@orion said: Yes, they invested high draft picks on the OL & DL.  That and their talented skill players make them a good team.  Hopefully Zinter plays well for us. Not all of them were high draft picks on the OL.  Their LT Mailata was a 7th round pick.  The only 1st round pick they have on their OL is Lane Johnson.  The other 3 starers were 2nd and 3rd round picks.  A couple backups they drafted were G Trevor Keegan 5th Round 2024 (Michigan), C/G Dylan McMahon 6th Round 2024 (NC State),  They DID sign a former 1st round pick from the Jets as a UFA - Mekhi Becton to backup either OT spot and he ended up filling in for injuries at G and T.  In fact, we saw a lot of him in the SB. To your point though - their DL does have a lot of high round picks.  Their IDL/DT position were back to back 1st round picks from Georgia from a FO guy that believes you build your defense from the inside out.  If anyone paid particular attention to what unfolded in the SB - Philly's IDL tied up 3 blockers freeing up glory from favorable numbers for DL teammates to exploit frequently, or better put - all game long.    Philly also has productive 1st round picks at other positions like rookie CB Quinyon Mitchell (Toledo), WR DeVonta Smith 2021 (Bama).  Here's a couple 2nd round picks of theirs' CB Cooper DeJean 2024 (Iowa) and QB Jalen Hurts 2020 (Oklahoma/Bama). Roseman didn't waste draft picks on kickers. I just wish Berry learned more about the draft when he was working under Roseman in Philly. However, I suppose that is a lot easier with a more football competent owner in Philly. The point of all this?  When you have a FO like Philly that knows what it is doing in the draft (with rookie salary caps on the 1st contracts) - I think they've been able to maintain a fairly healthy salary cap while being a fun team for their hometown fans to follow.

This penalizes you for scoring.   I say, if you kick it into the end zone, they can either return it or take possession on their own 20.   No penalizing the scoring team.  

@orion said: A real bad injury.  Multiple surgeries for it.  Give him all the time he needs.  If we could have him for a playoff push, that'd be great. And to add, the recover and rehab take about a year but the operations didn't happen until Oct and again in Nov.  The recover and rehab doesn't start with the injury.  It starts after the operation.  You don't sustain an injury like that and get operated on the next day.

I understand they want to make the game safer but they will never fully eliminate head injuries or concussions, just look what happened to Elijah Moore. I don't even see a foul in that video posted. 

@vaportrail said: @dutch-oven, @hoorta, @korsou-dawg Still think I'm full of shit? What the hell are you whining about? 

@mjp28 said: A crock anyhow ?  The thing is  (some)  players do NOT want to risk  (further)  injuries now on these awards,  would  you do it ?   They have a good point here. It's not like in previous years when you would  "play for the sheid" and all of that.   Again would you do it ?   They have a good point here. It's NOT A CROCK it's a legitamite point and award the Pro Bowl,  the best of the rest  it's too bad that in a  "game" where the injury rate is so high that it's not worth playing and risking getting an injury  is just too  high  to play. It's NOT A CROCK except maybe unless you're a kicker.    It is a good award for Hopkins,  regardless of those other guys you named. Simple enough ?   Hopkins a 2023 Pro Bowl kicker - GREAT !     Is a crock because there are guys that deserve the award or go to the Pro Bowl but don't get votes. Other guys I missed Corey Bojorquez and Ethan Pocic that probably won't make it either. If all the guys I listed don't make it then it's a damn shame. Not saying Hopkins doesn't deserve it, I'm saying the other guys deserve it too.

@tiamat63 said: And sideline announcers are basically ...well this one was saying that Tillman has got to flatten that route out.  Now, I couldn't see the game because it was on amazon...but I'm pretty sure that it was a pass into the end zone.

@orion said: Imagine if he was fleet afoot.  I mean, he had everything else you need.  He was tall, smart (never fooled by a defense), a strong enough arm, accurate enough...and a real 'team' guy.  He'd do anything for his team mates.  He'd be in the HOF. Agreed!

@flugel said: ? Thanks for the 2 minute abs Orion!  That's a gem.  I shared once upon a time I played on one of the dumbest football teams that ever existed my freshman year.  The crazy thing was I loved every damn one of them.  We couldn't ever go on 2 because the RT next to me couldn't count that high.  He was bigger than all of the fathers; and man he could hit-n-ruin someone.  Every time we went with a quick count, he never got out of his stance.  Every time we tried to go on 2 - he went on 1.  His 1st name was Neil.  Whenever we broke the huddle and got to the line of scrimmage - he forgot the count.  Inevitably here comes the "Hey Flugel what's it on man?"  It's on 1 Neil.  Per usual , 1 game this went on every single play for about 3 series.  Finally, the guy lined up across from me caught us off-guard with "Flugel I got this - It's on 1 Neil."   After the play, the guy asked me - "Is Neil the only one out here that doesn't know you guys go on 1 every single play?"   I said yes but I don't have the heart to tell him because then he's gonna ask me why.   He said "you guys are hilarious."  LOL LOL ! You've told me that story before, and it is freaking hilarious every time !!! LOL

@dutch-oven said: Black piping? That's brown, sir.  I stand corrected! Never seen a uniform up close unfortunately, and in pictures the piping always looks black to me.  Always wondered why the Browns didn't have any brown on their uniform...

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@flugel said: Well said! Even worse, they know Joe Fields will get 100% of the blame for the results of playing gridiron chess with their chosen ones up front.     It would be like challenging someone to chess match; and letting them use all of their attack pieces and pawns while you have to give up everything but the King and pawns to attack you opponent exclusively with pawns.  Tell me how long it's possible to look smart being the team attacking only with pawns... Any DCoordinator would be behind the proverbial 8 ball being handed a defense with the honestly pathetic "talent" at DTackle, but it doesn't explain how disorganized the defense looked in the first half of the season.  But I kind of think Woods will be brought back. In fact, I don't see any real changes in philosphy or the coaching staff. I still think Stefanski calls the offense next year too. 

@unsympathetic said: He's paid like a WR1; that was likely a salary dump. Note that every former top player falls off eventually... Tampa guaranteed Devin White's 11M 2023 salary and he's already looking like he's not NFL level any more. Absolute salary dump.  How much bigger was the contract we inherited with Cooper than the contract we inherited when we traded for Jarvis Landry? Because I really like Jarvis, but Cooper is just better. 

@dutch-oven said: Phil Dawson went 8-12 his rookie season (1999). Of his ten field goal attempts between 30-49 yards, he only made six. He attempted no 50+yard kicks. this ^^ and the Bagels, higher drafted kicker Evan McPherson was far better in his 2nd season.. lets see how far/where Cade's kicks travel in the cold ️