@hx214 said:

I guess this move makes sense if they were never going to let him play anyway, and if they are going all power running.

With Hardesty back next year I doubt Davis would have been on the field much anyway (Assuming Hardesty can stay healthy) and if they keep Bell they will have 3 solid power runners that will straight up steamroll and gas opposing team's defenses.

Would have been nice to try to get a 6th rounder back for him earlier in the season if they were just going to dump him though.

My only issue with this type of run game is the lack of a speedster. I think in the NFL you have to have that guy in the backfield that can hit the homerun anytime he touches the ball. I love this type of power football, but I don't know if it works in the NFL.

Not to change the subject, but that's precisely how I would like to see Cribbs be used: a speedster in the backfield. Pitch backs, etc. Get him the ball in space and let him do what he does. Kinda Reggie Bush-esque. Seems a better place for his natural talents than at receiver, where he has to concern himself with routes, etc. But...I suppose he's fully entrenched at the receiver position now.

@usfbrown said:

I like this philosophy. I'd rather let the other team beat us, than us beat ourselves. It's crazy the amount of turn overs and penalties we have. So what, let the players worry about fumbling or penalties. It's their job...

Although i didn't believe in Mangini at first, i definitely do now. He's right, there's nothing else he can do. If guys continue to suck, he's got to change them out. Let him get the guys he wants and this team will turn it around.

As much as I am all for taking a stern approach and having a disciplined team...if a guy turns the ball over once, I hand it to him again. Use his frustration and competitive spirit to counter his mistake. Turn a negative into a positive. Now, if it becomes a continued problem (like Hillis last week), then I understand removing the player. Do you think that once fumble-prone RB Tiki Barber corrected his bad ways to become such an effective ball carrier by NOT playing?

I don't know. I have mixed feelings on this particular hard stance from Mangini. It worries me a bit.

@brownindian said:

Who do you think will make it in the Browns roster ?

Unless Jerrome Harrison gets traded I dont see how both these RB's are going to be in the squad.

It's possible neither of them make the final roster. That backfield is pretty crowded...

Homotron said:

The difference is I don't usually post on the other boards as often because they aren't preoccupied with discussing the Steelers at every turn...

Maybe that's because those other teams haven't been main rivals of the Steelers for 50+ years.

@dawgtracker said:

Anderson could have come to Holmgren and talked to him. If that had happened and Holmgren thought he had some potential DA could possibly still be here. But if you aren't motivated enough to come speak with the new GM who is making the QB decision what does that say about you?

It says that Derek Anderson had zero desire to stay another year in Cleveland. Do you blame him?

@bonedawg said:

Many thanks to the dude! Dropping DA for nothing and maybe getting a 4th-5th rounder for Quinn. Sounds about right to me.

Well, one was a 6th round draft pick we grabbed off of the Ratbird's practice squad, and the other was a first rounder who cost us a 1st AND a 2nd round pick. So... yeah. About right, I guess.

@calfoxwc said:

Cleveland police said Wright, Browns No. 24, was southbound on Interstate 77 when he got on the ramp to Interstate 490 about 2:10 a.m.

2:10 am, huh? Well, I think we can all see what's coming next re: this story.

The good news is, there are currently very few players good enough to significantly harm this team if they become unavailable to us. Sean Rogers, Josh Cribbs, D'quell Jackson....wait, I guess we already lost DQ for the season...

@dabrowns41 said:

Ok, speak english, then we will talk.

I can't understand what you say when you can't spell and put sentences together.

This coming from a guy who goes my "Da browns." Funny.

And if you really thought there was any pocket whatsoever on Anderson's fumble, you either were caught up in the emotion of (yet) another Brown's loss (understandable), or you have no idea of what a "pocket" is. (Hint: watching the time & space that Ben had to work with all game should illustrate the difference.)

@restinpeace said:

Good god man, what don't you get? Recievers must adjust to a poorly thrown ball, of course it will "hit them in the hands". This was a complaint of Anderson 2 years ago. Lucky him Kellen,BE had career years and JJ was still around.

You are correct: they MUST adjust to the ball. That IS their job as a professional receiver playing in the NFL. I am so sick of hearing about guys dropping the ball because of "how it was thrown." Elway's receivers were well known to have dislocated fingers and bruises/broken ribs due to the velocity of Elway's throws. Didn't matter: they caught the ball or they were off the team.

