The narrative we knew is not reality...
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My sister is a registered nurse working in a covid wing in Jacksonville. She claims people with both vaccinations are still being intubated and almost unilaterally the people dying are fat.
I tend to take her at her word more than some talking head asshole on cable news.
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My sister is a registered nurse working in a covid wing in Jacksonville. She claims people with both vaccinations are still being intubated and almost unilaterally the people dying are fat.
I tend to take her at her word more than some talking head asshole on cable news.
My sister is a registered nurse working in a covid wing in Jacksonville. She claims people with both vaccinations are still being intubated and almost unilaterally the people dying are fat.
I tend to take her at her word more than some talking head asshole on cable news.
The fact that covid-19 vaccines have been touted as a panacea that completely prevents getting sick shows the lack of scientific education in this country. The covid-19 vaccine is effective at preventing someone from dying of the virus, but much like other vaccines, it's not 100% effective. People get flu shots every year and still get sick from the flu and some still die. Vaccines are harm reduction, not impervious shields. That's why I think it's criminal that other drugs like ivermectin, which can be used in conjunction with vaccines and other treatments to prevent or reduce covid symptoms, is not being given more attention and funding for research.
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My sister is a registered nurse working in a covid wing in Jacksonville. She claims people with both vaccinations are still being intubated and almost unilaterally the people dying are fat.
I tend to take her at her word more than some talking head asshole on cable news.
The fact that covid-19 vaccines have been touted as a panacea that completely prevents getting sick shows the lack of scientific education in this country. The covid-19 vaccine is effective at preventing someone from dying of the virus, but much like other vaccines, it's not 100% effective. People get flu shots every year and still get sick from the flu and some still die. Vaccines are harm reduction, not impervious shields. That's why I think it's criminal that other drugs like ivermectin, which can be used in conjunction with vaccines and other treatments to prevent or reduce covid symptoms, is not being given more attention and funding for research.
The fact that covid-19 vaccines have been touted as a panacea that completely prevents getting sick shows the lack of scientific education in this country. The covid-19 vaccine is effective at preventing someone from dying of the virus, but much like other vaccines, it's not 100% effective. People get flu shots every year and still get sick from the flu and some still die. Vaccines are harm reduction, not impervious shields. That's why I think it's criminal that other drugs like ivermectin, which can be used in conjunction with vaccines and other treatments to prevent or reduce covid symptoms, is not being given more attention and funding for research.
No doubt. Just for the record how safe do you think the government is going to be able to keep everybody?
And even though some educated people make a compelling argument for it I think anti vaxing is stupid. Not as stupid as wearing a mask in your car, walking down the street or on the bike trail but still….
WSS
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It just goes to show, to me, that the "pandemic" (and man am I fucking sick of hearing the dumbest people I've ever met going on about that) is exactly as bad as the attention it receives. If the media wants it to be over to boost support for their cause then it is over. If the media wants it to be the top story and the end of the world it is that.
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It just goes to show, to me, that the "pandemic" (and man am I fucking sick of hearing the dumbest people I've ever met going on about that) is exactly as bad as the attention it receives. If the media wants it to be over to boost support for their cause then it is over. If the media wants it to be the top story and the end of the world it is that.
It just goes to show, to me, that the "pandemic" (and man am I fucking sick of hearing the dumbest people I've ever met going on about that) is exactly as bad as the attention it receives. If the media wants it to be over to boost support for their cause then it is over. If the media wants it to be the top story and the end of the world it is that.
I mean.... Hundreds of thousands of people have died...
It kinda was/is "the" story.
You can not like that. And we can agree all media wants to get views. But this was still a very big deal that irreversibly changed millions of lives
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You missed the point I see. Nothing has changed except the way they're treating it. People are still being intubated. People are still dying. But because they decree it's over so that joe biden can take credit for it, it's effectively over.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
You missed the point I see. Nothing has changed except the way they're treating it. People are still being intubated. People are still dying. But because they decree it's over so that joe biden can take credit for it, it's effectively over.
