Homotron said:
All of this and fine and good aside from the women wearing Steeler Jersey's and the Polamalu thing. Why can't women wear jerseys? and what's wrong with Polamalu?
Drunk when I wrote it. Girls in jerseys turn me on. Girls that don't know football and try to talk about it piss me off. Polamalu? Face of the Steelers more than anyone else. That's enough reason for me to dislike him.
Dermontti Dawson jersey? That I wouldn't mind.
Leave the league to determine what is fair or illegal. Their rules, their league. If the players don't like it, they can find another job or take it up with their union. End of story. Everyone needs to stop bitching and resulting to name calling.
The Steelers beat us. Do I hate most of their fans? Yes. Any woman wearing a Steelers jersey pisses me off. Anyone wearing a Polumalu jersey pisses me off. Call it being conditioned to despise stupidity. I see it like this.
I started following the Browns when a guy I played ball with got a chance with the Browns in 2009. You don't ignore history, but I can't claim to be a Browns' fan because of their history, because I came about afterwards. The same way anyone that starts chanting about their 6 trophies pisses me off. "We won 6 championships!!!" is as relevant as the city of Cleveland's pre merger championships. All that really matters is the current state of the team. Get better, or get beat. That is all that really matters to me.
Give up debating one play, one player, one game. Enjoy the process (or enjoy criticizing it) of putting a team on the field that can compete, regardless of rain, snow, rule changes, or media bias. Just win!
Homotron said:
Please you and everyone else on this message board would take James Harrison in a New York minute. Why don't you read the article I posted where one of Cleveland's very own defends Harrison. Oh and it just so happens to be a player he concussed. Imagine that..... *durrrrr de durrrr durrr*
You left out the part about them being former college teammates and I'm guessing friends outside of the game.
Why are we still talking about Harrison?
F U ... I went to OU, and let me tell you. It's not OSU, but it's a damn good atmosphere for a college game. You obviously haven't been to OU for the Halloween celebration or homecoming weekend. At least OU doesn't pad their schedule by playing teams from a whole freaking Division below them every year, only to choke come the big game!
He meant because of the hallucinogens and such, if I understood him correctly.
I don't have the time to do a complete evaluation of every player to come out of college, but for what it's worth, I'd collaborate with other members to make this possible. Maybe each person can handle a certain conference? I'm not well known here, so feel free to take my offer with a grain of salt, but things like this really interest me. I want to see what kind of correlation a players conference and team record have on their success as a whole, adjusted for their draft slot even if possible.
Nope... If we lose to Baltimore I am Over it by the Next game. If we lose to Cleveland I aint over it till the Next time we Beat them. I have literally 20 Friends who are Steeler fans and they All feel the same way. Your a Fraud dude. Or So Young you dont know the history of Pittsburgh Steeler Football.
I'll go ahead and begin my anecdote.
I have two friends. One whose Steeler fandom has been passed down from his father, a very funny, knowledgeable , and all around good guy. He knows Steeler history like the fingerprints on his Terrible piss covered Towel waving hands. I can respect that fan. He knows who picked off Kordell Stewart in November of odd numbered years. I have another friend,"Cody", who, last season decided he "would pick" a team. Lo and behold he chose the Steelers. Now, when he says to me that they are 3 and 1 and we are 1 and 4, I have no reasonable rebuttal. They have won that amount of games, we have lost them. But as soon as this xxxx head 2004 Red Sox fan, part time Cubs fan in an area full of Reds fans and he has no ties to anywhere near Chicago, and overall dumbass starts talking about "his" teams' 6 Lombardi trophies, I calmly remind him that his team changes every G** d*** year and that he has been a fan of a team who has won zero Lombardi trophies, the same as the Browns, since he decided to start gulping on Hines Ward's cock. You have those kinds of fans because you have been successful, and it is enviable in some aspects. But at the same time, if the Browns were to win 2 trophies in a short time period, I would not be able to stop from embarrassing this ass hole wearing his TJ Ward jersey and would hate him spewing off at the mouth about how great "his" team is. This board has been recently been filled with a ton of Cody's because of the game coming up. I like the insight Bunsofsteel and Homotron provide here most of the time. Gafreleets seems to get his rocks off by clicking like on anything any of his shit talking bretheren spew from their mouths, but I like having real football fans here. Everyone that wants to come here and throw out an "lol Modell anal raped the Browns like the Steelers will because we have Troy and Ben and a bunch of other players I can't name" can go eat a bag full of dicks as far as I'm concerned.
