Exactly. They get mad at either the Democrats or Republicans and they can not even answer why they are upset. They are clueless on the issues and most are even clueless about how our form of government works. Yet they trot their a**es down to the polls on election day and cast an uninformed vote. Very sad!

@rocky20 said:

You could make a similar man on the street interview session with Democrats and make them look like assholes too. It proves that a majority of Americans do not take the time to study the issues.

I agree. These guys make so much money it is insane. I for one hoe we do not have to go through anouther lockout. The last time we saw our quarterback Boomer Esiason lay his stupid a** down in the street to block the team bus from bringing in replacement players. What a Retard! I lost a lot of interest in the game after the lockout. Took a long time for me to regain my entusiasm about the NFL.

@bob806 said:

It is real ridiculous when billionaires aren't satisfied. The owners were perfectly content to expand to 32 teams over the years, so they had 32 local tv markets, 32 different teams' logos to market, 32 different ticket sales to market, etc.

They didn't realize that they were responsible for diluting the hell out of the PRODUCT, as long as they had their hands on all of the MONEY. We fans must face that with reality....QB play in particular, is average at best with 32 teams. There are waaaaaay too many crappy teams today, and unfortunately, we (Browns) are one of those teams.

The owners have tapped the fans out to the max with ticket prices & PSLs. The owners have tapped out the TV market to the max with these lucrative deals. The owners have alienated some in the TV business (cable companies) by creating the NFL Network, and most of the fans can't even see those games on that channel because of their greed. Why do you think the owners want to play in Mexico City & London every year? They are nearing the end of their oil well in the USA.

If the revenue sharing is indeed eliminated, they might as well plan on reducing the present 32 teams to around 20-24, because fans aren't going to be able to bail these whiny-ass owners like Jerry Jones out with increased ticket prices. Fans not only in Cleveland, but Buffalo, Detroit, Pittsburgh, for example, which are true blue-collar areas, cannot absorb that (cost increases)when their own standard of living is being slashed to pieces.

Capitalism does indeed have it's flaws...too bad the owners can't see their greed will destroy the game we love.

I know the type very well. Hey, next time you come through stop at the Grand Vic and do some gambling! My property taxes thank you!

@hoorta said:

Welcome,

Been through Rising Sun many times when a good friend of mine was living in Vevay.

I've got no problems with the real Bengals fans, but there are so many Fairweather boogers here in Dayton that only come out from under their rocks when the team is winning.

My understand now is that the game is sold out so I will get to watch it!

@childofhumanity said:

Thanks so much. I hope they have a good showing too if they actually get into the post season. I am not counting that chicken as hatched just yet. But I am so proud of the rebound season my boys have put together since last year. I look forward to a good and injury free game Sunday. If I get to watch it. Not sold out here yet.

Sounds delicious. No one in my house likes turkey except when it is thinly sliced breast meat from the deli for sandwiches. I am preparing a spiral sliced honey ham, a whole baking chicken with stuffing inside, stuffing, cranberry salad, mashed potatos with gravy, deviled eggs, green beans, an apple pie and a pumpkin pie. Also serving sugar free jello for those like myself who are diabetic and can not have a sugary dessert. I know it is not traditional but there is no point in making the traditional turkey meal when no one will eat much of it and we will throw out a lot of food. Hate to be wasteful. Especially in this economy.

A very Happy Thanksgiving All! May God Bless you today and always!

@ballpeen said:

With the day just around the corner, I was just wondering what ya'll were having for dinner.

Being just my wife and I this year I just wanted to hit one of the restaurants for a turkey spead of some sort, but she wanted to do the home deal....which means i cook since i always cook....I like it and she doesn't.

So, went out a few minutes ago and picked up the basics....small 10 lb turkey.

This year I am going to skip the smoker and all and just go for my basic oven bird.