You missed the point I see. Nothing has changed except the way they're treating it. People are still being intubated. People are still dying. But because they decree it's over so that joe biden can take credit for it, it's effectively over.
If 5 people die, then people are still dying.
If 5000 people die, then a LOT more people are dying. There is a significant difference between these two numbers.
(not to scale or meant to be accurate, just given as an example)
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You missed the point I see. Nothing has changed except the way they're treating it. People are still being intubated. People are still dying. But because they decree it's over so that joe biden can take credit for it, it's effectively over.
If 5 people die, then people are still dying.
If 5000 people die, then a LOT more people are dying. There is a significant difference between these two numbers.
(not to scale or meant to be accurate, just given as an example)
If 5 people die, then people are still dying.
If 5000 people die, then a LOT more people are dying. There is a significant difference between these two numbers.
(not to scale or meant to be accurate, just given as an example)
Wow, you're sure smert.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
You missed the point I see. Nothing has changed except the way they're treating it. People are still being intubated. People are still dying. But because they decree it's over so that joe biden can take credit for it, it's effectively over.
You missed the point I see. Nothing has changed except the way they're treating it. People are still being intubated. People are still dying. But because they decree it's over so that joe biden can take credit for it, it's effectively over.
I mean, it's definitely a hell of a lot better, but we still need to finish strong. It isn't "gone" by any means. I hope our stupid ass population continues to get vaccinated.
Whatever war people want to wage against "MSM", while ignoring the massive right-wing media base, is their own thing. I'm over the complaining.
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...PS- That this drug is being suppressed by Big Pharma is, as usual- total conspiracy bullshit. If it really works as advertised, drug manufacturers would be falling all over themselves to pump out as much as they possibly could...
Except that ivermectin is a generic drug that is off patent; it goes for roughly $4 a pill. Pharmaceutical companies are just like companies in any other industry; their goal is to make a profit. On-patent medicine sells for quite alot more than generic drugs, and can only be made by the pharma company that holds the patent and other companies that they contract out to. Faced with choosing between producing a generic medication for little profit and can be made by anyone, or, selling a medication that can bring in substantially more money and can only be made by the patent holder, what course of action do you think pharmaceutical companies would take? It wouldn't surprise me at all for pharma companies to try to suppress continued research and clinical trials into an off-patent generic drug.
Btw, the fact that a medication starts out as veterinary drug is pretty inconsequential. Many drugs that are developed start out as such until clinical trials demonstrate their usefulness in treating humans. It happens all the time. And using a medicine to treat something that it wasn't originally designed for happens all the time too. Pfizer was a middle of the road pharma company in the 90s until they found out that their failed heart medicine was excellent for giving Baby Boomers erections, and now they're in the top 5 largest pharma companies in the world.
Except that ivermectin is a generic drug that is off patent; it goes for roughly $4 a pill. Pharmaceutical companies are just like companies in any other industry; their goal is to make a profit. On-patent medicine sells for quite alot more than generic drugs, and can only be made by the pharma company that holds the patent and other companies that they contract out to. Faced with choosing between producing a generic medication for little profit and can be made by anyone, or, selling a medication that can bring in substantially more money and can only be made by the patent holder, what course of action do you think pharmaceutical companies would take? It wouldn't surprise me at all for pharma companies to try to suppress continued research and clinical trials into an off-patent generic drug.
Btw, the fact that a medication starts out as veterinary drug is pretty inconsequential. Many drugs that are developed start out as such until clinical trials demonstrate their usefulness in treating humans. It happens all the time. And using a medicine to treat something that it wasn't originally designed for happens all the time too. Pfizer was a middle of the road pharma company in the 90s until they found out that their failed heart medicine was excellent for giving Baby Boomers erections, and now they're in the top 5 largest pharma companies in the world.