With a quick looking over, 10% or so are from the SEC. Saying one player doesn't look fast from a conference is just as dumb as saying a 4th string CB at Florida is better than a #1 from the PAC 10. Whether or not the Ohio State fans want to admit it, the SEC has been the best conference in the land lately. We don't have many SEC players, and we haven't competed. Correlation or causation? I'll leave everyone else to decide that.
I agree that no single back on our roster is the solution. But for anyone to argue that Hillis is better than Harrison just goes to show that they don't know a hell of a lot about football.
Better isn't the word I used. I said Harrison is not the do it all feature back that some people are trying to wish into existence. For the record, I don't think Hillis is either. The FO doesn't think so either, because they used a 2nd round pick on a RB a couple of months after Harrison walked on water at the end of the year and a month or so after they brought in Hillis. The NFL is a running back by committee league right now, with some exceptions. Jamaal Charles had a similar end to last year, and his carries have been split evenly with Thomas Jones. Swapping the roles of the two RB's wouldn't change the outcome of the two games. They both coughed up the ball. Poor decision making and turnovers out of our stumbling offense as a whole have brought us to where we are today, not because someone's favorite of the two didn't dominate the carries.
I know it's not your intention to say so, but I can't figure out why people here will only settle for one feature back. It's rare to find a back that runs between the tackles, catches out of the backfield, moves the chains on 3rd and 1, and picks up blitzes on 3rd and long. It takes two (in most cases) capable backs to be effective in all aspects of the game. People (not necessarily fans) here just seem to love breaking up into factions so they have something to argue about. No single back on our roster is the solution.
Edit: I don't see Harrison as an integral or irreplaceable part of the Browns offense, regardless of where some of you guys drafted him in your fantasy league.
the channelsurfing link is working as of right now. Kind of choppy video, but the audio is acceptable.
Homotron said:
Forsett is the starter in Seattle and while I agree there are guys that get hot on the wire a lot of those guys are being drafted. I usually like to keep my horse on the good teams. CJ is certainly the focal point of the Titans but he's also going to rely heavily on the consistency or inconsistency of Vince Young. People are going to really key on Johnson as well. The offense in Minnesota even without Sidney Rice is more potent especially with the return of the drama queen. If I had the number one pick in my draft and had to choose I'd be going CJ but he's not heads and shoulders above AD and Housh will get the catches in Seattle. I dunno. It's just not a trade I'd make. And is the guy in question IN a PPR league? He may not be and in standard scoring the difference between the two backs is minimal.
I agree with what you've said here. CJ was approximately 60yds per game better with Vince at the controls I believe though. Does he repeat that? Who knows. I agree Johnson isn't head and shoulders better than Peterson. I like the Vikings, A LOT, don't get me wrong. My argument I guess is whether Housh is worth even considering a week in week out starter. Housh is his best in a PPR league, so, in my opinion, if he were in a different format Housh is even more easiy replaceable. I see both their (AP and CJ) stats returning to nearly even totals. My big problem is with Housh. He was less than two points better per game than Chris f'in Chambers last year, and a mid level WR3. I just don't value Housh, the same way I didn't trust Dwayne Bowe in 09.
I see the trade as Chris Johnson plus a waiver wire pickup for AP and more or less a waiver wire caliber player. Call me wrong, just my opinion.
Homotron said:
EDIT: And what stats are you looking at? 700 less total yards? CJ barely beat out Peterson in receiving yards and catches and only had 193 more yards on the ground.
I believe he was looking at the 2009 NFL stats for some reason.
CJ: Rushing Yards: 2006 Receiving yards: 503 Total Yards: 2509
AP: Rushing Yards: 1383 Receiving yards: 436 Total Yards: 1819
2509-1819= 690 yds.