I like to brine mine 24 hours before hand. The brine consists of 1 gal water, 2 cups salt, 2 cans apple juice concentrate, peppercorns, 3-4 bay leaves, and a cup of Jack Daniels. After brining, pat dry, then let dry further in the fridge,,,say overnight...so start brining on Tuesday evening, take out Wed evening, and ready to go on Thursday..

Before putting in oven. a light coating of oil, salt, pepper and layer 6-8 strips thick slice bacon as the finishing touch...bake like you normally would until done.

As for the rest of the stuff....pretty much standard fare you see on Thanksgiving table all across the land.

Anything you want to share? Some of the things you mention may light a spark in someone else and end up on their table as well. The next few days is when most of us start putting it all together.

Oh....on the turkey i will just stuff it with some celery stalks, maybe a carrot or two, and some herb sprigs,,,whatever is handy....just for flavoring...it gets discarded before carving.

Thanks so much. I hope they have a good showing too if they actually get into the post season. I am not counting that chicken as hatched just yet. But I am so proud of the rebound season my boys have put together since last year. I look forward to a good and injury free game Sunday. If I get to watch it. Not sold out here yet.

@brownindian said:

hey there Bengals fan. Hope ur team has a good in the post season.

DJHERO, I have to ask why you are even on the board. You clearly have nothing but contempt for the Browns and you can do nothing but insult their fans. Yes it is easy to be a fan like you who witnesses the decades of excellence the steeler ownership BUYS and then jump on their bandwagon. Try being a fan of a team that has many down years in addition to their many up years. That is a true fan. And yes the Browns have had many up years. In the 80s they practically owned the Steelers. But of course you don't want to talk about that. If you have no constructive (or intelligent for that matter) comments to make then why don't you just visit another board where you will be more happy? Is it impossible for you to just talk and analyse football here? When you post every post like you do then you are acting very sophmoric and immature. If you think you are reflecting well on your team you are wrong. It is fans (if we can call you that) like you that make people despise the Steelers. My advice? Go away! You are a guest on this board just like I am. You should show some respect and act accordingly.

@djhero said:

Only in Cleveland - with the worst of the NFL fans - does childish criminal behavior need to be posted on their own website to remind the dimwits to behave..

* Behavior that is socially unacceptable, offensive, unruly, or illegal in nature.

* Using or displaying foul or inflammatory language or gestures.

* Verbal or physical harassment of opposing team fans.

* Throwing objects onto the field.

* Entering the playing field or interfering with the progress of the game.

* Failing to follow instructions or refusing to show your ticket stub when asked by a Stadium representative.

* Attempting to sit in seats for which you are not properly ticketed.

* Intoxication or other signs of alcohol impairment that results in irresponsible behavior.

* Excessive standing - please be aware that when you stand, you block the view of the fans behind you. We do not wish to diminish your ability to cheer and enjoy the game; however, your continued standing can interfere with others' ability to enjoy the game from their seats.

* Smoking- In compliance with chapter 3794 on the Ohio Revised Code, smoking is prohibited in Cleveland Browns Stadium.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/tickets/stadium/policies.php

So sad morons were given another chance to prove themselves in the NFL and they fell flat on their face. GO BROWNS! LOL.

Amen to that!

Formerly Stone said:

Thank God he was tackled from behind!

This reminds me of the media coverage of tornados. The reporter seems to go out of his way to find the most redneck unintelligent people to talk to about it. It is scary to think that any of those people actually have the power to vote. They should be much more aware of the issue before they get close to a ballot box.

I hate to see anybody injured and I certainly hate to see anyone laughing about an unjured player. Shows a lack of compassion and class.

TO is lucky to be playing anywhere in the NFL. He is a huge media distraction everywhere he goes. He is a whiner and definitely not a team player.

@yosemitejam said:

Free agents are not looking for culture...all they want is the $$$$$$

ex....i would never have expected TO to sign with a team like Buffalo

Mangini need to focus on the game plan and execution. He should want his players wanting that as well. He should not be creating a media distraction with silly crybaby stuff like this. Just my humble oinion.

