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  • @calfoxwc said:

    (SO, given my response below, I did have a good point, yes?

    @calfoxwc said:

    So, Marino started his career in 1983. Drafted by the Dolphins in April. In 1983 January, the Dolphins were in Superbowl XV!!.

    Well...

    Given that Marino was drafted in April, I doubt that he played in MIA's SB appearance 3 months earlier...

    So there's that... 😁

    So... no...

    @tour2ma said:

    Well...

    Given that Marino was drafted in April, I doubt that he played in MIA's SB appearance 3 months earlier...

    So there's that... 😁

    So... no...

    oh, nice try. lol

  • So we PFF rank as follows....Image <<< Yes! I've ordered this lid...

    QB = Baker Mayfield #10

    RB = Nick Chubb #4  and Kareem Hunt #10

    TE = Austin Hooper #17

    OT = Jack Conklin #12

    OG = Joel Bitonio #4  and Wyatt Teller #9

    C = JC Tretter #4

    DT = none

    Edge = Myles Garrett #4  and J. Clowney #20

    LB = none

    Slot Corner = Troy Hill #5

    Outside Corner = Denzel Ward #8

    Safety = John Johnson #3  and Ronnie Harrison #30

    Team Secondary Unit = #3

    Team Interior Defense = #11

    Team Offensive line = # 1

    PFF Power Rankings = #8

    Total Wins = 10.5

    RB Unit = # 1

    Receiving Unit = #13

    Head Coaching = #7

    Pff's Top 50 = #25-Myles Garrett   #37-Nick Chubb   #41-John Johnson III

    @gumby73 said:

    So we PFF rank as follows....Image <<< Yes! I've ordered this lid...

    QB = Baker Mayfield #10

    RB = Nick Chubb #4  and Kareem Hunt #10

    TE = Austin Hooper #17

    OT = Jack Conklin #12

    OG = Joel Bitonio #4  and Wyatt Teller #9

    C = JC Tretter #4

    DT = none

    Edge = Myles Garrett #4  and J. Clowney #20

    LB = none

    Slot Corner = Troy Hill #5

    Outside Corner = Denzel Ward #8

    Safety = John Johnson #3  and Ronnie Harrison #30

    Team Offensive line = # 1

    PFF Power Rankings = #8

    Total Wins = 10.5

    RB Unit = # 1

    Head Coaching = #7

    Happy Friday Gents !

    Gotta ask....?

    Receiving Unit = Ranked #13*------ This feels like we got low balled by the writer? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-all-nfl-receiving-corps-ahead-of-the-2021-season

    lmo..Were somewhere in that Top #5 in my thoughts...

    Team Secondary Unit = Ranked #3*------ This seems high for a Joe Woods rebuild? Don't it?  https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-32-nfl-secondaries-entering-2021-season 

    I might see close to 7th to 10'ish here?... @tiamat63  Would you toss your early money on, Were..."Not a top 5 Secondary Unit" ?

    Man! There's a ton of shake ups in personal to these back-end defenses...

    Edit-- Heck! I think John Johnson might disagree with me already...

     https://www.brownszone.com/2021/06/10/john-johnson-iii-believes-coordinator-joe-exotic-woods-has-plenty-up-his-sleeve-defense-has-talent-to-be-nfls-best/

  • @gumby73 said:

    So we PFF rank as follows....Image <<< Yes! I've ordered this lid...

    QB = Baker Mayfield #10

    RB = Nick Chubb #4  and Kareem Hunt #10

    TE = Austin Hooper #17

    OT = Jack Conklin #12

    OG = Joel Bitonio #4  and Wyatt Teller #9

    C = JC Tretter #4

    DT = none

    Edge = Myles Garrett #4  and J. Clowney #20

    LB = none

    Slot Corner = Troy Hill #5

    Outside Corner = Denzel Ward #8

    Safety = John Johnson #3  and Ronnie Harrison #30

    Team Offensive line = # 1

    PFF Power Rankings = #8

    Total Wins = 10.5

    RB Unit = # 1

    Head Coaching = #7

    Happy Friday Gents !

    Gotta ask....?

    Receiving Unit = Ranked #13*------ This feels like we got low balled by the writer? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-all-nfl-receiving-corps-ahead-of-the-2021-season

    lmo..Were somewhere in that Top #5 in my thoughts...

