@wrrebel said:

Max, I have been to the meadowlands many times and wore the opposing teams jersey.. I would always get heckled and beer thrown at one of my buddies.. and then have to hear the chant g a y s

Gays gays gays..

Jets fans are aholes, a lot of new york fans are.

It happens everywhere. Just never heard of it happening to a kid before. Like I said earlier everyone says Colts fans are the best and I sat as my 14 year was called the f word, one guy from another row wanted to get near him (not sure why).

This is an NFL problem and NY fans never burn down the city like happens in Philly, Detroit etc when their teams win.

@speedyd900rr said:

What's sad is even if they come out and say it was a lie the press wouldn't even print anything about it.

The NY press doesn't have the families identity. The Jets won't give it to them but the Jets are hosting the kid this Sunday and giving him a VIP experience at the stadium.

@dawgeatsteel said:

first of all....i never said it was ok to tackle a kid...im just saying If i drove to iraq and started waving an american flag id pry get shot.....and by the way dude you are such a xxxxing instigator can you please not right now im so sick of defending myself to people who dont wanna hear what im ACTUALLY saying vs how they want to interpret it

WOW again.

@dawgeatsteel said:

hey we're passionate people...and while im not condoning what this man did....i urge all you other people who think its "cute" to show up at the muni lot wearing another teams jersey that you will get harassed. In a way, people ask for this to happen when they make poor decisions...i would NEVER show up at a steelers gig wearing my browns jersey...i know better than that.....these people need to stop instigating...i was tailgating last sunday and got into it with some jets fan who HAD a kid and i told him man youre lucky you have a kid with you because ill leave you alone now...lets keep it all in perspective the world is not sugar coated like we all want it to be...

WOW. Just wow.

I totally agree about wearing another teams jersey equaling getting some grief. A lot of people welcome that. But this kid was tackled as he left the stadium. And he was 8. That Dad did the responsible thing and got out of there safely. If one fan knocks the Dad out, then what?

To say that this 8 year old kid was somehow instigating is just a brutal statement. Football is a game, he wasn't burning the American flag for crying out loud.

@earl34 said:

I don't know. It upset me greatly. This is a black eye on all Cleveland fans. We were at a game earlier this year and I can tell you that Cleveland Stadium was FAR more kid friendly than the Meadowlands, Philly or Foxboro.

Having gone to Jets' games with my brother, that stadium is insane. Per one security guy, Jets fans get into twice as many fights as Giant fans and half the time, they're fighting amongst themselves. These are not environments to be taking an eight year old to. I've seen Jets fans make eight year old Dolphins fans cry. I'm sick and damned tired hearing about how people pay ticket prices and can act how they want, blah, blah, blah.

This creep needs to be legless by noon....

Jets games are no treat. But I have taken my son, now 15, to every home game since he was 5. Never had a problem other than cursing. Jets fans aren't Saints not saying that. This is a league wide problem, was in Indy last year and having a 14 year old called the F word for wearing a Namath jersey is just crazy. Had stuff thrown on him. 14 is older than 8 and what that guy did to the kid (tackling him) is criminal.

The thing is the NFL really won't do much about it since so much money comes in from beer sponsors. What is the alternative, completely dry stadiums? Never.

It does suck though because one bad fan can give a black eye to the entire base.

@tampadawgs said:

so......what happens when Hillis turns the corner and the Great Revis is standing there one on one against Hillis, and Hillis has a full head of steam coming towards Revis Island???? Will there be an island anymore?? just asking???

BTW....I xxxxin hate the jets just as much as I do the Ravens and Steelers

Jets Fans have to chant there team name so they remember how to spell it!!!!!!!

of all teams in the NFL, the Jets have they worse fans in the league, but most of them are Yankee fans too, so what do expect???

Browns win 24-14

Wow the Jets fans are the worst in the league? That is a pretty big statement.

I would think Philadelphia where they have a prison in the stadium or Oakland where the NFL has warned teams to not wearing visiting apparel for their own safety. But you think it is the Jets that have the worst fans. Pretty interesting, I don't agree though. The stadium has been sold out since the 70's despite not winning it all in that time and crazy ticket prices. But Jets fans have been there supporting the team the whole time.

