@calfoxwc said:

whining. You're whining again. hateful whining.

I didn't mean to make you cry. Maybe if you stop WHINING,

and just talk Browns football, you wouldn't be so sad.

and still boring.

But, you didn't have the courage to banter with me on a thread,

you just pm'd me with this boring whine:

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a bitch

so, can your ignorant ass address issues, or just talk about whining?

have expansion teams dilluted the talent pool? yes or no?

judging by your previous comments, you will just say something dumb now instead of "taking football"

@flugel said:

The first 3 are interesting enough to want to know what the last 2 things are going to be. I've only seen Jennings a few times but he looked like a real pleasant surprise each time I did. Veikune is an intriguing specimen while I don't know a thign about Ventrone (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).

- Tom F.

i only had three, i accidently typed five. although a WIN could be a nice # 4 and Mangini getting run over by a golf cart could be a nice 5th

@blowe said:

Chris Jennings a monster?? I don't know if I would go that far with it, but I agree with you that it will be nice to see Veikune out on the field today (or at least I hope).

Question:

If you get to see these three things will you quit with the constant Mangina thread spamming?

i have chose to refrain about the Mangina untill after the game today. if we win, i will be nice to him. if we lose i will call him out for being a manGINA

Here are five things I've wanted to see all year:

1) Veikune: this guy was huge in college, would love to see what he has got. They didn't call him Viking in college for nothing!

2) Ventrone: Dude has got hands! When he was at Villanova dude could catch anything. He might be the one to connect with the DA

3) Chris Jennings: Dude is a monster. I say put him in as WildDawg. Was a monster QB in high school. could probably perform

Some really big hopes here for me, but if I saw more of these guys I would be jacked. Slappin high fives with guys and slappin asses on women!

discuss....

Dwayne Rudd owes $696,525 in unpaid child support, according to the State of Illinois "Deadbeat Parents" website

I think Coach Mangina likes DA's strong hands. Thats why he put him in over Quinn. Problem they have now is that he found out that Cribb's are bigger, so he is starting to put him in more. Regardless, I heard that the Lerners were pissed because the orders of baby oil and vasoline going to the locker room have doubled under Mangina's reign. It being a tough economy and all they can't afford to pay for these items.

Masters said:

As someone said earlier this week, is an exciting loss really any better than a boring loss? The result is the same.

incorrect: during an exciting loss the team can build moral and actually improve their chemistry...neither of those things happen during the boring losses.

@crow said:

I think it's funny we've gone from bitching we are hopeless to being pissed our team didn't end the game before overtime.

amen

So I decided to go over to the Ravens forums for their take on today's "game." Its funny, they aren't even saying a WORD about the Browns, they are talking about next week.

We, are talking about our 4th quarterback controversy in ten years. Even worse, people are even talking about Savage.

This shit has got to stop. We are worthless.

@danamal said:

Nobody said you cant root for whatever team you want but when it comes to the Browns we all have some sort of connection with the team in one of the numbers on the OP post and The OP is a moderator here so STFU.

So that is what it has come to now? Being told that if we disagree with the moderator we should STFU? Its guys like you that make it embarassing to admit that you are a browns fan. All Im trying to say is that we sound lame when we start putting geographical qualifications on being a true fan. It just feeds into the stereotype that Browns fans are all delusional. I would rather us be humble, and when our teams start to win, we can gloat.

Ive been to NFL games in about 5 cities in addition to Cleveland. The big difference is that the fans in these cities are much "cooler" than Browns fans. This is because pretty much every team in the league can look forward to being competitors every few years. If you are with them, great...if you are against them, well then thats up to you. What do we get in Cleveland? Douchebags try and require Joe Blow from Westlake and Jim Bob from Mentor to bleed Orange and Brown every single week for their entire lives, or they aren't considered good enough. Its kind of like a dieing religion. We must all be 100% pure or we aren't dedicated enough. We should let the Browns rise and fall like a religion...if they do a good job at what they are doing, they will grow and be widely accepted...if they don't, they lose support.

Finally, its guys like those posting here that have made actually going to Browns games unbearable. Tailgating for the Browns is like going to a bad Irish Wake. Its so cliche: first couple beers everyone is having a good time. After about beer 4, some guy starts playing "Pittsburgh sucks" (even though we are playing Cincinnatti), after about 6 beers someone starts talking about Bernie, after about 10 beers everyone realizes that the team is actually dead. You then get to go sit in direct sunlight (thanks to our wonderful stadium design) for 3 hours.

All Im trying to say is, the Browns suck. You can't start getting to nit-picky about who "true fans" are.

@wpb-dawg-fan said:

We often have trolls come onto this site to pump themselves up about "their" team. It is amazing how NONE of these fist pumpers consider themselves bandwagon fans. So, in an effort to clarify the truth of their fan-dom, I offer this simple explanation of what a bandwagon fan is:

1. You did not grow up in (or live in for an extended period) the immediate area of the team you now follow.

2. Your family members are not originally FROM the area of the team you now follow.

3. Nobody in your immediate family was a fan PRIOR to you becoming a fan of the team you now follow.

4. You became a fan during a period where the team you follow was very good/dominant.

5. You have never had to go through an extended period of time where the team was not good (over 4 years).

By definition, as the Browns have not even had a good team in over a decade, EVERY BROWNS FAN IS A TRUE FAN!!!

