@clevelandmilidh said:

4 of your wins came from Cincinnati, Buffalo, San Diego and Minnesota, there a combined 7-22. You've played 3 teams with a winning record while we've played the Steelers 5-2, Ravens 5-2, Chiefs 5-2, Falcons 5-2, Buccaneers 5-2 and Saints 5-3 and could've and should've won most of them.

Both teams give up 3.9 yards per carry, your defense gives up more points a game despite playing lesser opponents and your pass defense has been non-existent ranking 31st in the NFL.

We've run the ball well on some of the top run stopping defenses in the league, there's no reason we can't be effective against the Pats. If we can take advantage of your pass D and be balanced on offense it will keep your O off the field. Our D has gotten better every week and embarrassed a potent Saints offense last week. Its going to be close, like every game we've played so far. But win the turnover battle, stay balanced on offense and we have a good chance to win.

finally someone with a thought in their head!

as for records, your opponents records will be alot better when you are the worst team in your division. as for your wins, the saints was a good one. cin has the same bottom-of-afc-north 2-5 as yourselves. if the pats lost their games, their opponents records would be 13-16. not great, but not bad. if you had beaten your opponents, they would have a much more comparable record to the pats opponents, but you punish the pats for winning games. plus that game against buffalo is a huge offset (0-7). the pats path this year will be more clear after playing teams like pit indy and the jets again.

we have also ran the ball on some top defenses, and with a bunch of nobodies. however, the nfl this year makes stats even more meaningless that usual as im sure youre all aware. only one thing matters, and thats wins/losses. the cowboys? they were supposed to be great, but no. the chargers? they are a great team according to stats, but have the same number of losses as the browns. the pats have gotten dominated in time of possession and a few others, but we win games, and theres no argument against that

@peterbell said:

I wonder what Belichick's career looks like without #12?

If any Pat's fans think NE is coming to Cleveland and walking all over

THESE Browns your out of your f**kin mind.

They better strap up those Ridell Rvolution Helmets and Power Pads

and get ready for some vilolence on Sunday in Cleveland Stadium

because we're bringing BIG wood come 1:00

ok ok ok caught this one on my way out... lol

2008 when brady was knocked out in 2008, the pats still went 11-5. bradys a great player, but belichick is the greatest coach

@massbrownsfan said:

LOL Its not a good Idea to be near me on Sunday at all lol all 16 Guys will be here at 10 Am I will fire up the Grill Fresh Venision steaks,Lots of beer and Lots of Fights lol Good Luck cya at the DawgPound GO BROWNS.FYI I live on the cape.

id also put a good bet that you couldnt post a picture of your 16 "friends" in their browns gear come monday

@massbrownsfan said:

AMEN The Great Zombo

well, ill take your hatred for my team as pride like always do... because we win... alot. no one talks crap about the browns because we dont have to. as for me talking a bunch of crap, i dont think i did once. all i did was come in here looking for a friendly analysis lol. have fun watching the game, i know i will!

one last thing before i go, id bet almost anything that hillis doesnt have a big game. just like every other back weve faced this year

@theclevelandsound said:

2. I am not familiar with Brace. Wilfork is good ill give you that.

3. Apparently you don't watch alot of football accept for your own team, because Hillis has been in the top 10 fantasy running backs all year...you have to be good for that. Not just an endzone back.

4. Once again, you must not watch alot of football because 6 out of the 7 kickers this year have kicked away or tried to kick away from Cribbs this year because of his already acclaimed hall of fame status. Nice try. The Browns haven't allowed a special teams TD since 2008, and before that, 2004.

5. This is a mute point.

Bonus: You know nothing about the Cleveland Browns

Double Bonus: We will have 2 rushing TDs against you this week.

3. i watch every game that is available to me each week, and i stream others. your team is ranked 22nd in yards per carry (http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt) hillis is 17th in the league in rushing (good, not great)

4. i watch alot of football, but i tend to not watch the browns because, as you must agree, they dont play many relevant games in the afc.

5. it is a moot point. that was my point

bonus: you may not know as much as you think about your team

@massbrownsfan said:

Dont waste your time alot of the Pats fans around here are Wagon Jumpers screw them Better not to say anything they wont show up after the Game I have 6 Guys already calling in sick for work on Monday Buncha Wimps Know im oing to give them crap when the browns beat that ass.

regardless what percentage of a teams fans a bandwagoners (and i assume youre basing that on nothing), i am not. im not trolling (if you think im bad you should see the crap we put up with on my board). as for your confidence in the outcome, id love to be able to place a wager with you on the game. getting back to my original post, i think only 1 or 2 people have actually given me any kind of analysis. your fan base doenst know football or what? cmon guys lets talk football

@earl34 said:

2. I wasn't talking about your d-line but rather your FRONT. They're not any better than Pittsburgh or Baltimore or New Orleans. That's all I said.

3. Danny Woodhead. Yes, I know the man well. I've seen him several times in person. He's a pro that warms your heart. He's also 5'7' and isn't going to stand up to the pounding. Danny Woodhead is a kid to root for in this league no matter who your team is. He isn't necessarily going to put you over the top.

