PFF ranks Baker Mayfield tenth best QB heading into 2021
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I don’t think so...and that award is probably the most wide open award. No one stands out to me
And LBs get the award - see Darius Leonard.
If JOK flashes and looks good in preseason. Why wouldn’t he be a three down guy? And He will only benefit from the attention put on Garrett. Maybe we see the splash plays like we saw at ND with his athleticism- TD, TFLs, Sacks, INT, FFSo from 2000 to 2009, 7 times the DROY was won by off-ball linebackers.
Since 2010 to 2020....? Only Twice with 2012 & 2017.
I presume you have ideas as to why that is. Hell, the award has been won by as many corners and in that same previous decade timespan - Marcus Peters & Marshon Lattimore. IDL & Edge have been the most common winners.
So for JOK to come in and not have an obvious starting role, as evidenced by his "working in on 3rd downs" comment during mini- camp, it's easy to understand that he's ready to be a full time athlete. However he isn't quite ready to be an every down WILL backer.... Yet. You're right, things could change in camp and pre-season. But I wouldn't lock in any bet this early until I saw otherwise.
So from 2000 to 2009, 7 times the DROY was won by off-ball linebackers.
Since 2010 to 2020....? Only Twice with 2012 & 2017.
So for JOK to come in and not have an obvious starting role, as evidenced by his "working in on 3rd downs" comment during mini- camp, it's easy to understand that he's ready to be a full time athlete. However he isn't quite ready to be an every down WILL backer.... Yet. You're right, things could change in camp and pre-season. But I wouldn't lock in any bet this early until I saw otherwise.
Here's a perfect example of what "Not* to do".... https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/zaven-collins-arizona-cardinals-starter-mike-lb
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So from 2000 to 2009, 7 times the DROY was won by off-ball linebackers.
Since 2010 to 2020....? Only Twice with 2012 & 2017.
So for JOK to come in and not have an obvious starting role, as evidenced by his "working in on 3rd downs" comment during mini- camp, it's easy to understand that he's ready to be a full time athlete. However he isn't quite ready to be an every down WILL backer.... Yet. You're right, things could change in camp and pre-season. But I wouldn't lock in any bet this early until I saw otherwise.
Here's a perfect example of what "Not* to do".... https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/zaven-collins-arizona-cardinals-starter-mike-lb
Here's a perfect example of what "Not* to do".... https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/zaven-collins-arizona-cardinals-starter-mike-lb
Interesting move. Classically, your MIKE backer wears the helmet mic... Not sure how comfortable coach Vance feels putting a rookie in that situation along with a minor position switch.
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Here's a perfect example of what "Not* to do".... https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/zaven-collins-arizona-cardinals-starter-mike-lb
Interesting move. Classically, your MIKE backer wears the helmet mic... Not sure how comfortable coach Vance feels putting a rookie in that situation along with a minor position switch.
Interesting move. Classically, your MIKE backer wears the helmet mic... Not sure how comfortable coach Vance feels putting a rookie in that situation along with a minor position switch.
I suppose because of Hick's salary, and injuries in the past, and his size - 6'1", 236 - they went ahead and make the change, but it does put pressure on the rookie. Hicks is quite productive - it would have made more sense to let Zaven Collins EARN the starter position. If it was as soon as the first regular season game, so be it.
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Jim Kelly was not the #10 overall QB during his era.
I still say Kelly was over rated. Sugar huddle made him.
175 INTs in 160 career games. Not good.
I still say Kelly was over rated. Sugar huddle made him.
175 INTs in 160 career games. Not good.
Dan Marino threw 252 interceptions in 242 games.
Warren Moon threw 233 interceptions in 208 games.
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I don’t think so...and that award is probably the most wide open award. No one stands out to me
And LBs get the award - see Darius Leonard.
If JOK flashes and looks good in preseason. Why wouldn’t he be a three down guy? And He will only benefit from the attention put on Garrett. Maybe we see the splash plays like we saw at ND with his athleticism- TD, TFLs, Sacks, INT, FFSo from 2000 to 2009, 7 times the DROY was won by off-ball linebackers.
Since 2010 to 2020....? Only Twice with 2012 & 2017.
