Dawgfanforever88 said:
hey Bicurious thats exactly what it means if you can't tell that he's a good player, theres most likely a lot more you have no clue about.wtf are you here for anyhow?
If you had watched him last year you'd be wary to anoint him king too.
I came here in the preseason to actually ask Cleveland fans how Hillis was doing because he showed promise his rookie year but screwed it up last year. No one knew who he was except for a couple guys who attacked me for whatever reason.
Just watch the Browns game tomorrow. It will be enough to change your mind.
I actually am. My brother is a Pitt fan (ridiculous) so I will be watching it. We'll see how he does.
Regardless, I would say its safe to say you don't know jack shit about football.
Ah. Because I don't like a player I don't know anything about football. All I see when I watch Hillis play is him screwing up all of his opportunities last year in Denver. The fact that he's one of the best players on your sorry team is just hilarious.
BTW, your avatar is the one I'm using for my fantasy team.
Hello Browns Fans, I just want to give you a heads up. This guy, Curious, also known as Papa-pwn, member of the offical Broncos message boards, wrote the following crap about Hillis:http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread...405#post3073405
So, that's the kind of troll you're dealing with. It's just funny to see his work of art. He made a sig bet defending that Hillis would be gone from the NFL after leaving Denver, lost the bet (obviously) and ran away from the boards. Now he is a joke around there. Yep, he is not man enough.
Good luck Browns, I will keep rooting for Hillis!
You shouldn't assume things man. I'm not papa-pwn on the Broncos message boards. Good try though.
Bottom line: Peyton "Dozer" Hillis is Da Man!As a life-long Broncos with a deep hatred for our new little dictator of a head coach, Josh "McStalin" McDaniels, I couldn't be happier for Hillis or for the hard-luck Browns. Congrats on your win today, and nice job sticking it to McStalin with the trade of Brady Q-ster for Peyton Hillis.
Will the idiotic nicknames for McDaniels never cease? The man is doing a great job, and just because he traded away his backup fullback you compare him to a notorious leader who killed millions? Lol, Hillis won't be in good graces for long, his fall is coming.
He's a good player. My dad's a Vikings fan so I get a heavy dose of their personnel. They are so stacked at D-Line they had to get rid of somebody. He's got talent.
Jerk, you are wearing out your welcome fast. Yammer Yammer Yammer. You really need to go home for a diaper change and come back AFTER you learn something - anything - about football.You're down on Hillis because he fumbled. Would you please give me a list of rb's who have gone a season without any fumbles.
You are dissing Delhomme for 2 interceptions and a fumble. Granted that's not good, but would you please provide me a list of qb's who have gone a season with no fumbles or interceptions.
I'll wait for the lists. I'm sure you have them right at hand.
I've wondered why you are such an adamant supporter of Hillis and had such a vendetta against Josh McDaniels, but I've figured it out.
I believe you used to be a broncos fan and fell in love with Hillis, got pissed when he played himself out of his role on the team and then followed him to Cleveland. Hillis was traded March 14, 2010, and your join date is March 15, 2010. You're not even a real Browns fan.
The idiot -- and boy did you get that descriptor right -- who let Hillis get away was HC Josh McDaniels (commonly known among Denver fans as McDummy). After Hillis had a year in 2008 in which he had a 100-yard rushing game (against Mangini's Jets) and a 100-yard receiving game against Miami, and led the Broncos in rushing, the new HC sat him on the bench in 2009 and left him there to rot. No one knows why. Fans called for Hillis to be used, but to no avail. So, the HC left him on the bench in favor of a faux-running back who had 27% of his carries for 1 yard or less and had only two carries for more than 20 yards.The same coach let Marshall go to the Dolphins and Sheffler go to the Lions. He will not lose his job over letting any of them go. He will probably lose it for the people he brought in to replace them sooner or later.
Lol at Hillis leading the team in rushing. He had 343 yards because Seven of our running backs were put on IR. You're a riot, man. Let's see how Moreno and Hillis stack up at the end of this season.
Oh, and didn't Hillis average less than 4 yards per carry against Detroit? Is that really cause for celebration?
