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Did DTR have the best first appearance of any Browns QB since they re-entered the league? I know it's a nothing game (and I'm not saying it means much), but the dude was seriously in control and looked like a veteran.
I wasn't sure about the pick at the time, but I kinda get it now.
Moore is precisely the kind of receiver they needed. Real burner. Cheap. Young. Great compliment.
Fuck I’m excited. These bastards are reeling me back.
I’m probably C
I feel like I understand why most people have their opinions and have taken their on Watson and the Browns.
I understand why the FO went the extra mile to bring him to Cleveland.
I get the Baker bros who will miss Mayfield. I wish him well too and I’ll always be a fan of his.
I understand the discomfort/anger toward management and Watson. There are people who are embarrassed by all of this and disgusted by Watson’s actions and who are sitting out as a result.
And for those who are excited to finally have QB in Cleveland who can drive wins and put the Browns “in the Super Bowl conversation”? Fuck, I get it.
This whole thing has really divided the fan base and there seems to be a lot of vitriol being spewed at each other as a result. But I don’t begrudge a side here. All are justified.
I don’t like Watson. I don’t like that he can’t seem to realize that his actions have hurt some of these women. I hope one day we hear some accountability from him on a public stage. But if Watson comes in and is the quarterback we all know he can be and the Browns finally feel like true contenders? Well, I’ll be the first hypocrite on the top of Hypocrite Mountain, waving that pervert’s flag.
Tired of this sentiment that they did Baker so wrong. I say this as a Baker fan.
HE lampooned his own trade value by not acting like a professional. And HE was the one who said “goodbye” to Cleveland and told them he was never going to play here again despite an impending suspension to the Browns starter. He could be on a different team already if not for his mouth and even if he wasn’t, he could have put himself in a position to start a few games while Jackson sits the start of the season. Could have attempted to build his trade value.
The Browns have nothing to gain by cutting him. They have at least some potential to get something back by holding on in hopes that a situation changes elsewhere.
Pretty anti-climactic after all this time. I trust Berry and company, but this feels like a letdown.
I don't know that it was a demand. He did advocate for Eric Bienemy.
I doubt he would hesitate to tell Jimmy Haslam what needs to be done with our coaching staff.
WSS
Pretty wide chasm between advocating for a coach he believes in - and demanding that the entire coaching staff be turned over based on the color of their skin. You have to take a pretty big running racist leap from one thing to the other.
One day later, still waiting...
Almost seems like it never happened..?
Can’t vote as I don’t know enough about what happened. It’s what I was saying to people before he was dealt here… we have unsubstantiated reports as evidence. No one knows. No need to jump off the ship until there’s evidence enough to do so. Does it seem icky? You bet. Does it also come across as suspect? Yeah, honestly. Kinda.
What I suspect has happened (and it could be a shade worse or more innocent):
Watson goes to a masseuse. After she is done, she says “Oh, you’re Deshaun Watson the NFL quarterback? We’ll sir, would you do me the pleasure of allowing me to blow you?” And Watson being a dude says “my pleasure m’lady. Allow me to present to you… my throbbing manhood.” And then afterward he thinks to himself… “well uh… I don’t know if I should go back to that one. It’s kinda weird now that she sucked my cock and everything.”
So Watson finds a new masseuse. And that masseuse in turn says “Hey Mr Watson! Check out how wet my pussy is for you!” “Well hop on, lass!”
And then again afterward he thinks “geez I don’t know if I should go back to this one.”
And so on and so forth with some not expressing desire to fuck him and others quite the opposite. But enough that do so much that Watson makes some bad reads. He oversteps and he makes some women uncomfortable. And that’s no good. And maybe he meant no disrespect. And maybe upon the “no”, he left it at that and didn’t harass anyone. But perhaps his boner should not have been presented in the first place without being damn sure it was welcome.
For those instances, a lady or two comes forward and says “this cat is a creep.” And a few more come forward who actually consented, but can smell the dollarbucks and claim the same. And perhaps one or two who experienced nothing at all sexual get a whiff of potential cash as well, so they pile on.
The money grubbers may have inflated the numbers and made things look worse than they are. But there are probably some with legit concerns who Watson didn’t intend to offend, but definitely positively abso-fucking-lutely should have fucking known fucking better than to assume that they wanted to fuck him, with whom he acted recklessly and without proper regard.
Presenting a boner? Icky. Unwanted verbal advances? Ditto. Can I learn to live with those with some remorse and a lesson learned? Probably. Because I’ve been cheering for a team without a quarterback my entire adult life. And that’s just the level of hypocrite I’m willing to reduce myself to.
Cramming that unwanted boner down the throat of an unwilling person? I’m drawing a line and will turn in my fan card until Watson is no longer around. Can’t abide by it.
But do I know what level this rises to? Nope! So I’m basing my excitement level on Browns management hopefully being smart enough to understand where they could draw that line. And with what they know, hopefully it’s a sign that it’s not as bad as we fear.
I've heard a theory that the NFL in general is super duper pissed at the Browns for the contract that they gave to Watson, and the reason no one is going after Baker is that everyone kind of wants to stick it to the Browns and make them eat Baker's contract.
I mean, in some ways, it seems far-fetched, but on the other hand...
Well the league owes the Browns for all of the free Ws over the last two decades.
Well said, AP. Although I have to admit, I never had a problem with Baker’s ego or his public persona. I appreciated his swagger and truly felt like he was the guy to bring the Browns back to respectability. He gave it his all for the Browns, got them into the playoffs (finally) and won them a game no one gave us a shot in hell of winning.
In the end, he just wasn’t the guy. Not here. And kudos to Berry et al who had the courage to fight for something better.
While I truly believe that this upgrade at the position is precisely what was required to get the Browns to finally contend, I’ll likely never like Watson like I liked Baker. Wish the dude well wherever he ends up.
Decades of not having a Super Bowl caliber quarterback. Finally, the drought has ended. I can’t believe this turnaround.
Does it come with a caveat? Oh hell yeah. Big time. There is shit to deal with. But will that noise be drowned out by his play on the field? Wouldn’t be the first time.
I’m excited to finally see my team with a legit QB.
Well here we go again. Locked in for at least the next few seasons without a real quarterback.
Hopefully one of these decades
I'm may be one of the few who love Baker Mayfield, but who wouldn’t bat an eye in upgrading him to Watson. I had hoped/believed that we had finally found our QB in Baker. But his play just hasn’t been consistent enough to be confident in him.
Watson on the other hand would finally be the guy. The most critical piece of a successful football team cinched. Adding him to Garret, Ward, JOK, Cooper, Chubb (among many others)? The Browns would be a legit contender without question.
I wanted it to be Baker. I love the guy. But how could Berry justify pinning another season on his ability?
Watson would be an upgrade over Baker, but it's a moot point since the Browns can't afford him:
Browns are over the cap after picking up Cooper's contract, and there's no way Berry would gut the team to clear enough cap space to pick up Watson.
I don't think you have to "gut" the team to get there. Cutting Keenam, Jarvis and Hooper while trading Mayfield gets you there and many of those may be moves they're already considering.
Granted, you would have to replace spots on the roster, so more creativity would be required. But there have been teams in far worse condition who have made it work.
Not proposing they do it. Just saying it could be done without losing much from the roster that is particularly productive.
EDIT: I guess it would be a restructuring for Hooper rather than a cut which doesn't save much. But you could potentially do better than my numbers if done right.
Well that's a solid start
After comparing their stats….not much of an upgrade.
That's precisely how you sell a trade to Houston. Baker and two firsts. Can't go wrong!