    Team Secondary Unit = Ranked #3*------ This seems high for a Joe Woods rebuild? Don't it?  https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-32-nfl-secondaries-entering-2021-season 

    I might see close to 7th to 10'ish here?... @tiamat63  Would you toss your early money on, Were..."Not a top 5 Secondary Unit" ?

    Man! There's a ton of shake ups in personal to these back-end defenses...

    Edit-- Heck! I think John Johnson might disagree with me already...

     https://www.brownszone.com/2021/06/10/john-johnson-iii-believes-coordinator-joe-exotic-woods-has-plenty-up-his-sleeve-defense-has-talent-to-be-nfls-best/

    @gumby73 said:

    Happy Friday Gents !

    Gotta ask....?

    Receiving Unit = Ranked #13*------ This feels like we got low balled by the writer? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-all-nfl-receiving-corps-ahead-of-the-2021-season

    lmo..Were somewhere in that Top #5 in my thoughts...

    Team Secondary Unit = Ranked #3*------ This seems high for a Joe Woods rebuild? Don't it?  https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-32-nfl-secondaries-entering-2021-season 

    I might see close to 7th to 10'ish here?... @tiamat63  Would you toss your early money on, Were..."Not a top 5 Secondary Unit" ?

    Man! There's a ton of shake ups in personal to these back-end defenses...

    Edit-- Heck! I think John Johnson might disagree with me already...

     https://www.brownszone.com/2021/06/10/john-johnson-iii-believes-coordinator-joe-exotic-woods-has-plenty-up-his-sleeve-defense-has-talent-to-be-nfls-best/

    There's a certain amount of faith put on paper here with the secondary personnel.  But it's also reinforced by the hope that our pass rush is more consistent outside of just Myles.

    Denzel, Hill, Greedy and Newsome could be a fine cornerback room health permitting.   JJ3, Harrison & if Delpit also stays healthy, is another quality room.    While they still lack an eraser at center field (IMHO, unless Delpit grows into that role) there are no glaring weaknesses at DB.  

    They could finish the year to top 5, sure.  

  • @gumby73 said:

    Happy Friday Gents !

    Gotta ask....?

    Receiving Unit = Ranked #13*------ This feels like we got low balled by the writer? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-all-nfl-receiving-corps-ahead-of-the-2021-season

    lmo..Were somewhere in that Top #5 in my thoughts...

    Team Secondary Unit = Ranked #3*------ This seems high for a Joe Woods rebuild? Don't it?  https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-32-nfl-secondaries-entering-2021-season 

    I might see close to 7th to 10'ish here?... @tiamat63  Would you toss your early money on, Were..."Not a top 5 Secondary Unit" ?

    Man! There's a ton of shake ups in personal to these back-end defenses...

    Edit-- Heck! I think John Johnson might disagree with me already...

     https://www.brownszone.com/2021/06/10/john-johnson-iii-believes-coordinator-joe-exotic-woods-has-plenty-up-his-sleeve-defense-has-talent-to-be-nfls-best/

    There's a certain amount of faith put on paper here with the secondary personnel.  But it's also reinforced by the hope that our pass rush is more consistent outside of just Myles.

    Denzel, Hill, Greedy and Newsome could be a fine cornerback room health permitting.   JJ3, Harrison & if Delpit also stays healthy, is another quality room.    While they still lack an eraser at center field (IMHO, unless Delpit grows into that role) there are no glaring weaknesses at DB.  

    They could finish the year to top 5, sure.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    Denzel, Hill, Greedy and Newsome could be a fine cornerback room health permitting.   JJ3, Harrison & if Delpit also stays healthy, is another quality room.    

    I love the chance of this groups high ceiling.... Adding JOK's coverage toughness... could walk this unit up to the elite level...I'm hoping it's time for Travis Kelce to start losing a step...

    We won't have to wait long...

    Man... I just want to get to week 1 Healthy...  

  • Great Secondaries typically are aided by a great pass rush. You can Chicken vs. Egg it all you want you can talk about coverage sacks but when you speed the QB clock up and you put 320 pound dudes in his lap you can make a lot of DBs and Safeties look good and this is a much better group...God willing they stay healthy. 
     

    In regard to coverage sacks those aren’t happening often with Tyreke Hill and Kelce flanking wide. 

