And don't forget the associate head coach, I hear he's got the bengals number.
I didn't think Lerner had it in him, but the evidence seems to be building that Lerner pulled Mangini aside for a little chat about his future.
Who the back up OC?He might also give us the best chance to win.
You're right, that is a very short leash. They gave Couch a few years, counting his first starts DA got most of 2 seasons, Frye got a couple seasons.
At the beginning it sounded like Mangini was making plans for the long haul. The only thing I can think of that would change a coaches mentality so quickly is having his job threatened by Lerner.
TheJokersWILD said:
Then he goes up against a very good Vikings defense, a Bronco's defense with the likes of DJ Williams,Dumervil,Champ Bailey, and Brian Dawkins, and possibly the leagues best defense in the Ravens after comng back from that injury that kept him out for the rest of last year and gets thrown under the bus after three bad games. WOW, talk about a short leash.
Nice post. Eli didn't have a few bad games, he had many bad games, and he didn't actually get any good until their superbowl season. Manning stopped throwing interceptions, and his team took care of the rest.
It's perfectly valid to compare Quinn or many other QB's to Eli. He's simply an average QB in regard to his ability, but his franchise stuck with him and he eventually had his epiphany.
I bet Bernie is glad the Old Browns stuck with him.
These guys know better than to point fingers. They know if they say too much they will either be fined or benched. What did you expect to hear?
You're right, the contract does make him difficult to trade. And no team in the league wants DA. So you are stuck with them both. 
Keep in mind that the Baltimore press knew Mangini from the Browns' move to Baltimore. He worked under the first coach. So they've seen their share of Mangini.
really because Cleveland so loved Belicheck when he was our coach....... he was such a likeable fellow.... this writer is a idiot.Things normally get worse before they get better.
Its his first year and this is really not his people yet, I could see if this was his third year...
I thought the move indicated that Mangini is already getting pressure from above.
That being said, I've claimed before that IF Mangini dumps Quinn, and DA comes in and sucks, it's going to be a few more nails in the coffin.
Mangini put himself in a terrible position by benching Quinn... Not so much for benching quinn..it's when DA came on an laid a giant turd in the middle of the field that actually made Quinn look good again.. So where as a coach do you go from there? Even my wife said pulling Quinn is stupid and she watched the first football game of her life just 5 years ago. I think Mangini HAS to go back to quinn this week. The team sucks as a whole and who is QB is not going to change the outcome of our games a whole lot.. That being said..Quinn needs time on the field. Otherwise he's just a wasted pick who never fully got a chance. That's just dumb.
Thanks for the post! I've been bewildered as well. I feel like a Detroit fan, who saw his team look great in the preseason, then watched them fall apart once the season started.
What happened to the offense? Both QB's and units seemed to move the ball in the preseason, but now we hardly get first downs? I'm no QB fan-boy, but both of these guys look like different guys, and I mean a change for the worse. I'd like to know who the flip got in their heads?!!
I think Lerner should take the approach that the dolphins organization took. They realized they weren't football guys, so they hired the Tuna to manage those operations.
There are maybe 3 men in the league we could bring in to straighten up the ship. However I don't think Lerner would do it short of 2 seasons.
Stay as far from a QB as possible in this draft. The Browns need an O-line. The Browns need a Defense etc...
I think it's time to come to grips with 2 absolute truths my friend:
1.) The Browns are a bad team right now.
2.) ManKok isn't the franchise savior.
And here is an a 3rd, but unproven truth: Quinn and Anderson would both have better careers for a different team.
This team looks like the expansion Browns.
He thinks both guys stink.Goes through a prolonged preseason competition. Many folks here commented on how it looked more like DA lost the competition versus BQ winning it.
The only reason I can think that Mangini makes the switch down 20 was NOT to try and win the game. Nope, I think he may dislike both his QB's immensely and could care less about either's pysche. (Pull Quinn at the half and only let DA know as they're heading back out on the field.) There's no way you pull Quinn if you "like" him. Way too short of a leash. I'm also wondering if Quinn and DA both know how little they're liked and may be why neither has shined so far in preseason or games. (Lack of confidence.)
He may have simply taken the "safer" guy in Quinn hoping for low mistakes, but simply couldn't stomach the complete lack of production. So, he sends in DA and promptly is rewarded with 3 picks.
Ugly ugly stuff.
The move could point to Browns brass placing a call to Mangini this week. The pressure could be building, and if that's the case Mangini might not want or even get a second year.
I wouldn't think it's a McNabb situation. McNabb has a fairly lengthy history of NFL success, they yanked him in a game and it seemed to be a nice wakeup call. BQ was being his typical self this game.I do think pulling him was an odd move. Should have let him go and see how he reacts to playing from behind, then consider whether he's starting the next week. I really expected 4-5 full games before this came about.
You got that. You had to experience "The Drive" live with your own eyes to understand. 
@inspecta said:
Sorry kiddo, at 19 you cannot fathom the depths of our suffering....
I guess it's just proof that the switch never should have happened.
And proof that QB is not were we should be laying all the blame in the first place. Some think it made Quinn and Anderson look bad, but I argue that we finally see the proof that the team is bad regardless of who you place at QB.
When you show the whole fan base that it's not a QB's fault, then who else does the blame fall on?
I agree. He needed to wait until next week.It allows Quinn to take him lumps off camera and allow DA to have the game rather than be in a mop up situation where the D knows he is in there to throw.
The move wasn't bad, but the timing was.
Every year the rooks get pranked. We heard Quinn talk about the times he and Charles Ali were pranked. You just have to know it's coming and laugh it up with your teammates.
Legget was promising. He had great athleticism, but needed more weight and muscle to fight his way off the line.
So Mangini thinks he has the WR spots sewn up and doesn't need to develop more?
Cribbs' lack of experience at the WR spot is hurting now, but I think he'll grow into the job.
Regarding our Rooks I don't see how you can get a beat on a player till you actually throw him in and see him run a few routes. Practice performance is over-rated.
Here's the solution rotate the rooks in and out with Cribbs and Furrey. I seriously think that they plan to replace BE with MoMass by at least his 3rd season, but more likely next season.
Whats the deal with these two? At the beginning of camp everyone was saying how NFL ready they are to step in and produce right away...I dont even see them on the field. Cribbs is not a WR lets face it. I just dont understand how Cribbs can be getting playing time and the rookies cant.
The question is what do we have right now that other teams want? The only thing we could offer is draft picks, and we may need 2 O-linemen in next years draft.
Maybe, some people will get annoyed by this type of "hypo" thread.I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on possible trades to help the Browns?
I was thinking we should talk to ole' Al Davis and try to get a hold of either Michael Bush or Justin Fargas.
Any thoughts?
I think you nailed it. Like it or not Mangini seems to be making moves that will pay off more so in Year 3 on the job rather than this year.
So far he seems committed to taking his lumps this year.
The explanation is in the wording. Kellen is a old 27 and he doesn't have the same ability than he did before the injuries. He may be able to put up another year or two of "serviceable" play, but Mankok sold high. If the Browns were close to winning it all, I would be mad, but we aren't so we do what is best for the 10's.