Great- then some pharmaceutical company should be doing a ton of research to see it it works- or not.
Show me a few peer reviewed duplicate studies instead of a guy with an agenda to prove it works- first- and then I might believe it...
Hello? Some people are making one hell of a lot of money selling generic sildenafil of late...
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Of course it isn't gone. The flu isn't gone the common cold isn't gone cancer isn't gone. Maybe smallpox tuberculosis and polio have been weakened significantly but look at TB. It still rears its ugly head partially because of improper prescription of antibiotics. Also heart disease diabetes and cancer which could all be significantly reduced just by human activity. And yet…. But Hey panic makes us feel special.
WSS
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You missed the point I see. Nothing has changed except the way they're treating it. People are still being intubated. People are still dying. But because they decree it's over so that joe biden can take credit for it, it's effectively over.
If 5 people die, then people are still dying.
If 5000 people die, then a LOT more people are dying. There is a significant difference between these two numbers.
(not to scale or meant to be accurate, just given as an example)
If 5 people die, then people are still dying.
If 5000 people die, then a LOT more people are dying. There is a significant difference between these two numbers.
(not to scale or meant to be accurate, just given as an example)
I'll just point out to you that it's summer again. By Christmas I expect the government will be ordering quarantines and enforcing virtue signal wearing at gunpoint.
The problem is they'll have already blown their wad. I doubt trust and respect for the government has ever been at a lower level in this country.
I hope it gets to 1790s France level honestly.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
You missed the point I see. Nothing has changed except the way they're treating it. People are still being intubated. People are still dying. But because they decree it's over so that joe biden can take credit for it, it's effectively over.
I mean, it's definitely a hell of a lot better, but we still need to finish strong. It isn't "gone" by any means. I hope our stupid ass population continues to get vaccinated.
Whatever war people want to wage against "MSM", while ignoring the massive right-wing media base, is their own thing. I'm over the complaining.
I mean, it's definitely a hell of a lot better, but we still need to finish strong. It isn't "gone" by any means. I hope our stupid ass population continues to get vaccinated.
Whatever war people want to wage against "MSM", while ignoring the massive right-wing media base, is their own thing. I'm over the complaining.
You fail to take into account that right wing media is still the main stream media. I personally don't trust any media. You can't do it. Government, media both have proven they are not to be trusted.
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I mean, it's definitely a hell of a lot better, but we still need to finish strong. It isn't "gone" by any means. I hope our stupid ass population continues to get vaccinated.
Whatever war people want to wage against "MSM", while ignoring the massive right-wing media base, is their own thing. I'm over the complaining.
You fail to take into account that right wing media is still the main stream media. I personally don't trust any media. You can't do it. Government, media both have proven they are not to be trusted.
You fail to take into account that right wing media is still the main stream media. I personally don't trust any media. You can't do it. Government, media both have proven they are not to be trusted.
I would say it's worse when the "I don't trust the media" crowd digress into the QAnon, only biased news sites, I only listen to Twitter crowd. Not saying that's you, just saying that's worse.
And I very much realize there is right wing "MSM". I was referring to it more in the sense of how it is used here. As if everything negative around news media only affects the left. The same line of reasoning that calls every news source that isn't clearly right wing the "liberal MSM" even if they're just in the middle.
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If 5 people die, then people are still dying.
If 5000 people die, then a LOT more people are dying. There is a significant difference between these two numbers.
(not to scale or meant to be accurate, just given as an example)
I'll just point out to you that it's summer again. By Christmas I expect the government will be ordering quarantines and enforcing virtue signal wearing at gunpoint.
The problem is they'll have already blown their wad. I doubt trust and respect for the government has ever been at a lower level in this country.
I hope it gets to 1790s France level honestly.
I'll just point out to you that it's summer again. By Christmas I expect the government will be ordering quarantines and enforcing virtue signal wearing at gunpoint.
