrating when the NFL is so inconsistent with their calls, getting ridiculous now.  

Bernie Kosar for head coach!  Can't be any worse than Clueless Hue and at least he knows how to read defenses

so with hue calling the plays last year, the offense went: 1st down = run up the middle, 2nd down = run up the middle, 3rd down = pass, 4th down = punt and on and on, with the occasional head-scratching trick play in the red zone that was especially mind-boggling because an offense that has trouble running basic screen plays has no business trying tricky stuff.  With Haley, it's much of the same but at least the players are better and can actually execute occasionally.  Today just sucked.  Defense let Jamies Winston walk up and down the field, offense didn't start playing until the 4th quarter, special teams wasn't as horrible as they usually were, but the fumble at the end killed it. 

At this point, I don't think it would make much difference if haley or hue were coaching.  both are in over their heads.  So many stupid penalties today, players are out there playing backyard football with their buddies.  i am pretty impressed that hue is still the coach though, not many can hold on to a head coaching job in the NFL with the record Hue has had.  Would love to see Bernie Kosar as OC or head coach, he'd have the offense whipped into shape at least ?

so now everyone is done comparing baker mayfield to johnny manziel? ?

i certainly hope it's baker's team now, but never underestimate Hue "the QB whisperer" Jackson.  Mayfield has definitely shown why he was drafted #1 overall, offense looked completely different with him in the game.

surprised the defense was still on their feet after all the 3 and outs the offense managed.  long way to go but at least they have already improved on last season's record

give tyrod a chance before ruining Mayfield.  I think Mayfield could be a decent QB now, but he could be a great QB if he has time to learn the NFL.  Plus, the Browns were in several games until the last minutes of the 4th quarter/OT.  Tyrod gives them a chance to turn those close losses into close victories.

@poeticg said:

The Bengals got Little and we got Andrew Hawkins from them. 

Hawkins was a good little receiver as was our "other little guy" that now plays for the Falcons. 

- Weeden took Little down with him. A surefire way to kill an inconsistent catcher is an even more inconsistent passer... 

the Browns should have stuck with Colt McCoy.  It's a shame the new regime wanted "their guy" and rushed Weeden out there.  McCoy was the better QB.  Hope he gets his chance someday, still following the Redskins because of him.   I raged every time Weeden would attempt a short pass, zero touch and just rifled it everywhere.

as a fellow Hokie, I hope Tyrod lights it up and brings the Browns to the playoffs.  I think the only way we'll see Mayfield is if Taylor gets hurt.  I just hope we don't hear "Mayfield" chants after the first interception, it really messed up Hoyer's winning streak the last time the Browns had a first-round QB on the bench and started calling for him at the first sign of trouble.  As much as I like Mayfield as a QB, I also want to see what Tyrod Taylor can do with this team and am in no hurry to throw Mayfield out there for trial by fire until he decisively earns the starting role.

i think they finish 7-9.  i don't know what it is with haslam and hue jackson, but if he didn't get fired for going 1-15 followed by 0-16, i think he's here to stay.  i'm optimistic that having an offensive coordinator will eliminate some of the bone-headed play calling we've seen in the red zone, and the Browns play well enough to overcome Hue's clock management and stupid challenges.  There were multiple times the Browns came close to winning despite Hue Jackson only to Browns it up in the 4th quarter/overtime, hopefully eliminating bubble screens/reversals/fake field goals without a kicker on the field when the Browns are in the red zone turns those close losses into close wins.

can you imagine how bad the Browns would have been blasted by the media if they had selected a running back with the #1 overall pick given their desperate need for a QB?  The Browns had to use the #1 on a QB, no way around it.  For once, they got the top QB in the draft instead of trading down and waiting to see who fell to #22.

@dutch-oven said:

I can't find anything that suggests he has a drinking problem. 

right, me either.  It's like people saw a 6'0 QB, latched on to the Manziel comparison and never let go.  Mayfield is older, puts in work studying playbooks, demonstrated his knowledge of X's and O's, has brought his team up to higher levels of competition, did not have a single WR he heaved it to and relied on to bail him out time and time again...

i don't think the JFF comparisons are valid.  I read about once incident where he evaded arrest.  One incident does not make a pattern.  As long as he can drag the Browns to some wins, I don't care about one incident in college.

