@skinsfan28 said:

LOL.

Classic Steeler fan who can't read/write/spell. Hilarious. I live very close to Pittsburgh and mostSteeler fans look like Larry the cable guy.

Don't talk about their women like that.

@browns1979 said:

He had *all day* to throw today, and we see he just doesnt natural game speed reactions. He is tentative, uncertain, looking for the checkdown.

No pocket presence at all.

Many of those things dont get better with time.

I dont know or care if he is better than colt or not. My guess is he is, but we need to find a solution at qb.

The secondary during the second half was atrocious today, but that will get partially better when haden comes back.

But weeden is a loser. I said it after week 1 and Im still saying it. His statistics make him look more effective than he is, and his statistics are prety bad(next to last in qb rating I believe).

He has an above average arm if he has time to wind up and step into a throw, but that is it. His other innate abilities are poor. He doesnt have good accuracy in tight windows- thats a skill that cant be taught. He is slow with his footwork- another skill that cant be taught. And his natural instincts under pressure simply suck. He doesnt have a future as a solid nfl starting qb.

Really Dude? You some super smart talent evaluator who can reach that conclusion after 10 games? What team do you work for?

Here's what I think. Brandon Weeden is 1 of 4 rookies playing in an antiquated 1980's version of the WCO in the toughest division in football. Being run by the worst offensive innovator/playcaller ever.

Question, have you ever seen the all 22? My guess is no, b/c if you had you'd see that only the primary receiver is running a proper route. The secondary receivers are out there just jogging around watching the play instead of being part of it. Gordon is the worst. If he's not the primary, then he's not running hard trying to get open.

That's why you see Weeden standing back there "looking and looking" only to have to check it down when the primary receiver is covered. The secondary guys are giving a halfassed effort.

It's also the reason Weeden seems so inaccurate on those plays when he does try to hit one of his secondary receivers. The guys are at the wrong spot and depth than what was practiced. Inconsistent route running makes for a inconsistent passing attack.

Is BW perfect? Of course not. But it's pretty tough when you don't have a veteran receiver to throw to and all the utes are running around like chickens with their heads cut off. It's no coincidence that Ben Watson was the most affective receiver Sunday.

As for Colt mcCoy, that guy is done. The team begged for someone to offer anything for that scrub, no takers.

It's Weeden now, next week and next year. You may as well get use to it.

Zombo said:

Nine starters through the draft in two years. Cameron and Hagg could be starting next year as well if they develop, they haven't had an off-season yet.

Zombo

Nine starters my ass. Just b/c they start for the Browns doesn't make them NFL starters. Of Heckert's first draft only Haden could start for any team. And he was a top ten pick (7th). Ward would be a backup. McCoy 3rd string, maybe. Lauvao's a backup.

Second draft, he WAY overpaid for Taylor. On any other team he'd be in the rotation. But when you spend a #1 and a high #3 on a guy he HAS to be dominant. Taylor isn't. Little would be a role player, not a starter. Cameron a PS player and Marecic would be unemployed.

This last draft the fool traded up again for another injured RB. Then uses the 22nd overall pick on a 28y.o. rookie QB. Brilliant.

The word to best discribe Heckert as a GM is JAG. Just A Guy. Anybody, and I do mean ANYBODY could have done as well as he has over the last 3 drafts. Top ten picks in every draft and NO pro bowlers in the lot.

Clearly he's part of the problem, not the solution.

The good news is, he's gone after 7 more games.

@dab7291993 said:

Dude the entire game we all felt like we were gonna blow it somehow.

The offense scored on it's first possession and didn't do shit the rest of the game. Holy crap it's crazy how one win will cloud everyone's vision.

It sucks that most of our fans don't expect better. We get a win and it's a party and everyone refuses to critique anything.

The real problem is that we were told that the FO was all on the same page. If that is true, then why did heckert draft a power back and give him to a HC that wants to throw the ball 70% of the time? Shurmur like Andy Reid wants to throw the ball to set up the run, problem is that by doing that we have a lot of 3 and outs and then fall behind. Then we're forced to throw it to catch up, which we never seem to do.