The problem is they'll have already blown their wad. I doubt trust and respect for the government has ever been at a lower level in this country.
I hope it gets to 1790s France level honestly.
And I think the "anti expert" sentiment in this country is reaching an all time high unfortunately
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If 5 people die, then people are still dying.
If 5000 people die, then a LOT more people are dying. There is a significant difference between these two numbers.
(not to scale or meant to be accurate, just given as an example)
I'll just point out to you that it's summer again. By Christmas I expect the government will be ordering quarantines and enforcing virtue signal wearing at gunpoint.
The problem is they'll have already blown their wad. I doubt trust and respect for the government has ever been at a lower level in this country.
I hope it gets to 1790s France level honestly.
I'll just point out to you that it's summer again. By Christmas I expect the government will be ordering quarantines and enforcing virtue signal wearing at gunpoint.
And when it doesn't...
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Wow, you're sure smert.
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I'll just point out to you that it's summer again. By Christmas I expect the government will be ordering quarantines and enforcing virtue signal wearing at gunpoint.
The problem is they'll have already blown their wad. I doubt trust and respect for the government has ever been at a lower level in this country.
I hope it gets to 1790s France level honestly.
And I think the "anti expert" sentiment in this country is reaching an all time high unfortunately
And I think the "anti expert" sentiment in this country is reaching an all time high unfortunately
Fauci hasn't been helping himself in the old respectability biz.
And when it doesn't...
Then I'll be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time and hopefully not the last either.
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Except that ivermectin is a generic drug that is off patent; it goes for roughly $4 a pill. Pharmaceutical companies are just like companies in any other industry; their goal is to make a profit. On-patent medicine sells for quite alot more than generic drugs, and can only be made by the pharma company that holds the patent and other companies that they contract out to. Faced with choosing between producing a generic medication for little profit and can be made by anyone, or, selling a medication that can bring in substantially more money and can only be made by the patent holder, what course of action do you think pharmaceutical companies would take? It wouldn't surprise me at all for pharma companies to try to suppress continued research and clinical trials into an off-patent generic drug.
Btw, the fact that a medication starts out as veterinary drug is pretty inconsequential. Many drugs that are developed start out as such until clinical trials demonstrate their usefulness in treating humans. It happens all the time. And using a medicine to treat something that it wasn't originally designed for happens all the time too. Pfizer was a middle of the road pharma company in the 90s until they found out that their failed heart medicine was excellent for giving Baby Boomers erections, and now they're in the top 5 largest pharma companies in the world.
Great- then some pharmaceutical company should be doing a ton of research to see it it works- or not.
Show me a few peer reviewed duplicate studies instead of a guy with an agenda to prove it works- first- and then I might believe it...
Hello? Some people are making one hell of a lot of money selling generic sildenafil of late...
Great- then some pharmaceutical company should be doing a ton of research to see it it works- or not Hello? Some people are making one hell of a lot of money selling generic sildenafil of late...
And why should pharmaceutical companies be doing that? What incentives do they have to do that? They're getting billions in guarenteed money from governments across the world, with little to no liability on them, to make vaccines that net them 3-4x the money that making a generic $4 pill would make them.
I don't understand why it's so hard for people these days to take off the rose-colored sunglasses and view the world how it actually is, and not how they want it to be. I'm sure that pharmaceutical companies do want to help people, but that isn't at the top of their list. Making money is. You have panicked governments across the world writing pharma companies damn near blank checks to make vaccines that may or may not be effective at stopping covid-19, yet you're expecting that pharma companies should be investing their own money on the side to see if a simple generic drug that costs a quarter of what they're already getting paid to make works?
And, knowing all this, people still get all sceptical hippo eyes over the suggestion that pharma companies may be trying to bury the lead on ivermectin? I may have been born at night, but I wasn't born last night. I've been around the sun on this rock long enough to understand people and their motivations to make money.
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