I presume you have ideas as to why that is. Hell, the award has been won by as many corners and in that same previous decade timespan - Marcus Peters & Marshon Lattimore. IDL & Edge have been the most common winners.
So for JOK to come in and not have an obvious starting role, as evidenced by his "working in on 3rd downs" comment during mini- camp, it's easy to understand that he's ready to be a full time athlete. However he isn't quite ready to be an every down WILL backer.... Yet. You're right, things could change in camp and pre-season. But I wouldn't lock in any bet this early until I saw otherwise.
So from 2000 to 2009, 7 times the DROY was won by off-ball linebackers.
Since 2010 to 2020....? Only Twice with 2012 & 2017.
I presume you have ideas as to why that is. Hell, the award has been won by as many corners and in that same previous decade timespan - Marcus Peters & Marshon Lattimore. IDL & Edge have been the most common winners.
So for JOK to come in and not have an obvious starting role, as evidenced by his "working in on 3rd downs" comment during mini- camp, it's easy to understand that he's ready to be a full time athlete. However he isn't quite ready to be an every down WILL backer.... Yet. You're right, things could change in camp and pre-season. But I wouldn't lock in any bet this early until I saw otherwise.
So from 2000 to 2009, 7 times the DROY was won by off-ball linebackers.
Since 2010 to 2020....? Only Twice with 2012 & 2017.
I presume you have ideas as to why that is. Hell, the award has been won by as many corners and in that same previous decade timespan - Marcus Peters & Marshon Lattimore. IDL & Edge have been the most common winners.
So for JOK to come in and not have an obvious starting role, as evidenced by his "working in on 3rd downs" comment during mini- camp, it's easy to understand that he's ready to be a full time athlete. However he isn't quite ready to be an every down WILL backer.... Yet. You're right, things could change in camp and pre-season. But I wouldn't lock in any bet this early until I saw otherwise.
If he becomes an every down backer those odds may no longer be favorable. So you lock in better betting odds now.
And There are no Lavante David’s standing in his way so while he may not be truly ready he may be the best guy.
Mini Camp baby steps... training camp bigger steps ...preseason another step.
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Maybe Clowney will actually get a sack! ?
Maybe Clowney will actually get a sack! ?
Got the makings of a D.O. question there...
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Maybe Clowney will actually get a sack! ?
Got the makings of a D.O. question there...
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Gumby wins $500 bucks on his lunch time Carolina scratch off ticket ?
Help! spend Gumby's winnings....
Whom shall we drop some winnings on? https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nfl-player-futures
Congrats!
- HC: Robert Saleh at +2200 caught my eye... NYJ looks set to improve on their 2-14 record... only issue is it is gonna be tough road for NYJ to eek into playoffs. A couple of Saleh's AFCE brethren, Flores +1600, McDermott +1600, look attractive as well, but how can you resist Bill "I'm a Man on a mission with a reloaded roster" Belichick at +1800?
- DPOY: DL dominate lately (Watt and Donald) so DuPree at +6600 under Vrabel in TN and/or Clowney at same odds.
- CBPOY: Teboe +2000, if you have to pick one... word is he's really looking the part of a TE on OTAs and you know Urban loves him.
- DROY: LBs rule this one... Cox +4000 next to Parsons in Big D looks enticing.
- OROY: Only position to spoil the recent QB run is RB... Sermon +2000 in SF looks well positioned among the longer shots, but Harris +1000 in PTG deserves strong consideration.
- MVP (a/k/a The QB Award) : Mayfield +3300 jumps out.
That was fun!
Congrats!
- HC: Robert Saleh at +2200 caught my eye... NYJ looks set to improve on their 2-14 record... only issue is it is gonna be tough road for NYJ to eek into playoffs. A couple of Saleh's AFCE brethren, Flores +1600, McDermott +1600, look attractive as well, but how can you resist Bill "I'm a Man on a mission with a reloaded roster" Belichick at +1800?
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Kliff Kingsbury +2800-------$100.00 - DPOY: DL dominate lately (Watt and Donald) so DuPree at +6600 under Vrabel in TN and/or Clowney at same odds.
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Chase Young +1200----------$100.00 - CBPOY: Teboe +2000, if you have to pick one... word is he's really looking the part of a TE on OTAs and you know Urban loves him.
