@silverback said:Yes because a good defense would have turned Tim Couch into Joe Montana. A running game would have made Derek Anderson into John Elway. A better O-line would make Brady Quinn into Steve Young. Maybe your QB's have sucked, because your QB's aren't very good. They haven't been the most talented in the league.....can't argue that. So let's say the Browns had drafted Big Ben....would they have 2 superbowls?

BQ is a weenie

lets just get a win first... before we start thinking about what browns going to the pro bowl

@ballpeen said:I wouldn't worry one way or the other, I doubt we trade him at this point even if true. Your prolly right peen... The cleveland browns havent totally wrecked his career yet we cant let him go until brass says...Now your done..hehehehe

@oconrecon said:Below the Mendoza line. Lumbergh? I cant hear you?

@qbguru said:DA now averaging 6 picks per game after throwing 3 in one half of football. Lumberghs silence is peculiar. Lums, were you not big on QB ratings? What was DAs today??? Like I said before you can argue DA vs BQ all day, and for another third wasted year, it does not matter , any QB on this team will look bad, way too many other holes to fill on offense and defense. Best of luck DA's career positive TD to INT ratio took a dent today, but it's still intact. BQ's negative TD to INT ratio increased a bit though. Is that a good thing?

@qbguru said:Dink and Dunk= 1st downs=west coast offense. Well said, "QB Guru"... Bill Walsh? Is that you???

I agree. It's the problem with the entire twitchy-finger organization, as well as all the other perennially bad teams in the league. Brady Quinn was a successful division 1 QB who was drafted in the first round and has FOUR starts to his name. NO, I REPEAT NO QB'S are great right off the bat. The guy needs support, both physical and emotional from the organization and then the city. Brady needs to hear "YOU ARE OUR GUY NO MATTER WHAT. NOW GET OUT THERE AND GET IT DONE, BABY!!!!" WORK WITH HIM and not against him. Help him be successful. And not just Brady, but all the players. Great teams instill CONFIDENCE in their players and build them up. Not wait around for them to screw up. If someone drops a pass, go back to them quickly. If a back fumbles, get him the ball back soon. If it gets too bad, let him sit and get himself together. if it never changes sit him and then move him.......but give these guys support and any group of players can win. I'm just as tired of losing as the rest of you, but it will continue indefinitely unless the organization keeps coaching staffs and players intact while making minor changes through the draft to continually improve. The Steelers are loaded with avarage players who always look good because of the stability of the organization, scheme and coaching. They are so familiar with the system they can play instinctively and swiftly. We NEVER have that. Give the unit time to GROOOOOWWWWW................