The entire offense is messed up. The o-line is built to pass protect. It consisted of 1 center and 4 tackles before Pinkston went down. Yet we have the worst(and youngest) WR corp in the league. They have potential but they lack experience. Then we put a power back behind that pass blocking line, but they can't get any push for him to run between the tackles. Our FB can't run, catch or block and the TE's are old and injury prone. The only one worth keeping is Cameron, but he's still so raw it'll be at least another year before he's ready.

This team has talent but it's not being properly used. We should be using more 3 wr sets if we're going to be a passing team. Then let Weeden throw from the shotgun more. But if we're going to keep using 2 TE sets, we need to commit to the run and stick with it. This nonsense of 2 TE's only to throw it 2 out of 3 plays is ridiculous. It's not like we have the Pats TE's on our team.

Our personnel is better suited for power running game with a vertical passing attack. We can get a second TE on the field by keeping Alex Smith in at FB with Watson/Cameron at TE, who are better receiving threats. Or go single back with 3 wr's in Little, Gordon and Cooper/Benjamin and 1 TE.

Our personnel isn't well suited for the WCO. We have too much at running back and not enough at WR. When you have a back like TRich you don't need short passes to take the place of running plays, you just turn and hand him the ball. This team needs to figure out what it wants it's idenity to be and then draft accorddingly.

@usfbrown said:

It's bad play calling because the run blocking has been atrocious. For all the #1 and #2 picks on this line, they stink! Hopefully they gel but for all we invested in them, it's not paying off.

The tackles and the center( 2 1's and a 2) are playing fine, it's the 2 guards(a 3 and a 5) that keep getting blownup on every running play.

Problem is that they are really tackles playing out of position ( thanks Tom Heckert). You can't draft college tackles and then expect them to be able to play guard in the NFL. Totally different playing the interior than it is playing on the outside. If you want guards, then draft guards.

I'll be glad when that fool gets his walking papers.

Gordon is developing quite nicely thank you. He's going to be our #1 wr if he isn't already.

With Gordon, Little and Cooper in the slot, that makes for a nice trio. Cameron at TE and TRich as a single back with Weeds the tiggerman and this offense could be explosive next year. Could be this year except for the numbskull calling plays.

All we really need on offense is a couple of NFL quality guards, and to lose Marecic. Lauvao and Pinkston are backups and Marecic needs to get lost. But I degress.

Gordon looks like a keeper, But Glassaquoi is quickly becoming Mr irrelevant.

@jrb12711 said:

Heckert has been a wizard of drafting good, young players. The guy has a proven record in the NFL of getting good talent on teams. I'm telling you, this team is not devoid of talent. A serious head coach would have this team we have now at least a few W's. The defense has looked bad the past couple weeks granted, but that's largely because our back-up CB's shouldn't even be near the field (Skrine is just awful). Juaron calls good blitzes and when Taylor gets back our front 4 is decently stacked. What I like about Childress is that he at least somewhat has gotten through to dumbass shurmer that the only way to win in the NFL is to pass down the friking field. I think if he got the full reigns we'd actually resemble a team that took good chances and not dinking and dunking.

Bottom line is Shurmer is God awful and Mike Holmgren is completely out of touch with today's NFL. Those two guys make the most important decisions for the team and both need to be canned, hopefully by the end of the month. Give Childdress or Juaron the team and like I said pick up Reid if the eagles dump him this year.

If you want to kick Shurmur, I'm right there with ya, but make no mistake, this is Heckert's team. He's the one who drafted college tackles to play guard in the NFL. He's the one who cut a real FB after he drafted Marecic. (We're the only team in the league that starts a FB who can't block or catch.) Heckert's the guy who used a 2nd rd pick to draft a wr with one year of college experience in Little, and then did it again with Gordon. It was Heckert who blew 3 draft picks to move up for an injured RB in Hardesty.

And don't get me started on his use of FA, or should I say lack thereof.

I could go on, but you get my point. Heckert is JAG as an GM. There a reason why he never had final say in Philly, and he won't have it here after the season.

The team CAN and NEEDS to do a lot better than Heckert if we're ever going to get out of this mess.