@jibz said:As long as we have an owner that looks at "The Browns" as a product, a means to make money we will always be stuck in the losing rut. Many times an owner can make almost as much money putting out a losing team as a winning team...they only care about profit, not us. We need to not buy any Browns products this year to cut into the owners profit, then and only then will he care..... we need an owner who loves football like a Payton Manning...some one who loves football like us. Otherwise we are stuck. I disagree- Haslam sunk millions of his own money into stadium upgrades. I really believe he DOES care. He's not happy seeing an empty stadium, sold out, but the fans don't bother to show up- and can you blame them? Now if you want to talk about an A-hole owner, let's talk about the guy who owns the Rams. St. Louis & Missouri are virtually kissing his ass to stay, and apparently it isn't good enough.

There certainly does seem to be a very high probability that since 99, with such a high % of losses and losing seasons, the blame must lie with the GM and/or coaching staff. Taking the good arguments laid out above it would appear that currently Pettine and probably O'Neil are largely at fault. The key next question for me is, does Pettine have the potential to become a good HC (given his rookie status)? Even if the answer is yes he might still get cut if Gruden pushes his desire to lead the Browns. Actually, more fundamental to this is why have our owners hired so many HC failures and fired the only decent one we have? I guess that is all in the past, but we can learn from the past so hopefully Haslam will have done so. Even with our mighty tough schedule this year it is hard to defend our current run of form so Pettine must know his lifespan as HC of the Browns is fast coming to an end. However, please try not to choose another rookie HC if at all possible. One other point. There seems to be a number of posters (guessing younger ones) who are thoroughly upset at our standing in the game and I have read a number of comments about starting the franchise afresh. Even if that was possible (and I don't think it is and better not be) the Cleveland Browns are one of the great historic franchises of American football. The current extended run of poor form is not a reflection on Cleveland or its terrifically loyal fan base (proven in my mind to be the best in America because of this recent drought). It comes down to owners picking the right GM and HC imo. For most of the last 16 years that has been the problem. Any franchise can turn it around- look at the Patriots. Our time will come again.

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I hate shitty treats! Thanks Shurmer!

It kind of disturbs me that I hate a Pittspukeian more than a Palestinian hates a Jew.

FACT: This team has gotten better each week. (Which is great to see with so many young guys) FACT: Our schedule has been brutal. (Especially considering all the rookies we have been starting) Next couple games: @IND, SD, BAL, then the BYE Let's win 2 out of 3 and go into the bye with 3-6... right? maybe The end of the year looks like: @DAL, PIT, @OAK, KC, WAS, @DEN, @PIT Really, do any of those last 7 games look un-winnable right now??? Not saying we're going to win them all, but we have a chance to finish much stronger than we started. OR, we could lose them all. I just don't know how optimistic/pessimistic to be, but it doesn't look like we'll be picking #1 next year anymore.

We would be much better off with building a new stadium. CBS was built very quickly and cheap. We won't get it, but we could use a new stadium.

Just nice to know wont have to be subjected to a no talent player like Colt! What a relief I thought we were going to have another year of toe ball colts favorite place to throw the ball.

@mark-o said: What's a touchdown? It's when you're not in Kansas anymore.

This topic seems to be an invitation for the Squeelers fans to come in and unleash their frustration with the good old joke on us never winning anything...

@bearcatbrownsfan13 said:They were pretty bad. Chris Rose is actually a Browns fan he was born in Shaker Heights. oh, so he's Jewish? lol

Holmgren pleased with Rogers, but expects a suspension Posted by Michael David Smith on May 23, 2010 11:07 AM ET Cleveland Browns President Mike Holmgren says he's happy with the way defensive tackle Shaun Rogers has conducted himself at offseason workouts. But Rogers' conduct away from the team facility -- when he was arrested for gun possession -- likely means the Browns can't count on him for 16 games this year. Holmgren told the Cleveland Plain Dealer he expects some sort of suspension for Rogers, and that he hopes to discuss the matter with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell at the league meetings in Dallas this week. "I'm pleased with how he's working here," Holmgren said of Rogers. "I think he messed up and he knows it. But I like how he's working. Hopefully, he won't make the same mistake again." Rogers has attended offseason workouts, but isn't yet completely recovered from the ankle injury he suffered last season

Sivlerback DPOY said:On a day when the Steelers are still the Super Bowl champs, its great to see one of the best corners in league history get voted into the HOF. Congrats Dick Lebeau! The Browns probably shouldn't have cut you.... Well S~Back we cut Unitas and Dawson. SO... all teams have skeletons in the closet.

Its not quinn its not da f@#k mangini fire him right now!!! He royally xxxxed this franchise

@4browns said:I finally had to register and post- been lurking a long time. welcome to thunderdome.

the contract with the city(we paid for stadium) they can't relocate the Browns! no buy out...lease up 30 years from 99'.....

The one thing I like about Mangini is that when he drafted a rookie, he gave them a chance to play. He realy coached up the rookies and let them go out and play. He stated while he was with the Jets that rookies make a few mistakes, but they are excited to play and play hard to impress the coaches. I think one of RACs biggest problems was that he basically ignored our rookies. He didn't even want to play them on special teams.