Not that I am a Colt fanand I am not saying bench Weeden just yet, but he never had a fair shot at QB.

Looking at last season:

-WR Little led the entire league in dropped passes

-WR MoMass wont even put his arms out to catch a ball if there's a defender within 5 yards. Half of those he drops.

-RB Hardesty couldnt be 2nd string on most teams

-OL so bad Colt had more yards scrammbling then our RB did each game.

-By the end of the season, Colt took so many hits he understandably had no confidence in his OL so couldnt go through progression

As bad as we are this year, we have twice as much talent as we did last year.

One positive thing I can say for Colt is that he will play hard and give it his all.

Let's stick with Weeden, but if he isnt consistent by mid-season let him watch a few from the sidelies

When I looked at the Surmur post game interview, he looked angry but mostly like someone who was scared for his job. Rightly so. The only way I see him salvaging this is to get close to 500 on the year. It's a long shot but the chance is there.

Forget any one play (3 & 1) or player (Weeden), the bottom line is the team is not winning and those at the top must take the blame. They chose the players, strategy and play calling. What, half the starters are rookies and it's not working? West Coast offense is predictable? Conservative defense isnt getting pressure on the QB?

Cincinnati, Buffalo and now NY passed all day on us and I didn't see any in-game adjustments. Am I the only one seeing it? Why isn't the guy up in the booth making adjustments?

Ok guys, let's see what we have in common. Reply with your most needed player positions.

This was much harder then I thought it would be. My original list was almost every position on the team.

URGENT NEEDS - receivers, pass rush and secondary

FS -No team fears throwing deep on us, ever. That says it all. No hope in sight.

CB -Hayden's a lock. Others are ok for 2nd string. Many teams have 2 star WRs so need 2 prime CBs. No hope in sight.

LB/DE -Must have least one outstanding blitzer for pass rush. Maybe rookies pan out. Check back in Dec but I doubt it.

WR -The WR core needed a proven pro FA like Bouldan with Ravens, not rookies. Maybe Gordon will pay off. Check back in Dec.

Offense is predictable

Defense is predictable

There is a reason each of these coordinators FAILED as a HC on other teams. You do't like the play calling? Coordinators feed the HC the plays and he either uses them or asks for a different one.

Please do NOT let any current Browns coaches become HC.

Scrap the West Coast offense. No winning team uses it anymore. Packers and Philly have changed it so much they are no longer a true WC offenses. It's too limiting. The game has changed since the WC offenses hayday.

Lot's of positions still needed to make us competitive IMO.

URGENT NEEDS

QB -Weeden was a mistake. He was too old and not worth a 1st round. McCoy won more games with less talent around him.

WR -The WR core needed a proven pro FA like Bouldan with Ravens. Maybe Gordon will pay off.

DE -Sheard is not the answer. Without a constant pass rush, everything else falls apart. A QB with his act together and 3 seconds will pick you apart. This is what's been happening since the Philly game. Hoping CBs can cover for 5 secs to allow pass rush to get there is a disaster.

FS -No team fears throwing deep on us. That says it all.

LESS URGENT

CB -Hayden's a lock. S Brown retires. Others are ok for 2nd string. Many teams have 2 star WRs. Need 2 prime CBs, but can live with one until we get a few other positions first.

RG, LG & FB -Maybe. Current starters unproven but looked good this week for the 1st time. Let's wait and see.

LB -Maybe. Gocong and Fujita gone. Rookies look good so far. Need at least one to blitz well. Must be able to cover TE and RB pass.

SS -Maybe. Ward's good at run stop and blitz but questionable at coverage. This is a passing league. He'll do for now.

Coaching - Offense and defense look predictable. Can't say who makes the lame calls. Might be HC, might be coordinators. Shurmur has to take at least some of the blame. Add up the points gained for KR & PR versus the turnovers and it's a lose. Run if it's open, cover the ball if not.

There's good and bad like each of the past 4 weeks.

DEFENSE

Good - stopped the run [until switched to pass def to try to stop the NY constant completions]. Then they ran all over em.

Bad - couldn't stop the pass. NY executed like the champs they are. Three step drop and release. Bullet pass exactly on target. Let's face it- few teams probably could have stopped this. This is a passing league for 15 years (rule changes) and if executed right is almost unstoppable. Browns Def Coord didn't rush the passer early on to unsettle Eli.

OFFENSE

Good - Running game decided toshow up. Caught a few passes for a change. Weeden was mostly on the mark and receivers didnt drop.

Bad - Weeden choked under pressure (again). Yes, he's a rookie. No, the Browns don't have time to grow him.

OVERALL - The team gave up halfway through the 4th Qtr. this reflects badly on the coach.