    Next year will be no different. Myles health, Clowneys health and resurgence, Takks new found focus, the men in the middle if they can get it done that back end works better. 

    11-5 and a playoff win was very enjoyable last year....but by far the most aggravating issue all last year was blitzing 4 and watching our slow secondary and backers wilt in coverage when they had to chase and roam the field for an  extra 2-3 seconds.  

  • Great Secondaries typically are aided by a great pass rush. You can Chicken vs. Egg it all you want you can talk about coverage sacks but when you speed the QB clock up and you put 320 pound dudes in his lap you can make a lot of DBs and Safeties look good and this is a much better group...God willing they stay healthy. 
     

    In regard to coverage sacks those aren’t happening often with Tyreke Hill and Kelce flanking wide. 

    Next year will be no different. Myles health, Clowneys health and resurgence, Takks new found focus, the men in the middle if they can get it done that back end works better. 

    11-5 and a playoff win was very enjoyable last year....but by far the most aggravating issue all last year was blitzing 4 and watching our slow secondary and backers wilt in coverage when they had to chase and roam the field for an  extra 2-3 seconds.  

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Great Secondaries typically are aided by a great pass rush. You can Chicken vs. Egg it all you want you can talk about coverage sacks but when you speed the QB clock up and you put 320 pound dudes in his lap you can make a lot of DBs and Safeties look good and this is a much better group...God willing they stay healthy. 
     

    In regard to coverage sacks those aren’t happening often with Tyreke Hill and Kelce flanking wide. 

    Next year will be no different. Myles health, Clowneys health and resurgence, Takks new found focus, the men in the middle if they can get it done that back end works better. 

    11-5 and a playoff win was very enjoyable last year....but by far the most aggravating issue all last year was blitzing 4 and watching our slow secondary and backers wilt in coverage when they had to chase and roam the field for an  extra 2-3 seconds.  

    Good news is, when you're facing an oline with a shitty right side, you really don't need coverage sacks.  The pressure just tends to get there.

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Great Secondaries typically are aided by a great pass rush. You can Chicken vs. Egg it all you want you can talk about coverage sacks but when you speed the QB clock up and you put 320 pound dudes in his lap you can make a lot of DBs and Safeties look good and this is a much better group...God willing they stay healthy. 
     

    In regard to coverage sacks those aren’t happening often with Tyreke Hill and Kelce flanking wide. 

    Next year will be no different. Myles health, Clowneys health and resurgence, Takks new found focus, the men in the middle if they can get it done that back end works better. 

    11-5 and a playoff win was very enjoyable last year....but by far the most aggravating issue all last year was blitzing 4 and watching our slow secondary and backers wilt in coverage when they had to chase and roam the field for an  extra 2-3 seconds.  

    Good news is, when you're facing an oline with a shitty right side, you really don't need coverage sacks.  The pressure just tends to get there.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Good news is, when you're facing an oline with a shitty right side, you really don't need coverage sacks.  The pressure just tends to get there.

    Watching opposing rbs try to figure out which side to try to block should be fun. ..."Garrett" or... "Clowney" ....

  • Damn folks ?... We break news on this little site....

    popping up everywhere

    https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2021/6/11/22530149/cleveland-browns-renovated-secondary-nfl-third-best-per-pff

    https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/11/browns-new-look-secondary-ranked-third-in-the-nfl-by-pff/

    Hey Tia !

    check for those tapped wires on you again  ?

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Great Secondaries typically are aided by a great pass rush. You can Chicken vs. Egg it all you want you can talk about coverage sacks but when you speed the QB clock up and you put 320 pound dudes in his lap you can make a lot of DBs and Safeties look good and this is a much better group...God willing they stay healthy. 
     

    In regard to coverage sacks those aren’t happening often with Tyreke Hill and Kelce flanking wide. 

    Next year will be no different. Myles health, Clowneys health and resurgence, Takks new found focus, the men in the middle if they can get it done that back end works better. 

    11-5 and a playoff win was very enjoyable last year....but by far the most aggravating issue all last year was blitzing 4 and watching our slow secondary and backers wilt in coverage when they had to chase and roam the field for an  extra 2-3 seconds.  

    Good news is, when you're facing an oline with a shitty right side, you really don't need coverage sacks.  The pressure just tends to get there.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Good news is, when you're facing an oline with a shitty right side, you really don't need coverage sacks.  The pressure just tends to get there.