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Christian McCaffrey +850---------$100.00 - DROY: LBs rule this one... Cox +4000 next to Parsons in Big D looks enticing.
- 2nd option... Micah Parsons +500
- Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah +1400-------------$100.00
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- OROY: Only position to spoil the recent QB run is RB... Sermon +2000 in SF looks well positioned among the longer shots, but Harris +1000 in PTG deserves strong consideration
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2nd option... RB UNC Javonte Williams +1600------- will start in Denver, with a Munchuk coached OL ? Ja'Marr Chase +800-------------$100.00 - MVP (a/k/a The QB Award) : Mayfield +3300 jumps out.
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Baker Mayfield +3300------------------$100.00 (only true out of pocket)
That was fun!
Hitting the betting button sometime Monday....
I know me?
I can't trust Tua..and won't trust Dak/Stafford or Burrow coming off those injuries..
Mahomes & or Rogers are about as betting vanilla as choosing Arians & or Andy Reid...and that's just not me...
I can be talked off two..
Ja'marr Chase...just don't see a QB winning this OROY.. Looks to be RB or WR.. guessing i'll trust Burrow more, throwing from behind...
JOK... rotational LB snap counts are concerning...comparing to Parsons, Davis & Paye whom may already have starting depth chart roles.. Call me a homer,...that see's myself rooting Browns..
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Congrats!
- HC: Robert Saleh at +2200 caught my eye... NYJ looks set to improve on their 2-14 record... only issue is it is gonna be tough road for NYJ to eek into playoffs. A couple of Saleh's AFCE brethren, Flores +1600, McDermott +1600, look attractive as well, but how can you resist Bill "I'm a Man on a mission with a reloaded roster" Belichick at +1800?
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Kliff Kingsbury +2800-------$100.00 - DPOY: DL dominate lately (Watt and Donald) so DuPree at +6600 under Vrabel in TN and/or Clowney at same odds.
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Chase Young +1200----------$100.00 - CBPOY: Teboe +2000, if you have to pick one... word is he's really looking the part of a TE on OTAs and you know Urban loves him.
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Christian McCaffrey +850---------$100.00 - DROY: LBs rule this one... Cox +4000 next to Parsons in Big D looks enticing.
- 2nd option... Micah Parsons +500
- Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah +1400-------------$100.00
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- OROY: Only position to spoil the recent QB run is RB... Sermon +2000 in SF looks well positioned among the longer shots, but Harris +1000 in PTG deserves strong consideration
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2nd option... RB UNC Javonte Williams +1600------- will start in Denver, with a Munchuk coached OL ? Ja'Marr Chase +800-------------$100.00 - MVP (a/k/a The QB Award) : Mayfield +3300 jumps out.
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Baker Mayfield +3300------------------$100.00 (only true out of pocket)
That was fun!
Hitting the betting button sometime Monday....
I know me?
I can't trust Tua..and won't trust Dak/Stafford or Burrow coming off those injuries..
Mahomes & or Rogers are about as betting vanilla as choosing Arians & or Andy Reid...and that's just not me...
I can be talked off two..
Ja'marr Chase...just don't see a QB winning this OROY.. Looks to be RB or WR.. guessing i'll trust Burrow more, throwing from behind...
JOK... rotational LB snap counts are concerning...comparing to Parsons, Davis & Paye whom may already have starting depth chart roles.. Call me a homer,...that see's myself rooting Browns..
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Dan Marino threw 252 interceptions in 242 games.
Warren Moon threw 233 interceptions in 208 games.
At one time, including there era in which Marino, Moon and Kelly played, a 1:1 TD to Int. ratio was pretty common, even considered good.