The fans even bought PSLs so that the team didn't move. Man that would suck, couldn't even imagine something like that happening. And I don't remember ever hearing or reading about an 8 year old visiting team fan ever being physically attacked at a Jets game. I did read about that happening in Cleveland.

@theclevelandsound said:

"Johnny From NY" won't be posting here for awhile. The rest of you jets fans heed the warning, although you have been alot better than he has, so thank you

I always hate when a Jets fan gets banned

As was mentioned in another thread I run a Jets site and have to say that Jet Nation has nothing but respect for the Browns after that game. Mangini has grown as a coach and we wish you guys luck going forward. Please beat the Steelers, Miami and the Ravens!

@theclevelandsound said:

You can be plenty happy. Just don't gloat.

And admit you were wrong about Hillis

I think the Giants should get some tape of Hillis and have Brandon Jacobs watch it. Hillis is everything Jacobs never became.

@peterbell said:

hey Max..owner of the best Jets board by far www.Jetnation.com. Sanchez jury is still out, theres a chance he might be an average to slightly above average NFL QB. I have to see greatness in him..He doesn't seem to be all about it. Lets face it the Jets are built to win now..The window is small and the one thing I will say the Jets sloppiness in penalties,turnovers and discipline would concern me..People were making fun of Mangini's lap running, but Rex's 10 push ups for mistakes in practice is quite lame,

If this is in fact THE MAX Browns fan should visit the website..great banter, excellent intelligent posters

Hey Peter -- thanks for the kind words. Yes that is my site. Didn't plug it on here because I stopped by to check out what Browns fans were thinking. Found this board to be good, there wasn't a lot of smack and although the Browns fans were confident everyone here seemed realistic. Now that I have seen the Browns play, I realize why the fans were so confident.

Very impressive team. Great game and the Jets definitely got lucky. I always liked Chansi Stuckey and felt bad for him.

The Browns had a great game plan. Your franchise is definitely headed in the right direction. Colt was very impressive. Your running back had me scared on TV, that guy is a truck. I think the Browns need to upgrade the wide receivers next year and get a little faster on defense...

Next year is going to be a good year for Cleveland. Great game today...

@hoss said:

I don't know why you think this. Your QB plays like a rookie lately. If we can play to stop the run and force Sanchize to beat us, we just might have a game. Plus I am not very afraid of the Jets running game as I am confident in my own OL and RB. Double digits? Really? @ Cleveland? No way dude. Sanchez is regressing every game, the OC of the Jets is catching heat, and Cleveland is gaining confidence, which the same cannot be said for your offense.

I didn't make the double digit statement so I am not going to try and defend it.

But Sanchez is not regressing each game. He had a very good game last week, his first time over 300 yards in his career. The O\C is having a hard time and worrying too much about personalities (Edwards, Holmes) and worries about making everyone happy. But Sanchez was so\so in the Packers game and was plagued by drops. He didn't have a great game but was ok.

The point is, he isn't regressing. He is having a very solid year.

@usfbrown said:

He wasn't talking smack either. Our one strength is the run. If there's one thing we can do, its run the ball with the Big Beast.

Gotcha. Being a Jets fan I thought I was labeled as smack talking.

It is a good matchup. When you have a team that is committed to running the ball and they have a back with a crazy YPC like the Browns do that faces a team that stops the run, well that is a ton of fun to watch.

Line them up and play football. Can't wait for the game to begin!

@brownsbacker said:

Expect to see no fear of running the ball regardless

I wasn't posting that as smack. That is just how the Jets play, they dare people to throw the ball.

The Jets have played like crap in some games recently so trust me the only one smack talking about the Jets right now is Rex Ryan!

@theclevelandsound said:

This is a tricky question. Who does Revis cover tomorrow? MoMass is our "#1" but Watson is our leading receiver. Do they throw Cromartie on Robiskie or Cribbs? Either way we are gonna have to take two wideouts out of the picture for most of the game if those two corners play at their best. Just wondering who you think those two will be matched up on.

We need to pick on Kyle Wilson. He has been having a rough patch as of late.

Kyle Wilson hasn't been having a rough time covering receivers as of late because he was benched, lol. He started early and did okay the first two weeks. Then he was getting abused a bit and they gave him a few weeks off to regroup. The last few weeks he hasn't done much more than return punts.

This week he is the #3 CB. But he will have a short leash. He is young and talented so easing him back in as the #3 guy is a good spot for him to be in. The Revis hold out impacted all that.