How long do you seriously give McD before he is shown the door? He is 2-8 in his last 10 games. Will he be okay if he goes 8-8 and misses the playoffs again?Delhomme's history before last year has been good. We are banking that last year was a fluke. Thus far, the gamble is paying off well.
We'll see how things go on October 1. I wonder what kind of noise will erupt out there when Hillis contributes one of his smash-mouth carries. If the Denver defense does not totally stop Hillis, the Denver fans who thought Hillis should have gotten playing time in '09 will come from all directions and ask continuously why he let Hillis go.
Lol he is 2-8 in his last 10 games. Yeah, cherry pick all the stats you need. He is 8-8 as a head coach. He will definitely be okay if we go 8-8 and miss the playoffs this year. That's what I'm expecting, with our horrendous rash of injuries on both sides of the ball. He will be here for years, I think. I have loved all his moves and if we have football in 2011, Denver will be in the playoffs.
Delhomme was never above average, don't be fooled by any statistics you see. Carolina has had one of the best running games in the NFL, drawing 8 and 9 into the box and Delhomme just throws up those ducks to Smitty and he makes a play. Delhomme is the only person I've seen throw a football that has no rotation on it at all. It just floats, and frankly, it's amazing. I didn't realize that was possible.
suns said:
I don't think you ever saw this
Lol. Oh, that explains everything! Well after seeing that, I guess Delhomme will be MVP this year. That article was like 2 sentences long, and didn't even explain its point. What was he doing with Delhomme that was so different?
HAHAHAHA.Come back when Moreno is anywhere near on this list, btw Quinn for Hillis was an amazing trade for the Browns, so thanks to Mcdaniels for that one.
Moreno is average, and all we want out of Delhomme is to be consistent and to make smart decisions, and he's been doing that so far. We don't care about big plays or impressing anyone, we just want him to lead to wins.
We have yet to see how that trade works out, though I'll agree Quinn won't ever start for us unless for an injury.
Delhomme threw 8 TD's and 18 INT's last year. Really smart decisions there. He won't get wins either. Carolina was 4-7 with him, then Matt Moore stepped in and led them to a 4-1 record throwing 8 TD's to 1 INT with the same players around him. Matt Moore. But yeah, he'll do great.
4.3 YPC in '09? Look at Hillis' 5.0 in '08. Cleveland is going to see what Denver could have had in .09, '10 ,'11, ... . Believe me, you really don't want to get into a stats war of Hillis vs Moreno. It would be a far more productive use of your time to determine how to get rid of your HC --- quick (and you might want to throw in your GM, too). Or you could continue with your head buried in the sand. Your choice.Denver fans are really going to be upset when they see Hillis' performances in '10 and realize that's what they could have had.
BTW, do I really think we are that much better than last year? Yep! and why, you might ask? Because of Delhomme and Hillis.
You might want to watch Hillis and Delhomme when the Broncos' season goes south about Oct 1. I can't wait to hear your excuses then.
The last thing I would ever want to do is get rid of McDaniels. I have agreed with almost all of his decisions since he was hired. And I really just can't stop laughing when I hear Browns fans think that Delhomme will be a good QB in Cleveland. He is just the definition of awful. And I'll pop back onto this thread Oct. 1 and we'll see how our teams compare if that's what you really want. Delhomme will probably have been benched by then, but we'll see.
But to all the legitimate responses I've gotten, thank you. I'm glad to hear he's doing well, how you feel about him is how we felt about him his rookie year.
Yeah, the Broncos beat last years Browns, but this year's Browns are a much improved team over that one.Moreno did not hit the rookie wall the last four games -- he hit it before game 1 and never recovered. I think you are being pretty arrogant to list his performance with Walter Payton and LT' He never kept offensive coordinators awakem game-planning how to stop Moreno. IMHO he will not be much more than he showed last season. He will certainly never move into the company of LT and Walter Payton.
Moreno averaged 4.3 YPC over the first 12 games of the season. Then he hit the rookie wall, finishing poorly to end with a 3.8 YPC. It's pretty obvious that's what happened. I don't think you understood my point about Payton and Tomlinson. They both had poor YPC their rookie years and ended up being two of the best players at their position ever. I never said that Knowshon was or ever will be as good as either of them. But he will be a damn good player and is certainly better than Jerome Harrison.
