Man, some of you guys are so blinded by your hatred of Quinn (or anyone from ND) that you don't see the obvious right in front of you.

Fact: both DA and Quinn performed much better LAST year than they have this year, correct? Yes.

Fact: Quinn played fairly well in his 1 1/2 games without the finger injury. Then broke his throwing hand index finger.

FF to this year. BOTH QB's have been horrible...way worse than they ever have in their careers. Why? What is the new constant/variable that they BOTH share that made BOTH perform almost identically bad?

DABOL!!!!!

Do you really think it's a coincidence for BOTH QB's to play THAT bad at the same time and have identical stat lines. They've never been this bad.

But they both have one thing in common... Dabol's offense.

Change the offense and you'll see the QB's play better.

it really isn't whoever is the QB..... it's DABOLL and the OL!!!!! The Offensive play calling sucks! and our QB's have less than a sec. to do something with the ball. Hell, Quinn barely gets out from center and the D is in his grill.

Both DA and BQ were ok/decent/good QB's a year or two years ago. NOW? They both magically turn horrible and put up pretty much the same ugly horrid stats? Hmm, what common aspect do they both have in common?

they both have to run the same putrid offense that their OC is calling.

It's not the QB's guys, it's the OC. I feel bad for the two QB's. They NEVER played this bad before Daboll got here.

But now they both are horrible and almost identical stat lines? No way that happens unless it's the offense they have to run.

Gruden said it last night, "I've never seen so many bubble screens and quick outs. Let the QB throw the ball."

Quinn and DA run the plays Daboll sends in... and they only have .005 to do it with our OL.

let's give Quinn the next 7 games to either prove he has it or he doesn't. I'm sick of Groundhog Day ever damn year. We know DA sucks, let's move on and see what Quinn can do for a good stretch of games. How is that not logical? It beats what the hell DA is doing out there now.

@atenears said:

Oh gee, this is where we get all giddy and pull up any post favoring DA.

How about bringing something to the forum?

We didn't start this DA love thread....you did...... we are just trying to get you up to speed with what the rest of us already know to be the TRUTH.

DA is the worst QB to have this many "chances" in 15 years of the NFL.

And who is this "SoCalDog" ? If he thinks DA sucks, then he is a very smart Dog!

@dawgtracker said:

I agree. I think the train is on the right track. If you can teach the players to do things correctly when you add more talent everything will take care of itself.

why weren't you guys saying "I think we should stay with the young QB Quinn and let him develop." At least he was performing better than DA has.

@atenears said:

Call me an idiot, but I see this coaching staff continuing to work with their young players on getting better each week and staying the course no matter how much the outside sources whine about them.

You know who that reminds me of? Bill Belichick ... I was living in Detroit at the time and not subject to the local media assult on Belichick ... I saw the guy building a soild/strong team, puttingin his guys and building. The local media whined because he removed their donuts from the media room then the room itself to make room for additional locker or training space for the players.

I like what Mangini is doing this year, I like that we are staying with DA and working through everything we can, working with the young receivers and staying the course.

Shoot me ... just stop whining.

Sure...YOU are an idiot..... you're welcome.... If you think Mangina is a future Belichick than, yes, you sir are an idiot. Mangini isn't building anything....he is destroying our franchise and we are the laughing stock of the league. Right there in the front row with Al Davis.

@atenears said:

This thing hasn't been played up this week and perhaps it should be, as I see this as a do or die situation for Derek Anderson on the road in Chicago.

This Passing Offense has got to show improvment today. You can read between the coaches words, staing anywhere from, "I don't think it's time to make a switch to anothe QB just yet" -to- "DA needs to start making connections and stop leaving plays out on the field".

If the Passing game struggles today, Derek Anderson will be replaced and Ratliff or even Quinn and given the Bye-week break to establish some rythmn with the young receivers.

Daboll put a lot of confidence in the receivers. Praised them for making the right reads, doing some good things without the ball and then turned to Anderson and put it on him to get them the ball. DA has been working his tail off to get better, everyone in Berea has buckled down and concentrated on improving. But if we don't see it today, expect changes.

DA may put up very good numbers today, that won't win anyone over as all are looking for consistency here. However, getting something started will go a long ways in helping the offense have something to build on through the Bye-week break.

No pressure has been put on DA, which from past experience is a good thing, but I believe the writing is on the wall ... he has this game and this game alone to ignite a spark.

I'm pulling for Derek Anderson, but can cut my ties if I don't see something today. It won't take much to gain improvement, but improvement is the key.