    It is New unit and we are facing them week 1.  All the makings of a wake up call to the Chiefs that I hope the Browns can deliver 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Good news is, when you're facing an oline with a shitty right side, you really don't need coverage sacks.  The pressure just tends to get there.

    It is New unit and we are facing them week 1.  All the makings of a wake up call to the Chiefs that I hope the Browns can deliver 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    It is New unit and we are facing them week 1.  All the makings of a wake up call to the Chiefs that I hope the Browns can deliver 

    I had the KC replay on this afternoon... How the NFL network does not show this game's replay more often? ..... is way beyond me?

    Man! If we bring a defensive unit, capable of forcing 2/3 punts? We can cover that 6 point spread... the over/under is at 52.5 ..(staying tuned on that number)

    I read, Joe Woods may need 3-4 games to get this defense clicking.... He ain't getting any games from this Fan ?... He better heat Maholmes ar'ss up from snap #1  

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    It is New unit and we are facing them week 1.  All the makings of a wake up call to the Chiefs that I hope the Browns can deliver 

    I had the KC replay on this afternoon... How the NFL network does not show this game's replay more often? ..... is way beyond me?

    Man! If we bring a defensive unit, capable of forcing 2/3 punts? We can cover that 6 point spread... the over/under is at 52.5 ..(staying tuned on that number)

    I read, Joe Woods may need 3-4 games to get this defense clicking.... He ain't getting any games from this Fan ?... He better heat Maholmes ar'ss up from snap #1  

    @gumby73 said:

    I had the KC replay on this afternoon... How the NFL network does not show this game's replay more often? ..... is way beyond me?

    Man! If we bring a defensive unit, capable of forcing 2/3 punts? We can cover that 6 point spread... the over/under is at 52.5 ..(staying tuned on that number)

    I read, Joe Woods may need 3-4 games to get this defense clicking.... He ain't telling this Fan ?... He better heat Maholmes ar'ss up from snap #1  

    I agree and  He better be counting the preseason games.

    Here’s what he’s facing out of the gate..


    Chiefs New Oline

    Texans who knows what 

    Bears Rookie QB.

    Get it done!!!

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Good news is, when you're facing an oline with a shitty right side, you really don't need coverage sacks.  The pressure just tends to get there.

    Watching opposing rbs try to figure out which side to try to block should be fun. ..."Garrett" or... "Clowney" ....

    @calfoxwc said:

    Watching opposing rbs try to figure out which side to try to block should be fun. ..."Garrett" or... "Clowney" ....

    No one is scared of Clowney's pass rush.

    No one. 

    Will he help make the offense more athletic, i.e. help contain a certain QB in the AFC North better? Very possibly.

    Will he help against the run in general? Yes.

    Will he cause opposing OCoordinators to stay up late trying to figure out how to keep him from killing his QB?

    No.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Watching opposing rbs try to figure out which side to try to block should be fun. ..."Garrett" or... "Clowney" ....

    No one is scared of Clowney's pass rush.

    No one. 

    Will he help make the offense more athletic, i.e. help contain a certain QB in the AFC North better? Very possibly.

    Will he help against the run in general? Yes.

    Will he cause opposing OCoordinators to stay up late trying to figure out how to keep him from killing his QB?

    No.

    @dutch-oven said:

    No one is scared of Clowney's pass rush.

    No one. 

    Will he help make the offense more athletic, i.e. help contain a certain QB in the AFC North better? Very possibly.

    Will he help against the run in general? Yes.

    Will he cause opposing OCoordinators to stay up late trying to figure out how to keep him from killing his QB?

    No.

    well I don’t know...

    How do you double him now with Garrett on the other side?

    But priority one with Clowney is stay healthy 

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  • @calfoxwc said:

    Watching opposing rbs try to figure out which side to try to block should be fun. ..."Garrett" or... "Clowney" ....

    No one is scared of Clowney's pass rush.

    No one. 

    Will he help make the offense more athletic, i.e. help contain a certain QB in the AFC North better? Very possibly.

    Will he help against the run in general? Yes.

    Will he cause opposing OCoordinators to stay up late trying to figure out how to keep him from killing his QB?

    No.

    @dutch-oven said:

    No one is scared of Clowney's pass rush.

    No one. 

