mikeyP72 said:
Wow .. browns blow another one
Yeah, They basically gave us that game. Bradford still isn't 100%, I don't even know why he's out there. But I'll take a W, no matter how ugly.
I didn't actually see the whole game on T.V., I listened on the radio at work. How did Colt look?
16-12 Browns. Our QB is allergic to the end zone.
To Colts' defense though, it's hard for a young QB to be sucessful when you can't run the ball effectively. He is simply not good enough to win these games on his arm. You have to take some of the pressure off of him. Bradford is not good enough to win games with his arm, as he proved against AZ. He overthrew wide open recievers for possible TD's or huge gains down to the red zone 3 different times, in a game in which our defense dominated plus got 2 safeties. So in Bradfords case, he just needs to get better, period. McCoy needs to improve in the same way, but he also needs weapons. He's having to do too much for you guys. When Chris Ogbannya is your starting RB, thats not good. But hey, your 2nd year QB has won 3 games this year, ours has won 0. And I would say the Rams have a better offense than the Browns. So what does that say about Colt? So IMHO Colt just needs more time. But if Holmgren wants to keep drafting til he finds a superstar, more power to him.
Just wanted to share this with you all. Thought it was funny considering I made these same comments yesterday.
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on November 5, 2011, 11:12 AM EDT
APMike Holmgren and Pat Shurmur were supposed to bring a new era of offensive efficiency to Cleveland.
Instead, Colt McCoy has regressed this year and the offense is worse than it was than when Eric Mangini was the head coach. Michael Lombardi of NFL.com gives a great example of Clevelands predictability.
Lombardi says each week, he calls a former coach on the phone and plays a game with him.
I tell my friend the personnel group, the formation, where the ball is located on the field and what hash mark and describe the motion if there is any and ask him to tell me the exact play that will be run. He is correct about 95 percent of the time. No lie.
The Browns are so integrated into the West Coast system that their predictability is becoming legendary around the league, Lombardi writes.
The Browns are running the purest West Coast offense in the league. Other successful teams run West Coast offenses, but they mix up their systems a lot more.
If a coach on the phone knows what play is coming from the Browns, you can be sure opposing defensive coordinators know whats coming too.
@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Hey buddy,
regardless what fans think, Mike Holmgren has already announced that Colt McCOy will not be with the Browns in 2012, or at least will not be the starter.
In a press conference about a week ago Holmgren reaffirmed that the football team begins with the QB. He siad two telling things.
1) McCoy is still under evaluation ( After 2 years?
2) The Browns will take a new QB every year until we find the right guy.
If Holmgren thought McCOy MIGHT be the guy, we would not insult him and risk shaking his confidence by publicly implying nothing is settled. Hey, this is 2011, either McCOy is THE MAN, or he isn't.
But you see, Holmgren didn't even stop to think baout how his words might affect Colt. Clearly, Holmgren has already moved past McCoy and the Browns are going to limp trough the season with him.
McCoy is gone, done, fini.
Wow, I didn't know that happened. Thats not necessarily the way to encourage a young struggling QB, so I would have to agree with you. I just hope by the time he gets out, he's not too beat up to be effective elsewhere.
Thanks for the replies!
a better question might be....what the xxxx is wrong with shurmur?
Well, I thought he was OK as an Offensive coordinator, but it seemed as though his play calling would become too conservative and predictable. Most of us hardcore fans soured on him. To tell the truth, I was curious of why Mangini was fired. I thought he would get more time, but I guess Shurmur was part of the network. But hearing Mangini talk on TV, he sounds very intelligent and he has a high football IQ on both sides of the ball. Plus he seemed like he could get fiery at times. But thats just a quick observation that I got from him.
Hey guys, I'm a Rams fan here in STL and I have a few questions for you. What is the general concensus on Colt McCoy and his future with the Browns? From the little coverage that I have seen of the browns, I'm looking at a good QB for the rd he was selected in, that has the potential to be a descent NFL QB. When I say descent, I'm meaning that he could be sucessful when surrounded by talent, but not a guy like a Manning or a Brady or Rothelisburger thats going to win you games just based on the skill of his arm. I think he could be a Carson Palmer-ish, Matt Schaub, or maybe a Hasselback caliber. Which isn't bad, not spectacular, but they could win in the right situation. Thats actually what I believe we have in Bradford. It also seems to me that Colt has been taking a beating. I felt bad for him when I saw the highlights of your game at home vs the Steelers last year with James Harrison hitting him and asking "you alright boy?"...lol...sorry. What types of personel changes have you guys made on the O-Line to give him some protection? I was one of the few Rams fans that was O.K. with trading down to let you guys have Bradford. For the amount of picks you were giving up, we could have had Colt, plus alot of other playmakers. That was the theroy, but in reality, the Rams drafting has been so bad, we were probably better off just getting Sam. I was never convinced with Clausen, and I think I was right on that one.
The Rams have been an utter disappointment so far this year. The overall lack of effort and focus from this group has been appalling. It's easy for people to say, the team simply lacks talent, but that doesn't have much to do with false starts and dropping passes. I was not shocked by the upset win against New Orleans, because we have proved over the last 3 season that we can run the ball on that team. I was shocked that the guys actually came to play, and us Rams fans are hoping that that game was a turning point, and the team starts playing to their potential. The apologist excuse has been that the Rams have a tough schedule, but in reality to this point the NFC east(which we have played every team) has been mediocre at best.
But our game coming up in next weekend is going to be a good one. I believe Sam will be back for that game. This Sunday we play a weak Cardinals team on the road, so there is no rush to get him back. Look for us to feed SJ39 early and often and try you guys deep with big plays to Llyod.
