@jrb12711 said:

Seriously what the hell do you expect him to do? Our offense is so obviously scripted a 8 year can tell you what we're running. Not to mention every run is an ISO up the middle into 9-10 man fronts. Jesus could have suited up and only ran for 50 yards.

Agreed. He moved piles, one guy couldn't take him down, he was able to make something out of nothing. The real issue is, why is Weeden not allowed to audible out of a HB dive into an 8 man front with no FB? T-Rich had no chance. He was as patient as he could have been with 4 guys on him as soon as he got the ball.

@pumpkin-eater said:

really 3-4 is worse than ever? what about the 2009 season.

Yes because we are doing much less with way more. And nobody has felt good about any of our wins this year.

It's worse than 99's team. We have more talent on this team that we may have ever had and we look as bad or worse than we ever have. It's aweful. Mangini made the hard decisions and got these guys playing like a family. Now, with better talent, they are being set up to fail and look like they just want to go home and sleep the season through. It's disgusting.

He catches with his hands!!!!!! All I wanted was a big WR that goes after the ball rather than waiting for it. We got that, and he's physical and looks for the end zone every time. i love this pick. I like the entire draft. We have a lot of young talent and I really hope the lockout ends. Now more than ever before.

@slimdawg said:

Dude rodgers was cut and signed by the saints a few months back....rubin is the only legit dl we have at the moment

Thanks slimdog. I tend to stop paying attention to Browns news until free agency. I didn't even know Big Baby was gone. That does make the pick even better.

@eadaugherty said:

all I have to say about this pick is TJ Ward. no one knew who he was and now he is a big fan favorite. Let Heckert and Holmgren work. They don't get paid 7+ million a year to be dumb.

Yeah but I think Mangini was the DB guy in last year's draft. I'm not convinced Holmgren drafts very well and I'm still not sure about Heckert. Still, I like getting a DT I'm just not sure that is a glaring need for us as much as DE or OLB.

Like a lot of you I don't see why we had to trade back up to get him but I'm sure we had our reasons. At first, I hated the pick but the more I think about it, the more I'm coming to terms with it. I don't really have a doubt that he will be a really good DT I just don't know why we went DT when we have Rodgers and Rubin. We'll have a much better idea of what the thought process was in picking him after day two is done and we see what we go for.

@erie-dawg said:

New england did it in 05 with vinatieri then drafted Gostkowski the following year.

I think that worked out well for them.

Maybe we aren't use to having management that think ahead.

I'm trying not to get carried away this soon into the offseason but I just haven't liked anything they have done since the season ended. Phil is a kicker. Great guy, good kicker, but he's a kicker. There is no need to franchise him unless they are just doing him a personal favor for enduring this crap his entire career. I'm okay with that. But as a football move on it's own, it makes no sense.

@rich4eagle said:

oh great we have an ordinary kicker at the end of his career as our franchise player,,,,,,,,,,why do I think this is not good news

I can't believe I'm saying this but, I agree with you.

He's a kicker! New England even let Vinateri walk. Why? Because he's a kicker.

@the-gipper said:

Field Goal Accuracy Leaders among active kickers:

1. Nate Kaeding (28) 86.500% 2004-2010 sdg

2. Shayne Graham (33) 85.950% 2001-2010 5TM

3. Garrett Hartley (24) 85.714% 2008-2010 nor

4. Rob Bironas (32) 85.561% 2005-2010 oti

5. Robbie Gould (28) 85.484% 2005-2010 chi

6. Stephen Gostkowski (26) 84.328% 2006-2010 nwe

7. Ryan Longwell (36) 83.498% 1997-2010 2TM

8. Phil Dawson (35) 83.168% 1999-2010 cle

9. Matt Bryant (35) 82.775% 2002-2010 5TM

10. Adam Vinatieri (38) 82.727% 1996-2010 2TM

11. John Carney (46) 82.414% 1988-2010 7TM

12. Jay Feely (34) 82.258% 2001-2010 5TM

13. Jeff Reed (31) 82.239% 2002-2010 2TM

14. Jason Hanson (40) 81.903% 1992-2010 det

15. David Akers (36) 81.894% 1998-2010 2TM

16. John Kasay (41) 81.853% 1991-2010 2TM

17. Ryan Succop (24) 81.818% 2009-2010 kan

18. Josh Brown (31) 81.557% 2003-2010 2TM

19. Olindo Mare (37) 81.390% 1997-2010 3TM

20. Lawrence Tynes (32) 81.176% 2004-2010 2TM

21. Dan Carpenter (25) 80.851% 2008-2010 mia

Gip, is there a way to find out his stats on kicks over 40 yards?