    Will he help against the run in general? Yes.  AGREED!

    Will he cause opposing OCoordinators to stay up late trying to figure out how to keep him from killing his QB?

    No.

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  • @dutch-oven said:

    No one is scared of Clowney's pass rush.

    No one. 

    Will he help make the offense more athletic, i.e. help contain a certain QB in the AFC North better? Very possibly.

    Will he help against the run in general? Yes.

    Will he cause opposing OCoordinators to stay up late trying to figure out how to keep him from killing his QB?

    No.

    well I don’t know...

    How do you double him now with Garrett on the other side?

    But priority one with Clowney is stay healthy 

    29C0A49E-67A9-4DE2-8838-88F657BD89E7.jpeg

    @sdbacker80 said:

    well I don’t know...

    How do you double him now with Garrett on the other side?

    But priority one with Clowney is stay healthy 

    29C0A49E-67A9-4DE2-8838-88F657BD89E7.jpeg

    Well he had JJ Watt.. so He should've been uncovered.. But I understand injuries got in the way

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Watching opposing rbs try to figure out which side to try to block should be fun. ..."Garrett" or... "Clowney" ....

    No one is scared of Clowney's pass rush.

    No one. 

    Will he help make the offense more athletic, i.e. help contain a certain QB in the AFC North better? Very possibly.

    Will he help against the run in general? Yes.

    Will he cause opposing OCoordinators to stay up late trying to figure out how to keep him from killing his QB?

    No.

    @dutch-oven said:

    No one is scared of Clowney's pass rush.

    No one. 

    Will he help make the offense more athletic, i.e. help contain a certain QB in the AFC North better? Very possibly.

    Will he help against the run in general? Yes.

    Will he cause opposing OCoordinators to stay up late trying to figure out how to keep him from killing his QB?

    No.

    Well no wonder nobody is scared of Clowney's pass rush.  MF is moving to TE, clearly.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    No one is scared of Clowney's pass rush.

    No one. 

    Will he help make the offense more athletic, i.e. help contain a certain QB in the AFC North better? Very possibly.

    Will he help against the run in general? Yes.

    Will he cause opposing OCoordinators to stay up late trying to figure out how to keep him from killing his QB?

    No.

    Well no wonder nobody is scared of Clowney's pass rush.  MF is moving to TE, clearly.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Well no wonder nobody is scared of Clowney's pass rush.  MF is moving to TE, clearly.

    Dammit, and I originally goofed up and wrote "DCoordinators" instead of "OCoordinators" too. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Well no wonder nobody is scared of Clowney's pass rush.  MF is moving to TE, clearly.

    Dammit, and I originally goofed up and wrote "DCoordinators" instead of "OCoordinators" too. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Dammit, and I originally goofed up and wrote "DCoordinators" instead of "OCoordinators" too. 

    If Clowney ends up having more sacks than Garrett, there won't be a cave deep enough for you to hide your shame in.... and with the way Myles was a huffin' and a puffin' at the end of the season, you might want to start a spelunking expedition fairly soon. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Dammit, and I originally goofed up and wrote "DCoordinators" instead of "OCoordinators" too. 

    If Clowney ends up having more sacks than Garrett, there won't be a cave deep enough for you to hide your shame in.... and with the way Myles was a huffin' and a puffin' at the end of the season, you might want to start a spelunking expedition fairly soon. 

    @d-bone said:

    If Clowney ends up having more sacks than Garrett, there won't be a cave deep enough for you to hide your shame in.... and with the way Myles was a huffin' and a puffin' at the end of the season, you might want to start a spelunking expedition fairly soon. 

    If Clowney ends up with more sacks than Garrett, we are fucked. 

  • @d-bone said:

    If Clowney ends up having more sacks than Garrett, there won't be a cave deep enough for you to hide your shame in.... and with the way Myles was a huffin' and a puffin' at the end of the season, you might want to start a spelunking expedition fairly soon. 

    If Clowney ends up with more sacks than Garrett, we are fucked. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    If Clowney ends up with more sacks than Garrett, we are fucked. 

    Not necessarily so. If you were a D-coordinator which would you rather double team? That will allow Clowney many more opportunities while healthy than he had in Houston when either he wasn't or his partner in crime wasn't. I'd be perfectly happy if Garrett had 15 and Clowney 20 or more.