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Amazing - Marino and Mayfield - the only two to throw 11,ooo yards their first three years?
https://www.brownsnation.com/mayfield-shares-historic-stats-with-dan-marino-through-3-seasons/
Mayfield Shares Historic Stats With Dan Marino Through 3 Seasons
"In their first 3 seasons, only two players in NFL history have at least 11k pass yds, 75 pass TD, and an 89 passer rating:
Baker Mayfield
Dan Marino"
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Amazing - Marino and Mayfield - the only two to throw 11,ooo yards their first three years?
https://www.brownsnation.com/mayfield-shares-historic-stats-with-dan-marino-through-3-seasons/
Mayfield Shares Historic Stats With Dan Marino Through 3 Seasons
"In their first 3 seasons, only two players in NFL history have at least 11k pass yds, 75 pass TD, and an 89 passer rating:
Baker Mayfield
Dan Marino"
Amazing - Marino and Mayfield - the only two to throw 11,ooo yards their first three years?
https://www.brownsnation.com/mayfield-shares-historic-stats-with-dan-marino-through-3-seasons/
Mayfield Shares Historic Stats With Dan Marino Through 3 Seasons
"In their first 3 seasons, only two players in NFL history have at least 11k pass yds, 75 pass TD, and an 89 passer rating:
Baker Mayfield
Dan Marino"
Stats like that, meme's and quotes are.... I hesitate to say 'Inaccurate". So I'll say slanted instead. Either way they attempt to generate hype in a way that is rather misleading. Because instead of going off the first full 3 seasons played, they're going off the first 3 seasons in the NFL period. This discounts multiple good QB's in the the last 12-13 years alone.
Rodgers, Mahomes, Luck, and damn near Cam Newton, Matty Ice and Tony Romo. Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure Russell Wilson was probably pretty close as well.
I'm not saying I'm not excited for the upcoming season and I'm glad to have Baker on this team. But we attempt to place these players up there with historic company and thus their accomplishments to generate that hype.
Pace yourselves, friends. The season is a grind.
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Amazing - Marino and Mayfield - the only two to throw 11,ooo yards their first three years?
https://www.brownsnation.com/mayfield-shares-historic-stats-with-dan-marino-through-3-seasons/
Mayfield Shares Historic Stats With Dan Marino Through 3 Seasons
"In their first 3 seasons, only two players in NFL history have at least 11k pass yds, 75 pass TD, and an 89 passer rating:
Baker Mayfield
Dan Marino"
Stats like that, meme's and quotes are.... I hesitate to say 'Inaccurate". So I'll say slanted instead. Either way they attempt to generate hype in a way that is rather misleading. Because instead of going off the first full 3 seasons played, they're going off the first 3 seasons in the NFL period. This discounts multiple good QB's in the the last 12-13 years alone.
Rodgers, Mahomes, Luck, and damn near Cam Newton, Matty Ice and Tony Romo. Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure Russell Wilson was probably pretty close as well.
I'm not saying I'm not excited for the upcoming season and I'm glad to have Baker on this team. But we attempt to place these players up there with historic company and thus their accomplishments to generate that hype.
Pace yourselves, friends. The season is a grind.
Stats like that, meme's and quotes are.... I hesitate to say 'Inaccurate". So I'll say slanted instead. Either way they attempt to generate hype in a way that is rather misleading. Because instead of going off the first full 3 seasons played, they're going off the first 3 seasons in the NFL period. This discounts multiple good QB's in the the last 12-13 years alone.
Rodgers, Mahomes, Luck, and damn near Cam Newton, Matty Ice and Tony Romo. Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure Russell Wilson was probably pretty close as well.
I'm not saying I'm not excited for the upcoming season and I'm glad to have Baker on this team. But we attempt to place these players up there with historic company and thus their accomplishments to generate that hype.
Pace yourselves, friends. The season is a grind.
Well....Baker DID hold the rookie record for most TDs in his rookie season, until Justin Herbert broke it this past season. That was not a slanted or inaccurate statistic.
Perhaps a better thing to look at for a young QB is: Which QBs led their teams to a Championship in their first 3 years in the league. Here they are:
Championships won in Year One:
Otto Graham. This applies to both his time in the AAFC and the NFL. He won titles in his first year in both leagues
Bob Waterfield. Won NFL title in his rookie year in 1945 with the Cleveland Rams
Sammy Baugh. Won title his rookie year of 1937 with the Redskins
NO rookie won a Championship in his rookie year in the Super Bowl era
Championships won in Year Two:
Sid Luckman Bears
Kurt Warner Rams (though he played some years in the Arena League, his 1999 SB victory was only his 2d year in the NFL
Tom Brady Pats.
Ben Roethlisberger Steelers
Russell Wilson Seahawks
Championships in Year Three:
Johnny Unitas
Joe Montana
Patrick Mahomes
Every name above either is in or is headed into the PFHOF it would seem (BR/Wilson/Mahomes)
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Passing stats in the NFL are akin to strikeout totals by pitchers in the MLB.