Not sure how the coverage will break down. Don't see him being on Watson. Probably will be on his side of the field and if anyone gets hot they will get some Revis love.

Expect to see 8 in the box consistently though.

@earl34 said:

No. I have it on first hand authority. Herm's locker room had a lot of lazy POS. There was no professional attitude and that's from someone who was there before and after Herm was let go. His players did whatever the hell they wanted.

You have talked to Jets players first hand? That's pretty cool.

Herm was too relaxed with his players. That is well documented and is one of the reasons he was fired. You talked in the context of discipline and Herm's teams were very disciplined on the field, never penalized. If you were a player for Herm, life was good. He overlooked players being overweight amongst other issues. I am not trying to say that Herm was a good coach because he wasn't. But Herm won a playoff game as HC and Mangini didn't.

I do think that Mangini definitely left the franchise in better shape than it was when he got here. But they didn't win any playoff games under him and have turned over a lot on the roster since he left. Rex was a good hire because they spent years getting 3 - 4 players and they could hit the ground running. Mangini also caused players to be paranoid and that didn't work for everyone (D'Brick). And Mangini couldn't find a place for some talented players that didn't fit into his 3 - 4 vision (Vilma). That was his shortcoming here.

Like I said earlier though, if it wasn't for the new stadium and PSL fiasco Mangini would have been given a longer leash. I definitely root for him. Good to see him letting his guard down more, his mini Belichick routine needed to go.

Actually Herm's team were a lot of things. Professional was one of them. Not great at football was another But Herm was a high character guy who preached discipline.

@earl34 said:

LT Ferguson

LG Faneca (was there for Rex's first year)

C Mangold

RT Woody

RB Thomas Jones (there for Rex's first year)

RB/KR Leon Washington (there for Rex's first year)

FB Richardson

TE Keller

CB Revis (everyone else wanted Aaron Ross)

LB David Harris

NT Kris Jenkins

LB Calvin Pace

The "foundation" also refers to a level of professionalism that did NOT exist with the Jets under Herm Edwards. They were the least penalized team in the league over Mangini's tenure. They became competitive and were a playoff caliber team when Rex arrived.

Not sure why you are referring to players that were there last year but not this year. As everyone stated the Jets won 9 regular season games last year.

What I find funny is that Mangini gets the credit for bringing these players in, when he wasn't the GM. The only move (and it is a big one) that he deserves a lot of credit for was Revis. He endorsed that and obviously it paid off big time. By the same token I see that Vernon Gholston is missing from your list, another pick he highly endorsed.

Also one more thought about your comment on Aaron Ross. That is simply not true, Mangini didn't have the power to talk everyone in the room out of Ross if "everyone" else wanted him.

I think Mangini should get some credit for building the Jets offense though. Without him no way do the Jets get Braylon Edwards and Mark Sanchez,lol.

It is definitely going to be a great game. The Browns have opened everyone's eyes after beating the Patriots last week. As a Jets fan I say thank you for that.

The Jets are crazy aggressive on defense. There are times when I can't believe what they ask their CBs to do. Should be a fun one, was always a fan of Mangini. He got a bit of a raw deal in NY with the whole Favre thing. If it wasn't for the new stadium being built and needing to sell tickets, Mangini would still be coaching the Jets.

He has seemed to learn though from the experience. He was too stubborn as the Jets head coach. Down the stretch when they lost to a Seattle team that had 5 backup OL in the game, that was his final straw. He is smart and talented, his upside as a coach is immense. Hopefully he doesn't reach that limit this week though, lol. Good luck everyone.

@earl34 said:

That's poor coaching from the top. That, Jonny, is why you should be worried. Your team is certainly as talented as they come with a foundation laid by Mangini but if this is a tight game and it comes down to Rex vs. Eric...I don't like the Jets' chances. Rex is a great defensive mind but he got to where he is by being aggressive (thinking with his pecker). He still hasn't shown me that he understands there's more to being a head coach than being a "rah-rah" guy. He squanders time outs and still makes stupid in game decisions.

Remember last year when he ended the game with all three timeouts in his pocket and when asked, he said he didn't call any of them because "[He] didn't think they were gonna score on us" in the two-minute drill? THAT is hubris.

When you say the foundation was laid by Mangini, what players are you referring to specifically?