@tour2ma said: 2018 team ain't the 2nd coming of the Kids, yet.... ... but the ingredients are there. Yes, the 1980 kids went 11-5 under Sipe and crew. (oh Bill Cower was an ILB on that team, a Browns backer) Quarterbacks 16 Paul McDonald 17 Brian Sipe Running Backs 25 Charles White 30 Cleo Miller FB 34 Greg Pruitt 35 Calvin Hill 43 Mike Pruitt FB Wide Receivers 33 Reggie Rucker 80 Willis Adams 83 Ricky Feacher 85 Dave Logan 89 Keith Wright KR/PR Tight Ends 82 Ozzie Newsome 84 McDonald Oden 87 Curtis Weathers LB AFC Central view talk edit W L T PCT DIV CONF PF PA STK Cleveland Browns(2) 11 5 0 .688 4–2 8–4 357 310 W1 Houston Oilers(5) 11 5 0 .688 4–2 7–5 295 251 W3 Pittsburgh Steelers 9 7 0 .563 2–4 5–7 352 313 L1 Cincinnati Bengals 6 10 0 .375 2–4 4–8 244 312 L1

@dick-mellon said: Thanks for your thoughtful post. The Browns and the Giants both set franchise records for losses in 2017.  The Giants won 3 games. Let's see if Pat Shurmer can win more than 3 games for the Giants. He could win 5 games for the Browns. I'm eager to see Shurmer do great so that he would prove me wrong. As I not so affectionately called him Pat Shure-loss. As Gipper pointed out, we've had some real turds as coaches since 1999, but Pat stands out as the worst. Hue is in the running for that honor, if he doesn't start winning big before he gets fired. 

Yeayyy......another record for us.   Thanks Jimmuh.

4-43 since the start of 2015. Worst 3 year team ever. Previous 07-09 Rams 6-42. 1-30 since the start of 2016. Worst 2 year team ever if lose at PITT, joint worst if win. Current: 08-09 Lions 2-30, 76-77 Bucs 2-26

Instead of the record, I'd rather think of it as worst owner of all time. Jimmahdee Stupidfukkinghillbilly