@brownfish said:

i just want a kosar or sipe...never really needed a Marino or Montana to keep me coming to the stadium.

this is why the Browns have yet to prosper really since Kosar.

Kosar was in that conversation, because he proved himself to be a franchise QB (he was also a good, high-profile QB in college -- it's because of his success that a lot of people hyped Testaverde). It's why he is still beloved today.

But ever since his unceremonious exit, the Browns have tried and failed to recreate that magic. IMO, I think they're more concerned with image (and also about $$$).

think about the guys that have sat in that chair since reinstatement:

- Couch (drafted OVER the guy the Eagles picked, who went on to be a 10+ year franchise QB)

- Garcia (mismatch in the worst way, picked out of desperation)

- Dilfer (ditto, got pre-empted due to fan pressure to...)

- Frye (it looked good on paper, Akron U grad, non-flash... total disaster)

- Derek Anderson (given what he did for that one season, he earned his chance, but... disaster)

- Brady Quinn (Troy Smith was better, and while Troy is out of the NFL... Brady Quinn lost his job to TEBOW)

- Jake Delhomme (absolute disgrace, they already had Seneca, never was the same after Tommy John)

and now Colt. Who is possibly the most serviceable QB the Browns have had in years, but IMO outplayed by Seneca Wallace in relief (at least his drives ended in TDs more than once).

all because this team wants desperately to be the "Blue Collar Team That Wins" but realize that their old rival has the monopoly on that image (and actually has built a stable org around the idea, something the Browns have not). They need to stop acting like the team is HQ-ed in Chesterfield and get with the program.

Kosar is one of my favorite football players EVER, just because of how awkward (but good) he was.

He would be absolutely decimated behind center today.

But that ship has sailed. We need to stop coddling that antiquated image, stabilize the org, and it begins with breaking the mold and taking a chance on something new in the draft.

if the Detroit Lions can finally do it (and make the playoffs after the biggest embarrassment an NFL team can have), so can we.

Don't bring Peyton here. Don't bring Matt Flynn either(he's ripe for the Redskins or Jets to feast on).

@cobra-kai said:

This was 3rd round draft pick Colt McCoy's tryout year. This was it.

FAIL.

We can't sit around with a #4 draft pick selection, pass on an obscenely talented franchise QB talent like RG3, with fingers crossed, hoping our 3rd round shitty QB miraculously becomes kind of okay, someday... hopefully... maybe... so long as every other offensive player around him is All-Pro.

Your evaluation of Colt McCoy's abilities is clouded by your emotional attachment to him, simply because he's the quarterback of the Browns.

In other words, (like I said before,) if McCoy was the starting QB for Indy, St. Louis, or Minnesota... EVERY one of us would be assuming that each of those teams would be dying to get Luck or RG3.

Get rid of the emotional attachment to a below average Browns player, and you'll see why we need a TRUE franchise QB, instead of this inadequate, failed 3rd round experiment.

I agree whole-heartedly with this reply. Colt is serviceable, which is better than the Browns have drafted when they had the opportunity to pick a QB, and I actually do like Colt (and feel he's about to be another in line to be done dirty by the franchise)... but if the opportunity to grab such a talent is there, I'm good w/drafting RGIII.

Just watching Seneca actually make touchdowns with the same personnel bodes well for a younger player with a similar skillset. Seneca isn't a long term option, so let's go younger. What could the Browns ever lose (besides a few games here and there)?

@gafreleets said:

what the browns WILL (most likely) do.............draft RG3........realize just how overrated he was over the course of the next 2-3yrs of 6-10 records or worse.......and be right in the same position you are now.....top 5 draft pick wondering who you could pick that can improve your team to at least mediocre.

Way to be positive.

Trying to get Peyton, at his age, with the doubts on his health, with his high price tag, is a "Redskins" move. "Win now at all costs! Mortgage the future while we're at it."

This kind of sad-sack pessimism (among other things) is why the Browns organization will never stabilize.

Draft RGIII if available, draft the best WR they can with their next pick, and just focus on the offense for the rest of the picks.

Though Seneca was not great statistically (and had some of the same issues behind the line that Colt did), there were some games where at long last, a substantial drive turned into touchdowns. I'd rather see if RGIII can do the same from a younger vantage point. Peyton is an NFL legend, but the Browns buying up vets for the sake of now, instead of the future is a horribly, sterotypically "Cleveland" thing to do. It's time for some change hereabouts. Besides, I see a "Peyton on some other team" situation looking a lot like Favre in Minnesota. Let's avoid that.