In comparison to other eras, almost every QB is going to look like Joe Montana just like almost every pitcher looks like Bob Feller now.
I mean, it's a nice fact, but Baker might be in the top 10 QBs in the NFL right now.
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Stats like that, meme's and quotes are.... I hesitate to say 'Inaccurate". So I'll say slanted instead. Either way they attempt to generate hype in a way that is rather misleading. Because instead of going off the first full 3 seasons played, they're going off the first 3 seasons in the NFL period. This discounts multiple good QB's in the the last 12-13 years alone.
Rodgers, Mahomes, Luck, and damn near Cam Newton, Matty Ice and Tony Romo. Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure Russell Wilson was probably pretty close as well.
I'm not saying I'm not excited for the upcoming season and I'm glad to have Baker on this team. But we attempt to place these players up there with historic company and thus their accomplishments to generate that hype.
Pace yourselves, friends. The season is a grind.
Well....Baker DID hold the rookie record for most TDs in his rookie season, until Justin Herbert broke it this past season. That was not a slanted or inaccurate statistic.
Perhaps a better thing to look at for a young QB is: Which QBs led their teams to a Championship in their first 3 years in the league. Here they are:
Championships won in Year One:
Otto Graham. This applies to both his time in the AAFC and the NFL. He won titles in his first year in both leagues
Bob Waterfield. Won NFL title in his rookie year in 1945 with the Cleveland Rams
Sammy Baugh. Won title his rookie year of 1937 with the Redskins
NO rookie won a Championship in his rookie year in the Super Bowl era
Championships won in Year Two:
Sid Luckman Bears
Kurt Warner Rams (though he played some years in the Arena League, his 1999 SB victory was only his 2d year in the NFL
Tom Brady Pats.
Ben Roethlisberger Steelers
Russell Wilson Seahawks
Championships in Year Three:
Johnny Unitas
Joe Montana
Patrick Mahomes
Every name above either is in or is headed into the PFHOF it would seem (BR/Wilson/Mahomes)
Well....Baker DID hold the rookie record for most TDs in his rookie season, until Justin Herbert broke it this past season. That was not a slanted or inaccurate statistic.
That wasn't in the link or meme.
So.......
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Well....Baker DID hold the rookie record for most TDs in his rookie season, until Justin Herbert broke it this past season. That was not a slanted or inaccurate statistic.
That wasn't in the link or meme.
So.......
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Amazing - Marino and Mayfield - the only two to throw 11,ooo yards their first three years?
https://www.brownsnation.com/mayfield-shares-historic-stats-with-dan-marino-through-3-seasons/
Mayfield Shares Historic Stats With Dan Marino Through 3 Seasons
"In their first 3 seasons, only two players in NFL history have at least 11k pass yds, 75 pass TD, and an 89 passer rating:
Baker Mayfield
Dan Marino"
Stats like that, meme's and quotes are.... I hesitate to say 'Inaccurate". So I'll say slanted instead. Either way they attempt to generate hype in a way that is rather misleading. Because instead of going off the first full 3 seasons played, they're going off the first 3 seasons in the NFL period. This discounts multiple good QB's in the the last 12-13 years alone.
Rodgers, Mahomes, Luck, and damn near Cam Newton, Matty Ice and Tony Romo. Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure Russell Wilson was probably pretty close as well.
I'm not saying I'm not excited for the upcoming season and I'm glad to have Baker on this team. But we attempt to place these players up there with historic company and thus their accomplishments to generate that hype.
Pace yourselves, friends. The season is a grind.
Stats like that, meme's and quotes are.... I hesitate to say 'Inaccurate". So I'll say slanted instead. Either way they attempt to generate hype in a way that is rather misleading. Because instead of going off the first full 3 seasons played, they're going off the first 3 seasons in the NFL period. This discounts multiple good QB's in the the last 12-13 years alone.
so......Baker started week 3 of his rookie year, started all 16 games in 2019, started all 16 games in 2020...so.... it WAS his first three seasons played, he just didn't start the first two.... and still ranks up there with Marino ........isn't that even a bit MORE impressive?
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