Theory: A significant reason Kokinis was fired was because of the way the Browns handled the QB situation. In particular starting the worst QB in the NFL these past 4 games made no sense and Lerner never got a good explanation and finally snapped.

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Lerner said continuing to play BA didn't make any sense: "When asked about the Derek Anderson-Brady Quinn situation, Lerner said it "doesn't look sensible." "

Lerner also said that he was looking for a credible leader to help explain decisions: "Browns owner Randy Lerner said after the 30-6 loss to the Bears on Sunday that he was looking for a "strong, serious, credible'' leader to guide and explain decisions."

@lollygagger said:

DA currently has a QB rating of 41 (that's not a typo), 41. The previous consensus worst QB D. Russell is at 51.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...;seasonType=REG

I couldn't find the all time worst QB rating for an entire season online (it likely requires something like 150 throws to qualify).

This isn't a BQ verses DA thread, just wondering.

And after 2 more games ..... Anderception's QB rating has gone up to 36 (wow). (that cricket sound you hear are those who've jumped from the bandersonwagon)

However there is good news - to qualify for the worst QB rating ever a QB needs 14 attempts per game (184 over a season). DA is currently 30 attempts under the required 184. As DA has not thrown much the last 2 games and he's unlikely to get many, if any, more attemps (unless mgt is still concerned again about BQ hitting the 70% mark), BA may be fortunate and not techically be the worst ever in passing rating because he doesn't qualify.

@bigbrownsfan said:

LOL 2 for 11 now for 13 yards and a pick... almost end of the third quarter. Really? REALLY???

Don't look now - 2 completions in a row - QB rating up to an amazing 19. He deserves an extension. To all you DA naysayers - I fart in your general direction.

@djhero said:

But you miss the point. Let's say Quinn throws for 4 TD's and 350 Yards. The fans will demand he start and management does not want either of these QB's next year. Saving 11M and cutting DA at the end of the season makes the most sense since Mangini is rebuilding his team his way and believe me Mangini will have 4-5 years before the plug is pulled on him.

That may be, there's no doubt that mgt doesn't want to trigger the 11M for BQ (which makes sense at this point) and it appears that Mangini doesn't like BQ. They may be able to increase BQ's trade value at this point though by playing him.

I don't think Mangini has a 4-5 year rope though. If we play this bad next year he's gone.

If my math is correct - if BQ played ever quarter starting right now (3rd quarter against Bears) he would play 70% of the quarters this year. (70% of quarters (excluding OT) for a season is 44). BQ has played 10, there are 34 quarters left in the season.

There's still no way they risk the 70% by playing him today since if BQ plays better than DA (which is basically impossible not to) he'll get more plays than DA did in his 30% of the quarters, thereby triggering the 11M. The math works out right to have BQ start the next game.

OMFG - Franchise QB......DA...... QB rating of 41....... 41....... 41 - I have Lums on ignore, but saw his post because someone else quoted it. Did he really say that? 41 QB rating - a franchise QB - he's blaming BQ for DA have a QB rating of 41. That's why he's on ignore for half the folks here. Did I mention DA's QB rating?

DA currently has a QB rating of 41 (that's not a typo), 41. The previous consensus worst QB D. Russell is at 51.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...;seasonType=REG

I couldn't find the all time worst QB rating for an entire season online (it likely requires something like 150 throws to qualify).

This isn't a BQ verses DA thread, just wondering.

@admin-0 said:

So, what you are saying is that the Browns would rather use a second high dollar (1st round?) pick on a QB, or buy one off the expensive FA market in order to save on salary cap? How much do you think that would save them next season?

Let's say they draft a QB in the first round next season, one of the top-3 QB's to declare for the draft. How much would that save them in compared to $11-mil?

How about one of the top-3 FA QB's. How much would that gain them in talent and money?

How about a second tier QB in the draft. Would that be of greater or lesser quality than Brady Quinn? And how much money would they save?

I looked over your posts, and dating back to August not a single one has been about anything other than to slam DA and pimp Brady ... yet, here you are calling me a DA apologist.

Do you think Brady Quinn deserves the $11-mil? If you were the GM or Head Coach of the Browns, and weren't the one who gave BQ this contract, would you play him blindly without considering the money? You are not clear, am I just ignorant by not knowing that the Browns are only not playing him because of the money, but that he is actually good and of calibre near that kind of money but maybe just short of being worthy? Or are you saying I'm just dumb to realize he ain't playing because of the money, and it don't matter if he's bad, he isn't the biggest bust EVER?

Or did you just want to really post that I'm a DA apologist, and that's all you just really wanted to say?

My beef with the post is the ridiculous, baiting, title - it is not Admin-worthy. But it is consistent with the "let's put all the QB posts together when DA has a bad game" precedent.

I agree with most of the questions in your original post, and that the situation is bizarre. From the reports I've seen my theory is that since that BQ didn't play well in the first 2.5 games this year and it was clear we were going to be horrible since we have neither a running game nor receivers, that the organization wanted to save the bonus money and they pulled BQ. There are also the rumors (although denied by all involved) that there were words between BQ and the coaches (likely either shortly before or after the BE shoes episode). So now BQ has ticked off the coaches and I think he's sitting regardless of how DA plays (who may set a record for all time worst QB performance in the NFL by a player starting more than half the season).