4 1/2 weeks of DA possibly, no make that literally, being the WORST, most pathetic excuse for an NFL QB in the last 15-20 years and just now you MIGHT be ready to cut ties? LMAO!!! But you "cut ties" with Quinn after 2 1/2 games!!??

When will you DA lovers ever admit it? The guy sucks as no other QB has sucked in 15 years.

hmmm, maybe that's why Mangina still plays him. DA sucks "better" than Quinn.

I mean your pic shows his impeccable form...look at the wide opening...the flexing of the jaw....the outstretched hands.... he's showing his talents right there in the pic. And you guys say Quinn is gay?

Ask Giant fans if they are glad Eli got more chances to start after his first year and a half at playing horribly.

2.5 games in this system.... and people think they can judge his future? IDIOTS....

<crickets>.......

@sez.ej said:

Fortunately for DA he had no real draft ranking to be a bust.. He is just... a bust period. but not a draft bust. not sure that makes me feel any better about him.. He sucks.. I still like Quinn better any day of the week. You will not convince me Quinn is a bust until he gets to play at least 10 consecutive games or more.. Otherwise the verdict is still out.. He may be a bust.. but right now it's because of the coaches not him.

Could not be more true.... finally someone with a brain.

Look at the stats people. DA is HORRIBLE...the thing that has helped the team "move the ball" or "look better" is the change at WR and the changes at OL which then improved the running game. DA has been his usual AWFUL, LAST in the NFL self.

where were these changes in personnel while Quinn was in? Look at who we played as well.

@admin-0 said:

You won't see this ADMIN account voice in on many controversial topics. Sure, my general population name of ATENEARS chimes in and stirs the pot all the time. Some have a problem differentiating, but that's their problem.

I'm writing you from the ADMIN account, hoping you will take what I'm asking much more seriously, being that the Admin will now go on record to ask what some of you have got to be thinking.

Crennel acted like the kid practically wasn't even here. Forced to give him a nod only after ownership and fans voiced in and/or as a last resort.

Mangini felt the same pressure upon taking the job, and when Anderson didn't woe anyone in preseason, Mangini felt like getting this ugly thing out of the way early and started Quinn in the opener.

Since then, to say that this kid has been stuck in the corner would assume that he is in the same room. I don't think the kid is even a part of the Cleveland Browns right now ... I know he ain't in the plans.

Kosar's comments this week cemented the thing. It sounds as if Kosar, after only a few days in the building, has already given up on the kid too.

WTF?

Is this kid that bad? I've never known him to be a poor attitude, but it sure seems that way. Look at his body language on the sideline, he might as well not even be dressed, he sure ain't on his headset listening to the plays and hearing, let alone providing any input. He's on a island ... he's a cast-off.

After 6 games is this kid done?

Quit with the whining about not getting an opportunity. You'd have to be a complete hot-headed jackass to not be in the mix here. He's not a hot-head, that we know of, so does that mean that not only is his attitude poor, does he flat out suck in practice? Is he that dumb in the class room, or what?

Mangini ain't stupid, he ain't going to just not play the kid if he could help.

Could Brady Quinn go down as the biggest bust in NFL history? And is he going to?

This ain't a BQ or DA thread, this is about BQ, WTF?

Did anyone even attempt to make a trade for him and his very managable contract?

Wow, you are even a bigger douche bag than i thought. It's no wonder people are leaving this forum. The admin is a DA fluffer and does nothing but make anti-Quinn posts.

2 1/2 games??? And he's looked better than DA.... that is a FACT you cannot deny.

How about this guy..... WORST in the NFL and Mangina loves him? Our team is doomed for years to come...

ATT CMP % Rt

108 48 44.4 506 4.69 43 2 6 6 41.7 127

FORTY-FOUR % !!!!!!

a FORTY-ONE rating !!!!???

And ignorant fools like ANTEARS or whatever the guy's name is still bends over and takes it for this guy.

@atenears said:

So, I take it that you didn't watch the game? If you did, you were with us feeling real bad for DA as each early drive was killed by dropped passes. You can't always throw it on the money, but when you do 95% of them should be caught, not 30%. Receivers not fighting for the ball, not coming back for it, not sheilding defenders .... can't evaluate DA by the stat line. Couldn't in 2007 and can't today either.

He's not a World Beater, but he probably couldn't have done anything else that he didn't do early on and we just couldn't catch the damn ball.