Not quite 700, but close right?
He had 600 more yards on the ground. You were right with the receiving yards though.
Also, here are their total fantasy points for 2009 in a PPR league.
CJ: 360 total
AP: 292 total
68 point difference. Accounting for a 16 game schedule, Johnson outscored him by 4.25 points per week.
So the question is, is TJ Houschmazoadazilla 4.25 points better than your average guy off the wire?
T.J. was the number 26 receiver in this format. A WR3. He scored 149 points or 9.3125 per week.
Mario Manningham was number 30. He scored 133 points, or 8.3125 per week.
Chris Chambers was 40. He scored 118 points or 7.375 per week.
Giving up T.J. just leaves an open spot on your roster to pick up a young guy getting hot. There's no throwing in anything extra. It all comes down to who is more valuable to you between CJ and AP. TJ's stats were a dime a dozen. Hasslebeck is still in a bad position, I like Forsett but he won't get his shots, and Seattle is still not a good team.
The Bills made a bad pick.
Jackson is a good back. Lynch can play well. What is Spiller going to contribute?
@sipeboy said:
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Why are you here?
Earl,
I can't stand listening to Michael Irvin talk.
I've never watched a draft with such anxiety and hopefulness. We need guys that can contribute for the next 7 to 10 years. In my opinion, no one player is going to make us a Super Bowl contender immediately.
@junkyard-dawg said:
Shit man in this day and age parents are TEACHING their kids how to break and enter.
It's sad, but you're right. Whether they're providing them with the lock picking set personally or just allowing them to see that type of lifestyle as something that is acceptable, parents are failing their kids.
So, more or less, you're saying he's a dumb shit for saying that he would whip the guys ass and then not doing it. He did it just to save face. But it would not be smart for him to actually whip the guys ass. Therefore, he made a wise decision to not fight the guy, but instead looked like a jack ass by acting like he was going to when everyone knows at the point of the video they have that it was not going to happen.
I believe we are in nearly the same school of thought. You think he's a punk for not actually fighting the guy. I think he was being financially responsible for not fighting the guy. I don't believe that Allen is in any way a pussy, backed down, or was afraid to put the worst hurting possible on the guy. You think he's a pussy for not leaving him hooked up to a breathing tube. But we both agree it was unnecessary and stupid.
I think he's a hot head that just had to have the last word. You think he's trying to cover up insecurities.
Bottom line, on at least this occasion he was a loud mouth and couldn't control his temper. But he did manage to keep from getting himself into trouble (so far). I think that part of it is smart. He has absolutely nothing to prove in a bar. Your opinion is just as valid as mine, but our voices mean nothing. But absolutely nothing good could come out of him destroying the guy. If the worst thing he does from this point on is yell at someone then I wouldn't mind having him on the Browns.
About your hang up, yeah, if you're not going to do it you shouldn't say that you are going to. My point is there is no doubt he wanted to, but like you said, he was trying to save face after making the decision to make the responsible choice.
BTW, the reason I asked if you fought MMA is because a lot of the cock suckers that I have met associated with that are complete pieces of shit that believe they are tough because they get into some back woods boxing ring and roll around with fat asses for 3 3 minute rounds. I appreciate your input and point of view. I completely understand where you are coming from, even if I don't agree with it 100 percent.
The kid crying in the video was the get away driver, he got one year in prison. The two kids that broke into the home and had the gun, they each got fifteen years in prison but will get out after five on good behavior.
Thanks for sharing your story. When I was 18 I was afraid to skip school. I can't imagine being brought up in a household where this type of behavior wasn't stopped before it began to come to fruition. These young mens' parents failed them, let us hope the United States justice system won't.
No idea, last night we got drunk watching the Cavs. He got weird then, I mean real weird and I asked him to leave. He was probably on pills.I was just about to make a nice steak and he bowled in my front door? I beat the shit out of him.
Well if that is the case hopefully your friend learns his lesson from the ass beating and gets away from that lifestyle. There is nothing worse than watching a friend go down that path. Hopefully he gets help.
Edit: And hopefully there are no problems for you.