I don't know what's happening with the "grooming of receivers" at the college level. They all come into the league primadonnas that don't know how to CATCH THE FREAKING BALL. Like Braylon, they excel at crazy leaping, etc., but somehow the fundamentals of the position seem to be lost on them.

And don't get me started on defensive TACKLING...

@fooleeze said:

I just want to add that I was also at the game, and I certainly didn't get the warm-fuzzy about DA's game as others did. He certainly played 'decent' by DA standards, and 'better' by the standards Quinn set over the past few games, but there was a lot left on the field in this game as well because of DA's inaccuracy.

That red-zone interception was not miscommunication, it was simply a BAD throw. He was looking right at Heiden and didn't even see the DB coming at him from the outside. Threw it low and behind Heiden, and we had the result. If Heiden was really supposed to curl that around, then it still would have been picked off, because there was a DB right behind him, on his right hip.

The throw where he led MoMass out of bounds and the "TD-ruled down at the 1" throw were both beautiful throws and catches.

It became VERY clear to me in this game that one of the biggest issues in the passing attack was that nobody was getting open in the previous games. Cribbs couldn't get open, so they put him back on special teams. Edwards isn't getting open, because he's being double-teamed all the time. By putting MoMass in there, there's finally now a player getting open, demanding more attention, and spreading out the defense. The only players that seemed to be getting open in the past were the 'dump-off' players, the RBs, TEs, and sometimes Furrey.

You know, I can't imagine any other team's QBs being scrutinized to the extreme level that they are here in Cleveland. And especially Anderson. If you put every single throw under a microscope (like we seem to do here), ANY QB is going to show (what appear to be) some bad tosses and poor decisions. Even guys named Brady and Manning. The difference is, none of us ever WATCH those guys with such extreme scrutiny. And I would guess their fans don't either (probably because their TEAMS are largely winners.)

Let's play a new game around here: let's watch some other games the rest of the year and put the "other guys" under the same microscope that we put our guys under. Should be an interesting experiment.

You gotta let the guys play, instead of critiquing every single snap. Personally, I think THIS is why Quinn played so tight...

Rant over...

@lemosley01 said:

The same can be said of Anderson. What has Anderson shown this year that he can move the team forward? If you're going to discount past performances from Quinn, then you should be ignoring DAs past performance as well.

Do you think 3 INTs in 2 quarters of play is 'showing something'?

First, I have seen DA move the ball down the field. I really haven't seen Quinn do that. (And I am amazed to even being typing that right now...)

Second, I am not using "past" performances; I'm using "current" performances, unless you are suggesting that the 10 quarters that Quinn played to be "the past."

I want to reiterate that I am not some sort of DA fan...at all. I just don't understand the extreme disrespect for the man I read on here and for what he HAS accomplished, standing in stark contrast to the unconditional love/hope the fan base seems to have for projected on to Quinn. It's mind boggling.

In actuality, I don't really think that DA is continually compared to Quinn, per se; I think he (a known commodity) is constantly compared to the unknown commodity that Quinn represented. We are a fan base so desperate for SOMETHING that we are continually drawn to what "could be." (We did the same thing, to a lesser degree, with Charlie Frye...)

And what "could be" largely has come crashing down, once again imploding our hopes and dreams.

We keep getting nothing in return for every shiny new "could be" that comes down the pike. DA never represented that to us (6 round draft pick; practice squad player; third string behind two hometown favorites just two years ago); yet he's given us more than any other QB has since our return....DESPITE his interceptions. I guess you get a few of those from a young (25 yr old) guy with no pedigree to proceed him.

We're just all pissed because he's not the long-term answer. But who here expected him to be?

Masters said:

I'd argue it is right on par w/ the QBing through the first 3 games last season.

I wouldn't, but we all have different opinions. I guess there are "different" kinds of bad. Unfortunately, we get to see both kinds in one position on this team!

@danamal said:

Quinn had a shot, not much of one but had a shot move forward not backward.

With all due respect, I haven't seen anything--not one single play--that supports this statement.

I want a competitive team as much as the next fan. I want to see a QB have SOME sort of success here. And I understand we've all seen Anderson and can debate his successes and failures ad nauseum.

BUT...there is absolutely NOTHING to debate about Quinn's performance thus far this year. There is absolutely nothing--not even a single glimpse-- suggesting he can move ANYTHING forward. Figuratively and literally. Quinn has been absolutely impotent on that field this year.

I wish I could point to at least a handful of plays that Quinn has made this year that provide hope. I honestly can't.

