@brownb499 said:

I would prefer Holmgren, simply because he knows what we have...He has witnessed an entire season with the roster he supplied

He now knows what Pittsburgh and Baltimore bring 4 games a year...and what he's going to need to beat them

I could see him bringing in an all star staff (Ray Rhodes,Steve Mariucci,Dick Juerron,Jim Zorn) just to make sure he succeeds

I watched his press conference today, and from his answers today and from what I know about him watching/listening to him in Seattle for 10 years, I really don't think he is going to coach again in the NFL. I think he's put that chapter of his life behind him. He might have a little bit of the "itch" still from time to time, but when push comes to shove I don't think he wants to go back to that grind. (And I don't think his wife wants him to either.)

Just my two cents.

I attended the Seahawks Browns game in 2007. Some fans were decent and polite, others were pretty obnoxious and mean and violent. I was taken aback. Just because I had a Seahawks coat on. I learned some Seahawks fans at that game even had their vehicles vandalized.

I like the Browns, but the Seahawks are my favorite team. I would like to attend the game in Cleveland in the 2011 season, but would I have to go incognito (aka no Seahawks gear) and sit on my hands the whole time? Geez.

@dencyguy said:

Again, though, "bad calls" doesn't mean "fixed game."...

Give me some evidence other than "It really makes you wonder...," and I'll be happy to re-consider my opinion....

That game was fixed. I taped it and watched the whole thing a number of times in the weeks and months of the aftermath later. Some plays & sequences over and over and in slow motion to make sure I was seeing what I was seeing. "Two bad calls" in the 4th quarter doesn't even begin to describe the officiating bias in that game. In addition to the big, glaring bad calls, there were a multitude of little things like bad ball spots for the Seahawks and uncalled penalties on the Steelers, etc. all game long that most people don't notice or talk about now. Cumulatively, it can be seen that the Seahawks simply were not to be allowed to win that game. The Steelers were to be given such a huge compettive advantage in the officiating department, that it would be next to impossible for the Seahawks (or any other NFL team for that matter) to overcome. I lost an enormous amount of respect for the NFL that day. Not just as a Seahawks fan, but as a football fan in general.

Delhomme's last two playoff games in his entire career:

Against the Seattle Seahawks at Qwest Field in Seattle, Washington, January 22, 2006:

15 completions, 35 attempts, 42.9% completed, 196 yards, 1 tds, 3 ints, 34.9 QB rate

Against the Arizona Cardinals at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte, North Carolina:

17 completions, 34 attempts, 50.0% completed, 205 yards, 1 tds, 5 ints, 39.1 QB rate

Just as an f.y.i.

Ben Rapistburger, lol. If I was that girl's dad I would kick his ass. Punk.

I will be watching and rooting fro the Browns even more this season and Holmgren. I always want you guys to beat the Stealers that's why that prime time game last season was so awesome. Whether Seneca is the starter or not, we'll see. Hopefully with Ben Rapeingburger sitting out a number of games that will help give the Browns the edge to take the division. Here's hoping for a season sweep of the Stealers!

Fyi too many Seahawks fans never gave Seneca Wallace a chance, and didn't like him because he isn't 6'+. Well, Drew Brees isn't all that tall either, lol! My view has always been right along, "don't sleep on Seneca Wallace!" If Delhomme isn't the starter then I am really going to be watching Seneca at the helm of the Browns as much as I can.

Don't be surprised if Seneca Wallace is the Browns starting Q.B. for week 1. He has a lot of potential that is waiting to burst loose. Delhomme seems to be in a steep decline (though probably a halfway decent insurance policy for the Browns for the time being). McKoy won't be ready to start right away. You may be pleasantly surprised by Seneca. Hopefully the Browns with let him run & scramble more than the Seahawks did though.

Good luck in Cleveland Mike Holmgren. It's time for a new chapter in your career!

Ha ha very funny.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

The ref raised his hand to signal Ben is down, not for ball spot implications.......That's the NFL's explaination.

The ball crossed the play in mid-air before Ben landed(and should and WAS immediately signaled as being "down") and before he streched the ball over the goalline a SECOND time.......Again, this is the explaination from both the NFL and the associtaion of officiating.

The ball did not cross the plane when Ben leaped for the goal line. I don't understand how anyone can make that claim. It's on tape!

From the NFL Rule Book:

CROWD NOISE,

DEAD BALL, or NEUTRAL

ZONE ESTABLISHED

One arm above head

with an open hand.

With fist closed: Fourth Down.

Remember during SB 40 when TE Stevens caught the ball, turned up field, took THREE full step before any contact, got hit, dropped the ball, and then finally went down himself? Remember how the ref immediately blew the whistle to rule and incompletion and stopping any chance of the Steelers to review and gain possesion.

If we're thinking of the same play then it's too bad they didn't rule fumble because the ball rolled out of bounds. The Seahawks would have been given the gain, and retained possession. As it was I think they had to punt on that drive.

@beefjerky said:

It's in this article: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...e=ESPNHeadlines

I kinda don't want Holmgren... he was stripped of his GM duties in Seattle and was better as a HC there, I just hope they keep Mangini.

I wanted to keep Holmgren in Seattle as GM, but such is life. Congrats to the Browns for landing him.

IMHO the only reason Holmgren relinquished GM duties was because he just had too much on his plate to go along with HC. FWIW I think he is a great football mind and should help improve the Browns.

@crikes said:

Did you mean "Ben Cocklessburger"?

One time at a school event a little girl asked Matt Hasselbeck if he thinks girls will be able to play in the NFL someday. Without missing a beat, Matt said "girls can play in the NFL, Ben Roethlisburger plays for the Steelers right?" Lol.

Back to the topic, is Brady Quinn no longer considered the long-term answer at QB for the Browns?

@mr.-t said:

I have seen refs pull out credit cards before to see if the nose has cleared the box. anyway you put it, you can stick a fat wallet in there and they were still going to call first down.

Take a closer look what angle do you see? But first take off the piss stained sunglasses.

Another case for cheating go to 1.01 on the video and freeze frame it. and dont give me this shit about angles and camera views the camera is right on the goal line.

You're right that wasn't a touchdown by Ben. There is of course the obvious visual evidence that the ball did not break the plane, but also, notice that the ref was about to signal 4th down because he knew it wasn't a TD. Then, AFTER the play is dead Ben scoots the ball across the goal line and the ref signals touchdown IN RESPONSE to this dead ball movement. Open and shut case.

Note also at about 0:45 RT Max Starks is illegally well downfield past the LOS before Ben throws the ball. That is what the line judge is there for, that's his responsibility. Play should have been called back.

@miktoxic said:

what's zorn's connection with holmgren?

Zorn was the Seahawks QB coach under Holmgren. I think he thought he was in line for the Seahawks OC position when Holmgren left, but the offer didn't come and then the Redskins called.