Exactly the reason the Bengals got rid of him. He was midiocre at best. He was the one that allowed Kemo Vancheapshottin to get that devastating shop at Palmers knee.

@gips said:

steinbach has really been getting overloaded and has been very unimpressive as both a pass and run blocker, he is just getting mauled out there and its making life tough on joe thomas and our rotating QBs...

I disagree. You are the team with the worst RECORD. That does not make you the worst team. Detroit is the worst team in the league. 0-16 last season? and now only two wins this year? The browns are a few defensive players away from fielding a very competitive football team. I think Brady is the future of the Browns. Good strong arm and he seems to have good decision making skills most of the time. But then all quarterbacks get rattled. You put pressure on big Ben and he starts float wounded ducks all over the field. We proved that against him twice. I do think you need a new coach though. Mangini is a serious loser. A couple good draft picks and a few free agent signings and the Browns are competetors in the AFCN.

@tampadawgs said:

fort those who say it was the Lions, well they were saying the same thing, we are playing the Browns......

We still need a playmaker on the Offense.....

Quinn looked great, I hope he does this the rest of the season then we do not need to draft a QB

I like Jennings, but still not a gamebreaker, still need a RB

Defense, what can you say, they were HOT TRASH....

We are the worse team in the NFL..... Detriot is a better team...sorry its true

I will say it was fun to watch thou....

Have a feeling it will be more along the lines of 24-21 Bengals. The Bengals seem content with jumping out to a nice first quarter lead and then shutting the offense down. Not going very far in the playoffs playing that way. Assuming they make the playoffs.

berniesipe said:

Bengals will win 40 to 3. Carson will have 5 td passes!

Oh, I gotcha! Well I have not married my sister yet if that is the concern!

@ballpeen said:

Just a running joke of mine...whenever I meet someone who says they are a Bengal fan, I ask them how things are back in Kentucky.

All Bengal fans are from Kentucky aren't they??

Ummmmmmm no! Born and raised in Cincinnati. Now residing in Rising Sun, Indiana just 35 miles south west of Cincy.

suns said:

Wait he's from kentucky?

I don't think so much the Steelers are mediocre, I think it is that the AFCN is getting more balanced. Sure Cleveland is having a bit of a rebuilding period but I can remember back in the 80s when they were very competitive year in and year out. The Bengals have finally got a coach that assembled a staff to build a winning team. Are they great? No, but they are pretty good this year. The Ravens are struggling just a bit but they to are a good football team. All the talk about the Bengals consistently choking at the end of the season is living in the past as most Steeler fans do. They think they are living in the glory days of the 70s. Parity has hit the league and any team can lose on any given Sunday. I think the Bengals have the maturity this year to do what they have to do down the stretch. The Browns will find a winning formula and will not be constant cellar dwellers very long. Steelers fans like to rag on the Browns but just two years ago the Steelers finished 3rd in the division just ahead of the Browns. Each season has it surprises and I believe next year the Browns will be one of those surprises. As for Steelers fans who believe the SB is their birth right, well you are mistaken. You have to earn it. Does not matter how many times you earned it before. Every year is played in the hear and now and old records are out the window. I think Steeler fans could use a little humility when discussing other teams. The whole Stains, Bungholes, Rat Birds stuff is juvenile. Show other teams and their fans respect and let your team do the talking on the field. Just my humble opinion.

Thanks for burning that image into my mind! Gross!

@ebenezer said:

It would be wise for your coach to devise a gameplan against the Bengals using short pass routes instead of deep ones. Our corners are among the best in the business. Why throw into the strength of the defense. Take the short stuff and march down the field. But then that is just how I would play it. We have also seemed to have abandoned the blitz and I am not sure why. I think if Brady keeps dinking and dunking his way down the field it will be a long day for my boys. It serves two purposes. It gets you scores and it chews the clock keeping Palmer sidelined. A quarterback can not beat you from the bench.

@ebenezer said:

If Eric Mangina were here he would accuse you of cheating.