And do you really think you're that much better than last year? Your QB is Jake Delhomme. I live in South Carolina, I watched his career with the Panthers. The guy is horrible. Unless you pull a Steve Smith out of thin air for him to throw ducks up and let him make a play, he won't ever impress anyone.
Everytime he got a chance? That's rich. He never got a chance. He only got one chance to carry the ball to any extent -- in 4th quarter garbage time against KC. I posted then that we probably wouldn't see anymore of Hillis because he performed too well and showed up Joshie McDaniels and NO SHOW Moreno. And I was right. McDaniels was more committed to letting Moreno have carries than he was about winning. The only ones who did drop the ball for the Broncos last season were Moreno and McDaniels.Whenever he was on the field:
1) He committed a penalty? On one punt return he had a penalty for a block in the back.
2) Missed a block? Never saw him miss one. NO-SHOW Moreno may have failed to follow the block (which happened a lot!!)
3) Dropped the ball? Fumbled one kickoff. No fumbles from the RB or FB position. Moreno led the team in fumbles.
And you are glad to get rid of him so you could keep the 12th pick of round 1 in 2009 who averaged less than 4 yards per carry, had only two carries for more than 20 yards for the season, had no 100 yard games (despite 2 games against Oakland and 2 games against KC) for the season, led the team in fumbles, and who gained 1 yard or less on 27% of his carries for the season? It would have been a better choice for Joshie McD if Moreno had been the 1st choice of the 12th round instead of the 12th choice of the 1st round. If you think Denver got the top end of the deal, it doesn't take much to impress you.
BEST or BUST? Denver chose to keep its Bust and send one of its Best to the Browns.
You seem to have quite the hate for McDaniels and Denver for a Browns fan. Yeah, Knowshon hit the rookie wall the last 4 games of the season, and averaged 3.8 yards per carry last year. Walter Payton averaged 3.5 YPC as a rookie. LT averaged 3.6 YPC as a rookie. Knowshon will be much improved in his second year with an improved interior offensive line. Zane Beadles and J.D. Walton replace the undersized and overaged Ben Hamilton and Casey Wiegmann, which will help him get the tough yards easier.
BTW, you probably shouldn't rag on Josh McDaniels too much when his team curb-stomped the Browns 26-7 last year. Just sayin.
Brandon Marshall couldn't wait to get out of Denver, and jumped to Miami (Ironic) as well. Did you buy his Miami Jersey yet?
I never said you should become Heat fans. It's just the way the majority of Cleveland fans have villianized him. I still love Marshall and wish him the best in Miami because he did great things for this franchise while he was here. Jay Cutler, however, is a different story....
Well, that is what LeBron James expected of us...that we be fans of HIM, not of the team. F***ing Dumbass. We were only fans of him BECAUSE he was a member of our team.Football/Basketball/baseball are team sports. They are not individual sports like tennis or golf. Why should a Broncos fan give a rats ass about tebow performing well? It would be as stupid as say a Browns fan only hoping the team does well if Brady Quinn were the QB. Anyone that thought that was a feckless f**k.
We root for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back
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Haha I can't believe how Cleveland fans have reacted to LeBron moving on. That man single-handedly did more for that franchise and city than anyone ever had. All of Cleveland was on their hands and knees begging him to stay, and now they act like they don't want him.
At this point we can't answer the question....he is sidelined with some minor injury....not a knock comment....just something that is going to take a while to mend.As a long time Gator season ticket holder, how is Tim fitting in with the team and community??
Everyone who meets him loves him. There is a somewhat large portion of fans at training camp who are just Tebow fans that wear florida jerseys to practice, and the native Denverites are starting to get terribly annoyed and even somewhat hostile over their presence.
First off, I am a Denver Broncos fan. Peyton Hillis' rookie year was extremely impressive, and many fans including myself thought he would grow into a star RB. Then, last year rolled around. Every opportunity he got, he screwed up. Whenever he was on the field, he committed a penalty, missed a block, or dropped a ball. I couldn't have been happier to get rid of him.
My question to all of you, is how is he looking? I've heard a couple good things, which is why I came by to ask. Do you think he will get a good amount of touches in the regular season?