Good for Phil. But it's an Oakland/Cincy move. Who franchises a fooking kicker?!?!

I don't care what Shurmer's contract says, he's a talking head and nothing more. Make him the OC and get Fisher to coach this team!!

@clevelandfanforlife said:

Actually the Browns have been in the top half (and sometimes top 10) in the league in total revenue. We still turn a hefty profit.

Because of this, there is no real incentive to win games. The Lerner's look at the profit sheet; not the win column. Every few years they fire and hire somebody to get the fans excited just long enough to sell the following season's tickets. Watch, right before tickets go on sale, you'll see a big name free agent get signed, a trade for an extra draft pick, or a story about how a fan favorite is killing it in OTA's; only to end the season at 5-11. Mangini was building this team the right way, for continued success. Lerner followed the above formula like he does every year, and here we are again, starting over. It's like spring time again for much of the fan base. It's colorful and warm. But for a lot of us; we know damn well we are just weeks away from a hot, humid, mosquito-infested, rainy summer that turns to winter just before our emotional meltdown.

We won't get anyone worth a turd because Holmie is drunk on power so the only people attracted to these jobs are guys who will never get an opportunity anywhere else. I am a Packers fan. My Browns have died.

@ballpeen said:

I said contending because i say screw rebuilding. Homie and Heck are here, so there is no rebuilding for them. Their clock is still ticking. No start overs as far as I am concerned.

Other teams turn it around in a year or two.....time for us to expect the same.

Whenever you change coaches, you are rebuilding. Just one of the 30 reasons we should have kept Mangini. 10 more years of mediocrity instead of 1.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

The only person we can really bring in now that might be better than Mangini is Gruden and if we don't get him we are all going to be hearing from the fire Mangini club how we just picked a worse coach than Mangini.

I didn't want Gruden so much because he has only taken over teams on the cusp. When he has had to rebuild, he hasn't done well at all. However, thanks to Mangini (who should still be here) this team is on the cusp and Gruden may not have to rebuild so much. It may be a good idea.

Fischer

Billick...those are my favs

@kshutchins said:

I am sorry to see him go. This team was severely lacking in common sense and class and he brought it in a big way. I also happen to think he's a good coach and will be successful wherever he lands.

I'm with you. What really pisses me off is that everytime I hear one of them douche bag radio/TV guys talk about the what we need in the next head coach; they are explaining Mangini to a "T"!!! Holmgren better have a plan because it is going to be hard to improve on a guy like Mangini. I urge everyone to go back and watch any game from 99-2008 and then watch 2010 (2009 was little more than damage control) and tell me he didn't make enormous strides changing the culture, attitude, and team chemistry. Which, in my opinion, is EXACTLY how you build a consistant winner. Once those things are in place, you can infuse talent. We started that last year with Haden, Ward, McCoy, Brown, and Hillis. One more off-season with Mangini and we would have had a long-term competitive team. Now, it's anyone's guess what will happen but I do know that firing him was the wrong move.

The good news is, he finally established something here and has made the next coach's job WAAAAAAAAAY easier than it was for him when he arrived. The player's alone have learned what it takes to be pro football players and that will help the next guy out tremendously.

I think I'm gonna barf.

I will bitter about this for a very long time. If they don't bring in Jeff Fisher, than we go backwards. Anyone else, and you shoot yourself in the foot.

This was a sound, well thought out move in the best interest of the team.

Sincerely,

Giving Romeo a contract extention

Starting Brady Quinn

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