He actually takes care of the ball really well.

Per a team insider on their message board. This poster has nailed info in the past that no one else had claiming he/she gets texts from the GM. He will be cut right before free agency starts according to the source. Browns could be interested? DeFelippo and O'Connell would be great coaches for a young QB like that who looks to be getting an extremely raw deal in Buffalo. Appears they want Mccown to start abc will pick up another FA as backup rather than continue to coach Manuel.

He would also be a great influence on Manziel from a work ethic standpoint.

The info is at http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/176133-josh-mccown-anybody-update-talking-contract-22615/page-31

Nice offensive weapons. You played 7 of your games before this against teams ranked in the bottom 10 defenses in the league. Welcome to the real world.

@upper-lip said:

You think Gronk, Amendola, Edelman, wright, and whoever their running back at the moment is, is better than gordon , Cameron, Hawkins, Austin, benjamin, Gabriel, Crowell, and west ?

their RBs are Ridley, Vereen, Blount and Gray with James White on the PS. You only named 2 of their WRs. The others are Lafell, Dobson and Tyms.

And yes. BTW so does Josh McDaniels which is why he said "nah, I'm good. I don't want to be a HC again and triple my salary."

@upper-lip said:

From a pure talent standpoint, if belichek got to choose one groups skill position players to start a team with, he and other person would take the browns'

sure. Lmao.

@bbedward said:

How many of you are going to stick around after the browns lay the wood Sunday? I suspect just George

But it's nice to see the leading discussions today are amongst bills fans. Carry on.

i'll stick around for the Johnny Drama. It will be time after this game.

@upper-lip said:

Again.. A nonsensical statement

Not as nonsensical as you saying if the Pats had the chance to trade their offensive weapons for yours, they would.

@upper-lip said:

I don't think you have any clue how good gordon is

he is so good he doesn't even need to make any effort on jump balls.

He's no Brian Tyms. You guys should have held onto him.

@upper-lip said:

The pats passing on hawk, Crowell, Austin, west, and Gabriel means absolutely nothing to their talent and production.., that's a Retarded statement. Theyre not good because the pats passed on them.. Like they could just snap their fingers and put every player they liked on their own team. and let's not forget Cameron is a pro bowl tight end too. Also, the patriots draft record the last 6-7 years is by far the worst in the league. Their judgement of talent is garbage. Pure trash their drafts have been

they are fine. Pats wouldn't trade their guys for yours, because if they wanted to they would have.

@manzier said:

Dude, were you laughing hard every time they crushed you?.....cause thats what happens when the Pats play the Bills....every time.....

It's not as if you guys have actually "won" a game against them or anything.....

gtfo. Really? I was not aware.

@bbedward said:

42-13 browns

Put down the Madden. It's a holiday for chrissake.

@upper-lip said:

Let's take a poll here. Who here rather have the patriots offensive skill position players than the browns? I honestly don't even think it's all that clise. Patriots would replace their receivers and running backs with ours in a heart beat I'd think

haha. If Belichik wanted to deal with Gordon then yes, he has more natural talent than the guys they have. Otherwise, he could have had any of those FA or UDFA guys and passed. He also could have kept Hoyer as a backup and passed.

@ibleedbrown said:

GOOD! Laughing with me or at me, the end result's the same. I aim to entertain.

We are kinda fired up about finally having all our playmakers on the same field though.

That's why l say the offensive scheme is the key here. It don't mean shit if Hoyer can't get the ball to them.

And l really don't know much about the Pats offense, honestly. Do they employ smaller wide outs? That's something the Browns have done, and had better than expected results this year with. We've had to lean pretty heavily on them some games due to the absence of our taller guys (Gordon, Cameron).

yes, the Pats use small wideouts. Edelman and Amendola.

Whitner hoped everyone forgot what a POS he was over the summer. No such luck. He called out Sammy for no reason, apparently pissed the kid didn't realize he signed with the Browns. And didn't mention him when discussing the top corners in the NFL. Even though he's not a corner. Nor did Sammy say he has anything special to play for against the Browns when asked by the Cleveland reporter. He specifically said otherwise. Whitner is either scared and feels he needs to threaten a rookie, or can't read. http://t.co/TMbvFB7nFU

@tour2ma said:

Buried near the bottom of her article:

"In the days leading up to the game, Gordon's teammates praised him and expressed their excitement for having him back."

Every time I see MKC, Randy Newman's Short People plays in my head...

I'm guessing not a fan...

not a fan of Gordon. Self awareness is a very underrated trait.

@gftchris said:

It's also night-and-day how different our secondary has looked since about week 6. See this article from PFF - cumulative -12.3 first four games, +30 since (after the Bengals game).

Gipson tho

@manzier said:

Heres an interesting stat:

Khalil Mack 59 tackles 1 sack

C. Kirksey 55 tackle 2 sacks

Haha. This could be the most misleading stat of all time. And you could have had Mack! Or Watkins! Enjoy that extra 1st rounder next year so you can get another Justin Gilbert or Kiki Mingo or JFF to warm the bench while you start UDFAs.

@cdl15 said:

Pettine correct on the jump balls. No effort from Gordon at all on either

Effort from Gordon is setting your expectations out of whack. Their other receivers have overachieved though this year, props to them.

Stirring the pot? This guy is a complete POS. he's actually surprised that his team doesn't embrace the fact he repeatedly lets them down by being selfish and stupid? Unbelievable. Everyone should cater to him, 2013 Garbage Time Hero. He's one bad weekend away from the CFL.

@johnnyfootfungus said:

Aren't there any Browns fans up yet?? Shit, I'm sitting in my deer watch wanting to converse. Wake up Brownies!!

They are all passed out at The 9 with JFF. Thanksgiving Eve is prime time for that age group. Meanwhile Hoyaaaaaah was tucked in bed with his playbook after some nice warm milk.