@djdawg2010 said:

Here is to the Browns doing there part to make it one of the best again! It's been rather one sided lately. I understand the Baltimore/Pittsburgh rivalry, but it's just not as natural as Browns/Steelers.

Oh they'll get there - not a doubt in my mind.

Sure, it has been one-sided lately but it has also been one sided the other way too.

When I lived out in Oregon, I became friends with one guy from Ohio who loved the Browns. The one thing we could both agree on though is that we both hated the Ravens. As a matter of fact, most people I knew out there hated the Ravens lol.

@clevelandfanforlife said:

great post. i respect your take very much and apologize to the snide remark. i thought you were just here to troll and stir things up. i see you use your head and i appreciate that. i have a tremendous amount of respect for the steelers brass and for the fans from pittsburgh or with an affiliation to the city. however, i have no respect for the fans that started rooting for them because they won more. they are all over the place and not just in ohio. the reason i can't stand them is because they have no loyalty and don't believe in anything. you seem to be a good guy though.

Thank you and no worries about the remark - I can take it lol. I am not here to troll, I have actually been a member for awhile though these have been my first few posts. I enjoy the banter and the teasing but find that going to your rivals board gives a bit more insight into the fans themselves. I am sure there are many fans of both teams who will hate one another simply "because" and that is absurd.

What both sides seem to lose sight of is that the Browns/Steelers rivalry is looked upon as one of the absolute best in the NFL - #5 per SI. The teams, past players, the fans, everyone and everything grinds to a halt more so than any other game twice a year. Sure we toss insults and speak ill of each others women and cities but boy is it fun LOL. There is a wikipedia page about the rivalry - pretty cool information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browns%E2%80%93Steelers_rivalry

@clevelandfanforlife said:

Yeah, to bad they need to win a Super Bowl in order to jump the Browns. I wonder what will happen a couple of year after the hangover wears off.

Well, I personally do not look at the stat as anything other than what it is - a number. Things that go into that number are unkown. For example, Dallas is number 1 but their ticket prices are astronomical. Dallas Cowboy tickets range from $75-$239 with an average price of $157. $157 multiplied by an average seating capacity of 95,000 and you will get game day ticket sales of roughly $14,915,000.

As for Cleveland, your ticket cost ranges between $32-$85 with an average of $58.50 and a seating capacity of 73,300 - game day ticket sales = 4,288,050

In Pittsburgh, the tickets range in price from $64-$98 with an average of $81. Seating capacity at Heinz Field is 65,050 so one day ticket sales = $5,269,050

Now, does any of this speak to true fan loyalty - not one bit. Does Pittsburgh have more loyal fans because the tickets cost more - not at all. Nor do the Browns fans care any less because their tickets are more affordable - to argue otherwise is not logical.

Even if we look at merchandise sold, while the Steelers may sell the most branded merchandise, does buying a leather jacket with your teams logo really make you a better fan than the next guy who may not want to drop an absurd amount of cash on a black and gold jacket or an orange and brown jacket.

All in all, I find it hilarious is that this argument holds steady across every sport. Do the Steelers have a lot of fans? Yup and so do the Browns. Are a lot of fans of the Steelers "bandwagon" fans due to their recent successes? Heck yeah but many of the out-o- state fans have parents who were fans of the first dynasty and they were probably raised to be Steeler fans. Anywho, the Browns have a loyal fanbase - that can never be argued. If someone did want to argue that point, I suggest they show up on a Sunday afternoon and try and convince some of the gentlemen in the dawg pound otherwise - they, I am certain, would educate the man.

@lcdawgfan13 said:

No kidding! The part I love is seeing Pittsburgh, with all their recent success, 2 slots under the Browns in revenue and 3 slots behind in value! Even with all the bandwagoners, they can't match the Browns revenue! Wouldn't that be evidence of true fan loyalty?

If you would like to use that as a barometer for "true fan loyalty", I guess we can. The link posted was from the 2008 rankings, so, here is the link from the 2010 rankings: http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/30/footba...ns_Revenue.html

You'll notice that the Browns appear 2 slots lower than the Steelers.

All the best...