I also do not care about the crotch grab.  Right from the start, the other team refused to shake his hand and was jeering at him all game.  Can't really blame him for that, plus he actually has the gaming ability to back up his Sockiness.  It's not like he's grabbing his crotch after every TD pass every game like JFF with his money sign.

I'm just not seeing Manziel 2.0.  I'm willing to have someone enlighten me if they can provide something concrete, not link me to some article blindly comparing Mayfield to Manziel because someone said it once and now everyone is mindlessly parroting it.  Don't let facts get in the way of your opinions.  Like it or not, Mayfield is on the Browns and I think Dorsey made the right choice at #1 based on Mayfield's stats, his ability to fire his team up, and his willingness to work hard to get what he wants.  Mayfield is the QB the Browns need, someone who isn't afraid of a challenge.

i don't think browns fans will have long to wait before seeing mayfield with tyrod's injury history. 

can anyone link anything to me about mayfield's alcohol problems?  i see one incident, but nothing repeated like JFF had...

well, the Browns have "won" the draft the past few years and it didn't pan out, maybe now since they "lost" the draft they will win where it counts.  I'm not worried at all about either of these two players.  I don't get people saying Mayfield has a big ego, he is nowhere near JFF.  I'm pretty excited to see what he can do in the NFL.  He was a college QB who was able to elevate the team around him to play up to the level of his opponents (the Ohio State game is the one that most readily comes to mind) and that is exactly what the Browns need. He's also a guy who is willing to put in the hours to study film and learn playbooks, something JFF definitely was not. Of course, he hasn't taken a single snap in the NFL yet so the jury is still out, but I have high hopes.

I was hoping the Browns would pick Fitzpatrick at #4 but I can live with it.  I can see why they skipped out on Chubb, maybe Ogbah is healing nicely so DE wasn't as glaring a need as secondary help.  Denzel Ward was the top ranked CB heading into the draft, and CB is a spot where the Browns desperately need help so I can't really bash this pick at all.

Every year after the draft I am optimistic about the Browns' chances, at least their record can't get any worse than last year's....right?

@7moses7 said:

Mayfield will be a cancer when he doesn’t start 

@babernakle said:

Little Johnny 2.0 when he doesn’t start he will whine and even if Tyron is playing good the dumbShmuck fans will chant his name and the weak knee staff will start him and he will get destroyed maybe the browns will hit a stoke of luck and he will be banned for substance abuse 

what makes you think this?  he worked his way from a walk-on to breaking college football records.  I think he'll be fine sitting behind tyrod, it's the fans and haslam who will need to be patient. 

@the-gipper said:

Here is this week's pre draft Survey.   This first part is taken from the Rizzo show:

1.  Here are the supposed Top 4 QBs that will go in this draft:

A. Darnold 2.) Not my guy, but I can live with him

B. Rosen 2.) Not my guy...but I can live with him

C. Mayfield 1.) My Guy!!! Yippee Kye Yay!

D. Allen 3.) Bad move

No franchise killers here, but maybe a FO killer if whoever the Browns pick up busts.

For each of them, state which of the following applies to him....in your opinion:   1.  My Guy!! Yippee Kye Yay!    2. Not my guy...but I can live with him   3.  Bad move  or 4.   Franchise Killer

2. Assuming the Browns take QB at #1.....who is your choice for #4?  

Minkah Fitzpatrick, but I'd be happy with Bradley Chubb

3.  Who is the ONE player that you do NOT want to see the Steelers/Bengals/Ravens get their hands on?

tough one. I'll go Bradley Chubb.  Unlikely he'll last that long though. Would also hate to face Vita Vea twice a season.

4. Do you have 1 or 2 "sleepers"   later round guys that you would like to see the Browns get their hands on?  Give the names

I don't watch enough college football to make an informed decision here, but I would like to see the Browns draft some fatasses offensive linemen to reinforce against inevitable injuries

5. Mini-Me died the other day.  What about it.

sad for his family and friends, he was pretty young.