4. This statement is simply moronic. I am not even going to grace that with a response.

5. Don't kid yourself, it means a TON to Bill Belichick. Recent history has proven to us why Bill didn't want to see Eric go to the Jets. The last time these two met you had Welker, Ben Watson, Faulk AND Moss and Mangini's Jets beat you in your building on national TV. Your coach got outcoached into ridiculous challenges, personnel mismatches and squandered his time outs. Bill's just a little nervous when Mangini rolls into town. Amongst the Belichick coaching tree, Mangini's track record is better than Romeo's and Charlie Weis'. I'll take him in a big game over Josh McDaniels any day.

bonus: point taken but there's always a first...

3. he managed to stand up pretty well to the ravens front 7. he shouldnt take too many big hits in his career and if he does it wont be along one. not saying hes the savior either, but he does play the very effective kevin faulk role excellent.

4. did you read my post about our special teams? i just checked and your team still doesnt have a special teams td blocked punt or blocked fg. your fg kicked is9 for 11 which is excellent, but i think thats all youve done this season on special teams

@theclevelandsound said:

2. False. Gerrard Warren? C'MON MAN!

3. AP, LT are good. The rest...average.

4. We have Joshua Cribbs. You have....

5. Nothing like a good old grudge to bring the best out in people. Bill Bellichek is still pissed about spygate, you can bet your ass on that.

Bonus: Our defense has given up one rushing TD all season.

Double bonus: Peyton Hillis (our RB) has scored a TD in 6 of the last 7 games.

2. gerrad warren is coming along. ron brace proved he can set the edge quite nicely, and wilfork has been playing all over and has to be one of the bets defensive players in the league (definitely on the pats)

3. ap, lt are pretty good, the rest... better than hillis

4. brandon tate has 2 tds on kickoffs so far and has one of the best averages in the league. we have a blocked punt, a blocked fg, a kicker who consistently forces kickoffs for touchbacks is on a 10 fg streak and is the most accurate kicker in patriots history (yes, more accurate than adam v) and one of the most accurate in nfl history. how many tds does cribbs have on returns so far? o ya, our rooke punter zoltan "master of the universe" mesko, when he does see the field, with his huge leg is a big reason why we are third in the league in net punting yards (avg 40.6 per punt)

5. noone in new england cares about "spygate" anymore, and bill was the first to get over it. since "spygate" the pats are 42-12. i dont think he cares

bonus: our defense has steadily improved each week, and i expect them to take a big jump against the browns offense.

double bonus: our defense (dispite all those backs i mentioned with a nose for the endzone) has only allowed 3 rushing tds all season

@earl34 said:

OK....here's five reasons why the Browns could beat the Pats

1. No deep threat. We cover shallow routes well. Brandon Tate doesn't scare me any more than the Saints receivers

2. The Browns offensive line has handled two defensive fronts better than yours in the last two weeks and done well.

3. Peyton Hillis. If he ran all over the Ravens he can run all over you. Time of possession is key.

4. Special Teams. Ours are as good as anyone's.

5. Bill is always good for a brain fart here and there against Eric because Eric is in his head.

Bonus: You will be one dimensional on Sunday. The Browns have allowed one 100 yard rusher this season and a chunk of his yards came on one play and he was under 3 yards a carry otherwise.

That's obviously the best case scenario. There's certainly reasons why we won't win....but we can be optimists until 1pm Sunday.

good points. i agree any given sunday of course, but i have a few disagreements:

2. our dline arent a bouch of slouches. they arent the best, but they are very stout against the run

3. while i agree the ravens have a very good front, they allowed danny woodhead (who, you say?) to average 5.5 ypc in our game against them this year. on the other hand. our front has faced adrian peterson, LT, cj spiller, marshon lynch, ricky williams, ronnie brown and ray rice, and our run d is still ranked 9th.

4. special teams. ours are better

5. i can give you this, and i also think this matchup of former coaches aspect means more to mangini than bb. they have long since parted ways, and mangini has largely proven wasnt ready for the task.

bonus: our defense has yet to allow a 100-yard rusher. period.

@miktoxic said:

the NE sports fans are more obnoxious than even yankee fans (sorry wrrebel). talk about preppie posh posers. it's fun to watch a guy with a cardigan tied around his neck rooting for his sports team like he's some MMA champ.

BROWNS 17

PATS 13

THROW THAT IN YOUR CHOWDA patsy.

actually the yuppies youre refering to are probably from Connecticut. in which case, most of those people tend to be giants fans or yankees fans... so....

hmm not quite what i was expecting there. probably shouldnt go to tourtured fans and ask their opinion i guess

hey all, pats fan here. im not too familiar with the browns this season (although i did watch you guys beat the saints, nice work), so i was wondering what everyone here thought the odds of beating the pats are this weekend. who, in your minds, are the elite teams this year (if any)? being uninformed, i think my pats should win handily on sunday, but i would like the opinions of the local fans for perspective

good luck! no injuries!