@admin-0 said:

You won't see this ADMIN account voice in on many controversial topics. Sure, my general population name of ATENEARS chimes in and stirs the pot all the time. Some have a problem differentiating, but that's their problem.

I'm writing you from the ADMIN account, hoping you will take what I'm asking much more seriously, being that the Admin will now go on record to ask what some of you have got to be thinking.

Crennel acted like the kid practically wasn't even here. Forced to give him a nod only after ownership and fans voiced in and/or as a last resort.

Mangini felt the same pressure upon taking the job, and when Anderson didn't woe anyone in preseason, Mangini felt like getting this ugly thing out of the way early and started Quinn in the opener.

Since then, to say that this kid has been stuck in the corner would assume that he is in the same room. I don't think the kid is even a part of the Cleveland Browns right now ... I know he ain't in the plans.

Kosar's comments this week cemented the thing. It sounds as if Kosar, after only a few days in the building, has already given up on the kid too.

WTF?

Is this kid that bad? I've never known him to be a poor attitude, but it sure seems that way. Look at his body language on the sideline, he might as well not even be dressed, he sure ain't on his headset listening to the plays and hearing, let alone providing any input. He's on a island ... he's a cast-off.

After 6 games is this kid done?

Quit with the whining about not getting an opportunity. You'd have to be a complete hot-headed jackass to not be in the mix here. He's not a hot-head, that we know of, so does that mean that not only is his attitude poor, does he flat out suck in practice? Is he that dumb in the class room, or what?

Mangini ain't stupid, he ain't going to just not play the kid if he could help.

Could Brady Quinn go down as the biggest bust in NFL history? And is he going to?

This ain't a BQ or DA thread, this is about BQ, WTF?

Did anyone even attempt to make a trade for him and his very managable contract?

Am I allowed to say that this is the most ignorant post from a DA apologist EVER? If I can say that without being banned, there it is, if not, please ignore.

The guy's played a handful of games, and as bad as he's played, since his first start he's been lights out compared to his now-starting and worst QB in the NFL teammate (I'd include all the non-starters in there as well). BQ's not playing because they don't want to blow the salary cap, that doesn't require a brain surgeon or even be an Oregon supporter to see.

But then this post goes on to say big bust EVER - well it must be true if EVER is in all CAPS. Never mind even looking at the same draft where a #1 is likely the biggest bust in a long time. The original post will be amusing to revisit when BQ plays on a non-disfunctional team.

To paraphrase Buckley - I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting that you believe what you just said. But if you do believe it ...

@farang said:

You're kidding, right?

Yes

There's only one good explanation about why Mangini is sticking with DA - to get the first pick next year.

Game ball to DA - he managed the game, got us the win and did complete 2 passes.

@shepwrite said:

Quinn is under contract and he's cheap (he won't hit any incentives). Anderson is owed a big massive balloon payment or he's a free agent.

If Anderson stays, it'll be because he was pretty damn magnificent, which he hasn't been so far (32nd rated... again). He'll need to win some games. He'll need to CAUSE some wins.

If that happens, I think Quinn is traded for not all that much, maybe a third round pick. That's fine, though, because that's an asset we can use. If we have a #5 or #6 overall, a 2nd, and three 3rds, we can do some moving to end up with a batch of picks between 15 and 50. Probably as many as five.

But if Anderson is gone, Quinn stays as a cheap, young, veteran guy who could hold the job for Bradford, Pike, or whoever.

Or he could compete with Leinart (!).

At some point (likely in the next 4-6 weeks if DA is still starting) I think he'll start asking for a trade. He will still be under contract but if his agent publicly leaks the trade request then that could effectively force a trade as he will have little value to Cleveland because it will be a huge distraction.

@shepwrite said:

I can't believe I'm saying this, but props to Lums: He said the QBs would obviously tell their agents... and Quinn's agent is T.O.'s agent (Rosenhaus).

I was wondering how TO found out. That makes sense

mz. said:

I just found video of Lumbergh checking clevelandbrowns.com this morning:

That was outstanding!

@lollygagger said:

I must have missed something - did Lums take his ball and go home already?

Nevermind - hadn't finished reading the entire thread yet.

@deadwombat said:

Lum Dumb was about 90% of the laughs I got from this website. I don't want to see him leave.

I think he will linger around longer than some expect though. 🥷

I must have missed something - did Lums take his ball and go home already?

@shepwrite said:

Can we make a deal to NOT QUOTE LUMS??? I'm trying to play along here so I put him on ignore.

I agree, ignore works much better when we don't quote him in replies.

Interesting article agreeing that BQ should be the starter, but bemoaning the defense and stating that our ceiling (if we acquired Tom Brady) is 8 or 9 wins.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/245278-...-should-be-easy

@shepwrite said:

Adam Schefter on ESPN says Quinn came in the favorite and he's, uh, even more the favorite now.

It's a short week before a scrub game. There's no reason to NOT name Quinn the starter tomorrow.

I agree, unless of course he plans on naming Quinn the starter tonight.

Reports were that last night Mangini said he'd look at film and let people know when he's decided about who will be the starting QB -

have we heard anything today, e.g., is he going to tell the QB's today and the press tomorrow?