What we should be hearing from theese 2 clowns is, Umm we just got fired..

To many non fixible problems with this wholw regime to even discuss so we unfortunately get to start over again..

Outside of the first two picks, none..

All undersized, underspeed and or mediocre prospects..

Farmer traded down and left a lot of good talent at 43 to go dumpster diving instead..

As a fan this was a seriously disheartening move that requires further explaination as to why they brought in McCown over Hoyer, we all know hoyer was not the answer but he had the teams respect and proved he could win some games but now we are stuck with a consummate loser and 2 less than impressive journeymen..

It may be hard to stomach watching any games this year especially with the new uniforms likely featuring loser shit brown pants and an over the hill QB that has never been a winner..

Hoyer is mediocre at his best but that was enough to keep us in the playoff picture until the O-line collapsed, bringing in someone elses secondhand trash at QB like say cutler isnt going to improve the browns any at all but is garuanteed to set us back and JF nor shaw will be able to get it done..

My honest evaluation of the situation is the brass needs to find a way to bring hoyer back in the fold, afterall he is technically the rightful starting QB and the best we have had in a long time until someone can "legitimately" beat him out..

Getting some WR talent and a durable TE around hoyer would be a good start, along with replacing scwartz..

Blame should go where the bonehead is at..

Ray farmer sucks..

Glad to see im not alone in my rather harsh but honest "early assessment" of coach Pettine..

Hopefully he will eventually get it but i really would not count on it..

Possibly the worst coach the browns have ever hired..

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/08/cleveland_browns_mike_pettine_10.html

@dick-mellon said:

They should have several Johnny Scramble packages to get that playmaker on the field for a few snaps a game.

They dont have time to get the first team ready let alone adding johnny packages...

After the stoolers lay hoyer out for the year compliments of mitchell schwartz we will get to watch an unprepared johnny rook run for his life and trying to avoid the same fate....

I think pettine is a goner, one and done unless he magically gets it by week 8 and starts turning things around..

Thusfar my early impression of coach pettine is far worse than RAC, Mangini or Shurmur and that is a mouthful..

The QB derby has to be viewed as a boneheaded decision by most fans regardless of if you are a manzielot or a hoyer homo, by not making an ironclad decision to go with one guy and stick to it rather it be his dynamic but raw rookie or brian hoyer, Pettine has created a mess for himself and everyone else..

If the trajectory of this coach does not change only a fool would want this guy for a coach for more than a year..

Instead of zipping it up he needs to pack it up..

Possibly the worst coach we have ever had and that is saying a mouthful..

He seems to lack about everything you want to see in a head coach..

No fire..

No guts..

No future..

As pissed as haslam looks one has to wonder if pettine will survive until the bye week..

Honestly it would not bother me if haslam fired pettine today, the guy appears to have all the makings of an absolute turd..

He has no fire on the sideline and winning does not seem to be important to him..

He is like RAC with a streak of mangini stupidity and less football acumen than them both..

No surprise here, its just what you expect and are use to as a browns fan..

Schwartz and Greco are the weak links on the offensive line..

I am far from impressed with either of them..

Jordan Cameron lacks durability and injures pretty easily so i do not consider him an underutilized player but rather a fragile player that has to be utilized less often..

If they try to use cameron like winslow as a hybrid WR he will not last long..

Delaying a choice until next week is delaying a starter from getting reps and building a much needed rhythm regardless of the choice..

While they both stunk it up last night manziel thusfar has performed very slightly better with far fewer reps with the first team throughout training camp..

I am of the opinion pettine should give johnny finger the start, imo neither of them have earned the job but johnny finger has managed to catch up and has slightly better game stats showing that he will likely bypass hometown hoyers abilities when given all the first reps..

The worst thing that happens in this scenario is johnny rook cant get it done/gets hurt and hoyer the 6 year veteran backup takes over doing what he has always done..

If brian gets the nod and then gets hurt we would be back to square one with johnny rook not having enough work with the ones to have a rhythm possibly losing even more games..

I am betting that the browns will name hoyer the starter not because he is better than manziel but because he is better groomed, has more poise and is less spontaneous than JR..

Hoyer can work with the no huddle as well but he does not possess the true dual threat that manziel does and if our running game isnt broken he shouldnt need to..

I like both hoyer and manziel but it is obvious that at 21 yrs old with only 2 years of college damage manziel has potentially considerably more upside than hoyer..

As far as the QB derby goes it wasnt open or fair as it was advertised to be and it should come as no surprize when hoyer gets the start against shitsburgh which i am good with.

Coach isnt going to go into much detail as to why hoyer is the better of the two but my guess is that johnny rookie is struggling a bit with reading nfl defenses and gets happy feet a tad to early and he often seems to struggle to read the 2nd or 3rd WRs progression before taking off..

Which wil make the coaches nervous..

The kid has all the spiderman senses to evade sacks and extend plays for our sucky WR corp but needs to try and stay in the pocket and read through his progressions before jetting off with the ball wildly bouncing around in one hand..

Looking like another 5 win or less season to me regardless of who starts.

We once again have a mediocre starting line up with no talent or depth on the second/third teams..

If pettine starts mr delicate (hoyer) with the second team guys during the pre-season he will not make it to start in the pukesburg game..

Yet again the lack of capability on either side of the ball and the obvious lack of coaching disipline with the second team thusfar is downright scary..

Manziel looked like colt mccoy 2.0 and saying the second team offensive line looked leaky was a severe understatement..

Pettine looks like a white copy of romeo crennel on the sideline while kyle shanahan looked more like the head coach another zombie dud defensive coach?

Hoping for a 5 win season may be asking to much of this bunch..

I voted for manziel however i am a huge hoyer fan as well..

Most of us should want (for once) to see an honest and fair QB competition and we should all want to see the genuinely best prepared player start rather its johnny or brian....

GO BROWNS!

The browns merely got a tit for a tat on day one nothing more and nothing less..

The big FA splash that as usual never developed for the browns is over and as usual the browns appear to only break even or a bit better on paper..

IMHO Farmer definitely missed some opportunities and has failed to shore up anything thusfar ..

Haslam and his weak arse regime can go fudge themselves as far as i am concerned.

This team is finished..