Teams that are MOST LIKELY to have HIGH NUMBERS of bandwagon fans are:

Pittsburgh Steelers: Many joined the ranks in the 70's, but the 90's and recent success are also big

Dallas Cowboys: 70's and 90's are their calling cards

New England Patriots: The true "johnny come lately's"

SF 49ers: They lost their luster lately, but they had the 80's and 90's

Indianapolis Colts: Pretty much post Manning draft

New York Giants: Any time a NY team wins the big one....get on board

So, if you are visiting, and find you fit the bill...please own up to it. We don't care.

WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!! 🥷

Just GOT to love guys like you. Ahh, the typical "die hard" who looks down on anyone who isn't a "pureblood." Who are you to come up with these qualificationS? Can you honestly fault anyone in Cleveland for rooting for another team? ITS JUST A SPORT. Sure, I enjoy it, but hell, who are you to say I can't root for team A this year and Team B the year after that? This isn't the WAR ON TERROR, dude. THIS POST JUST SERVES TO PROOVE THAT WHEN YOUR TEAM BLOWS (I.E. CLEVELAND) YOU START TO POST ABOUT SOME STUPID SHIT.

@hiwaygal said:

From Webster's Dictionary:

Main Entry: loy·al

Pronunciation: \ˈlȯi(-ə)l\

Function: adjective

Etymology: Middle French, from Old French leial, leel, from Latin legalis legal

Date: 1531

1 : unswerving in allegiance: as a : faithful in allegiance to one's lawful sovereign or government b : faithful to a private person to whom fidelity is due c : faithful to a cause, ideal, custom, institution, or product

2 : showing loyalty

3 obsolete : lawful, legitimate

That's what loyalty is.

Your post above reeked of self-loathing caused by a team of which you claim to be a fan. If you are a loyal fan, even the sucky years are part of your heritage. When the wins come (and THEY WILL COME) they will be much sweeter. If you can't understand that, I have no idea how to explain it to you.

I am loyal to my hometown team. Because I always have been and always will be.

The Ravens ARE NOT the Browns. Art Modell took his team and left. That's not our team. We've moved on, unfortunately not forward, but onward.

We do not have to be humble. We have an amazing record of football history and fandom. We see what we could be, not what others want us to see.

You sound like you really want to be a fan of another team. Or a steeler fan who is trying to make us feel bad because our team is doing so poorly. Either that or you are too young to remember the glory days. Either way, if you want to hang your head in shame, go for it. Just don't do it while wearing your Browns hat, okay?

Yep, Yep, just the sort of mindless responses I would get. I don't remember the glory days? what does remembering games from twenty years ago do to help me feel better while I watch a team get their assess kicked for nine out of ten years?

I absolutely loved your post that said "When the wins come (and THEY WILL COME)" You are the exact reason why this town sucks. You just keep saying, year after year, that next year will be great. You MUST remain "loyal." How about not remaing loyal, not trying to think it will get better. If we all did that, how long would it take for these bums (Lerner all the way down) to figure it out they couldn't keep making millions of dollars a year for doing nothing. Go throw $80 down on a throwback and think you are cool.

I say this with complete honesty, not at all attempting to be funny,

BUT, I HAVE HONESTLY SEEN MORE EXCITING MIDDLE SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAMES

take that, think about it, and then try and tell me that I am not right. HOW MANY F*CKING FIELD GOALS DO I HAVE TO WATCH BEFORE I GET A TOUCHDOWN?? at least in middle school football they have to go for it since they don't have any kickers.

F*CK this organization

@hiwaygal said:

I will not admit that you are 'right'.

That would be giving you the pity you think you deserve as a Browns fan.

I'm still proud of my team...even when they suck. It's part of being a loyal fan.

If it bothers you that much, go cheer for pissburgh.

Why does being proud of a horrible organization translate into "being a loyal fan." I am not trying to argue here, and I am certainly not looking for "pity", I dont even care about that, I am just saying, we all need to reevalute things here.

Also, what exactly is it that you are being "loyal" to? the "idea" of the browns? Its not the same team (the ravens are the browns) are you loyal to the coaches? which ones? the players? which ones? Detroit is in many ways a more respectable team than the Browns. At least they know what they are. How about our city shuts its mouth, acts humble, and when we beat Pittsburgh, then we can celebrate.

go ahead and tell me that I was never a real fan, or whatever some of you mindless ones will no doubt say after reading this, but...

-Do you ever watch those commercials during the game, you know the ones with tons of jacked up football fans eating chips and drinking pop, and jumping up and down...and sigh, and say, man, i wish i knew how that feels? There has been maybe 5 games since 1999, where I can honestly say there was an amazing, positive vibe at a football party I was at.

-Do you realize how absolutely LAME we sound when we talk about the pre-NFL championship? or the bernie years? We look like a bunch of douches. I know several Pittsburgh fans...I was driving in a car with them once (go ahead someone and make a lame joke about "sorry to hear about your luck, man it must have sucked to get stuck in a car with Shittsburgh fans!") and the "pittsburgh sucks, pittsburgh sucks!" song came on and they just looked at me. I felt like a loser. They didn't even need to say anything, It was just obvious how incredibly shitty our team is. I mean, we have songs, they have superbowl rings.

-cue up MJ's "you are not alone" and admit that I am right.

Where was K2 today? Dude was a non-entity