Ok, now that's two weeks in a row that you use the "dropped passes" excuse for DA sucking. How many times ya gonna use it? Every week? DA is well DA....horrible.

Let the kid Quinn play the rest of the year and we'll know for sure what we have...and/or what we need.

I swear I feel like I'm in Groundhog Day with this organization...the last 3 years is the same thing....DA...Quinn...DA...?

@playgroundlegend said:

I am here to ask this board a question, a question that has been overasked, and probably over done. This question s about the Browns starting QB Derek Anderson in relation to the Browns second string QB Brady Quinn. Does Derek Anderson really move the ball better than Quinn? If so why and how? If not, why would an individual think so? I am going to delve into some simple statistics, opinions and observations to try and answer this question. My main goal is hopefully for us to come to some sort of median consensus. One way or another. Most of all we want our Browns to win, and everyone has their own opinion as to how we can get that done.

First off I would like to delve into some exaples from Dereks 2009 repitaur. First off, Derek first came in to the Baltimore game and proceeded to throw 3 interceptions and post a 30.9 QBR. Second, Derek came into Cincy and played decent. He put up 269 passing yards, 1 pick, 1 PATD, and a 69 QBR. Lastly Derek came into Buffalo and completed 2 passes for the worst QBR of his carreer.

Now when we look back on what we have seen from Derek (it seems much worse in retrospect) we cn see he hasnt really plated that stellar, not even by his standards.

The fact is, DA and BQ so far have played the exact same amount of games (2.5) and many people believe DA moved the offense better. Lets see:

Derek Anderson

l Pass Attempts:84 l Passes Completed:39 l Comp. Percentage: 46.4% l Total PA Yards: 384 l PA TD: 1 l INT: 5 l QBR: 39

Brady Quinn

l Pass Attempts:74 l Passes Completed:45 l Comp. Percentage: 60.8% l Total PA Yards: 400 l PA TD: 1 l INT:3 l QBR: 62.9

Here are some things that I would like to take from these stats and the game situations:

1. People say DA moved the ball better than Quinn, and yet Quinn threw for more yards than DA, AND more completions DESPITE the fact that the O-coordinator did not let Quinn throw the ball as many times as Derek in the same amount of time.

2. During the first 2 games our offensive line was in trouble and had a crapton of false starts, thus lading to a TON of 3rd and longs.

3. Both QB's suffered from bad WR play. Royal dropped tons of passes from both QB's, as did Edwards and other various receivers.

4. DA has had Massaquoi, Quinn never had a chance to use tha weapon, and he still threw more completions and more yards.

5. Quinn diddnt have Fraley at RG until game 3.

6. Harrison diddnt play the first 2 games.

7. Cribbs got DA better field position, than Quinn (due to the fact he was winded running routes for Quinn) and yet DA did not take advantage as the stats show.

8. Quinn diddnt have as many pass plays called, and on the plays that were called, Braylon wasnt trying (not for DA either) and Cribbs sucked as a #2

All of these things hapened and yet we still disagree. It is my belief we should never have benched Quinn, and that we should start him from here on out. What do you think? Did DA really move our team better? He had more 1st downs which is good! I really like his arm, but did it really help any since Quinn still threw for more yards and complete less passes? But then again Quinn had to deal with more 3rd and longs.

Nicely done! Amazes me people on here and Mancock still have hard ons for 2 for 17 Anderception.

@jadbf said:

Doesn't matter what excuses you use for DA when he plays bad, and what you blame for Quinn's problems.

If you can't admit to a bad game by your guy without so many qualifications and excuses, then it's hard to take you seriously.

Agreed,

I have never seen a QB stink up the joint as bad as DA has. 30 something years and I've never seen 2-17 . TWO for SEVENTEEN ???

And guys on here still "pimp" for DA. Unfortunate we have an a-hole for a coach who won't give Quinn a legit shot.

32 Brady Quinn CLE 3 45 74 24.7 60.8 400 133.3 5.4 1 3 21 10 62.9

33 Jake Delhomme CAR 4 70 116 29.0 60.3 782 195.5 6.7 3 8 41 10 60.3

34 Josh Johnson TB 3 43 82 20.5 52.4 382 95.5 4.7 3 4 21 6 57.1

35 JaMarcus Russell OAK 5 51 121 24.2 42.1 606 121.2 5.0 1 4 28 15 47.1

36 Derek Anderson CLE 3 39 84 28.0 46.4 384 128.0 4.6 1 5 21 4 39.0

Yep, DA is THE MAN!!!