Hate on DA all you want. He IS dangerous with the ball; you just don't know WHO'S gonna grab it. But based on the alternative (at least over the 10 quarters) I don't see how anyone can objectively NOT understand the decision to put DA out there this weekend...warts and all. To say the alternative has been abysmal is an understatement. Granted, this TEAM is awful...but this has honestly been some of the worst QBing I have ever seen. And I, too, don't understand the regression to what appears to be high school status.

And I also understand what this decision seems to indicate for our team this year as fans: very little hope for progressing. And I share the frustration. I just don't think we have any good options right now.

@shepwrite said:

Quinn threw two great deep balls down the left sideline to BE that just didn't work out. On one, BE didn't reestablish himself in the field of play and on the other he dropped it.

Do you honestly believe that was a "great deep ball" to Edwards? It got rather hung up. If it was in stride, we wouldn't be talking about a push out at all.

I REALLY wish I shared your belief on this, because Lord knows I want to believe Quinn's got the great deep ball in his game.

@vegasdogg said:

I liked Adam the first few weeks I got Sirius. Now I cannot stand him. The reason being he is always ADAMANT about how right he is when talking and then ends up wrong a majority ofthe time. And he's also very annoying.

Just saw on ESPN that Berman is picking Cleveland. I think he had the score 19-13. I was a bit shocked...

@mr.-t said:

Then we can count on #4 throwing a pick or 2

Or at least a crackblock or two...

@danamal said:

Velvet Dog?

What are you a George Costanza wanna be?

Ensconced in velvet...

Rather than "oh boy" speak up.

Didn't mean to kick up dust, it's just that when we (collectively as fans) are so focused our QB derby that we are now using video of a ref tripping over our QB (offsides, no less) to prove that said QB cannot effectively lead an NFL team, I think "Oh boy" more than covers it.

Sorry, but I (like many other fans) am just ready for the season to start and refuse to throw ANY of my beloved team's QBs (including our most recent starting QB) under the bus...especially because of an overzealous, embarrassed referee. I usually refrain from commenting on this stuff, but I think we are all so focused on this, that EVERY LITTLE THING is analyzed to become some sort of an indictment of one QB or the other. RANT OVER...

HOWEVER...this exchange was all worth it because of the "George Costanza ensconced in velvet" line! Good stuff;)

@danamal said:

OK,

I just saw the game and in regards to the penalty called on DA ,

DA is a bumblefuk.

The reason isnt so much the penalty rather his lack of focus,he was all alone {in and of itself weird} on the field rather than the sidelines staring at the jumbotron watching the game rather than preparing for his chance on the field which he got after the change of possession.

He really is not up to the challenge of leading any team in the NFL,atleast not to the playoffs and certaintly not a superbowl.

Oh boy...

Masters said:

Read the sentence right after Quinn's percentage. You got a sampling of 10 quarters of play vs. a whole lot more attempts. The real point Pluto is making is the trend with DA.

That is a good point, and I did understand that when reading. However, if the point of your argument (Pluto) is statistics, and then you argue that Quinn's history in the NFL doesn't provide a large enough (or accurate enough) sample to judge, then why make that the argument for your article? It's kind of much ado about nothing...again.

Masters said:

Two years separate them in age on the planet, but 25+ NFL starts and 2 years of being in the NFL do separate them in NFL age/experience.

Again, true (although it's really only 16 months...they are basically the same age.) Although Quinn has 4-years of starting experience at arguably one of the nation's top college football programs (at least at the time) that ran an "NFL type" offense. He was billed as the most "NFL ready" QB in the draft where he was selected in the first round. Clearly, he has "the pedigree" which is why we are all excited.

Anderson, on the other hand, does not have that pedigree...or that college experience to pull from. You never know what one's path to success will be and this still feels very much like apples to oranges, no matter what inconclusive stats you parade about.

And by the way...I am truly one of those guys who could truly care about WHO the QB is, as long as they are successful.

You know, I generally like Pluto better than the other talking head pundits, but even he is having a hard time angling for a story on this dead horse topic. The problem I have with this article is, he tries to come of factual, but the only true facts you can take away from the article are:

• Anderson's short pass completion percentage last year was 54.2; Quinn's was 54.4.

• Two years separate the two in age. (Well, they're actually only 16 months apart in age, but who's counting...besides Pluto.)

If you're trying to make a case for one guy being clearly ahead of the other, these stats sure aren't accomplishing that.