2021 Browns OTA's/rolls into Mandatory Camp
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I doubt the coaches and FO are overly thrilled with that. I look for him to be replaced for the '22 season.
I think the upcoming contract extensions given to young players approaching free agency will be more of a reason Tretter might be replaced.
But I don't quite understand the thinking by the starting offensive players. Most or all of them are down in Texas holding an impromptu camp with Baker in support of Tretter's stance on OTA's... They can get hurt just as easily down there than they can in Berea.
I think the upcoming contract extensions given to young players approaching free agency will be more of a reason Tretter might be replaced.
Actually, I weighed that into my thinking. Plus the fact that they drafted a guy who can play center last year.
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I feel like I'm watching a taller version of Alfred Morris with that kid.
Very relieved to see no fumbles in his college career as looked to me that he moves the ball around a good bit on the run... "pinned" to his forearm rather than high n tight.
I do 2nd the take on his patience... a ZBS must.
Very relieved to see no fumbles in his college career as looked to me that he moves the ball around a good bit on the run... "pinned" to his forearm rather than high n tight.
I do 2nd the take on his patience... a ZBS must.
It's not so much his patience, which is an obvious plus. When he plants his foot and turns back inside he does it decisively and with power. No real speed to get ahead of angles and he doesn't have the lateral movement or cross center cutback like Chubb. So for me that's where the Morris comparison really shines. He's a plug and player runner in a shanny OZ system.
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Patient decisiveness?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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I think the upcoming contract extensions given to young players approaching free agency will be more of a reason Tretter might be replaced.
Actually, I weighed that into my thinking. Plus the fact that they drafted a guy who can play center last year.
Actually, I weighed that into my thinking. Plus the fact that they drafted a guy who can play center last year.
I need to see a lot more from Harris to hand him the job.
I don’t get too excited about these Day 3 guys...These 5th, 6th and 7th round guys are lottery tickets. The vast majority don’t make second contracts, the other group is depth and you get a few diamonds.
And We are talking about the Center position...the brain and the anchor of the line ...he’s gotta show more or Tretter gets another contract or we find another slightly more affordable player.
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Actually, I weighed that into my thinking. Plus the fact that they drafted a guy who can play center last year.
I need to see a lot more from Harris to hand him the job.
I don’t get too excited about these Day 3 guys...These 5th, 6th and 7th round guys are lottery tickets. The vast majority don’t make second contracts, the other group is depth and you get a few diamonds.
And We are talking about the Center position...the brain and the anchor of the line ...he’s gotta show more or Tretter gets another contract or we find another slightly more affordable player.
We are talking about the Center position...the brain and the anchor of the line ...he’s gotta show more
I hear ya! Tretter got hurt last year and Harris had to play. One game he did ok. In another he got his ass handed to him. And he's not a real big guy.
But there's always this:
ESPN College Football@ESPNCFBHave you ever seen a center with so much swag? 😎 -
Always interested in seeing what players look like after they've had a NFL offseason under their belt.
Some of those undersized rookies look like different men coming into their second season.
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I like this thread ? Let's say we keep all Brown'iacs Camp News all in one spot.. In moments.. I will add "rolls into Mandatory Camp" into this topic name...
Keep your great post coming.... It still maybe a Phil Collins 'hit or miss' in this "Land of Confusion" of Mandatory Camps in 2021? And of course Uncle Covid ?.. But we'll try our best...
Browns Mandatory Camp begins Tuesday through Thursday! https://www.brownszone.com/2021/06/14/5-things-to-watch-at-minicamp-starting-with-the-return-of-odell-beckham-jr/
si--- https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/cleveland-browns-minicamp-checklist
For sure, Zegura will be keeping us updated live from the practice fields..
That’s right….we are going to be LIVE from the field tomorrow and Wednesday for the @Browns Mandatory Minicamp! Only @Browns_Daily can bring you this close to the action...I still think Cleveland.com will have live on the field twitter updates..(free* we hope) ? And I'm not quite sure if Sports Time Ohio will delay televise? and I've seen no start times...So! Were off to a g00d old fashion start ?....Any updates are more than welcome...And I'll check for more in the morning...Edit-- saw nothing...the norm.. Every player/staff will get Covid checked..Injury updates and We may get players & Stef at the mic by 11am- noon'ish? -
Just heard on WKNR that the 1-3 pm show will be out on Berea on the field
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Brad Stainbrook@StainbrookNFL#Browns 2021 Mandatory Minicamp Schedule
Tuesday June 15th: 2pm
Wednesday June 16th: 2pm
Thursday June 17th: 11:45 am
Rotolytics@rotolyticsOdell Beckham (knee) is going through early receiver drills without an apparent brace in the first day of the Browns' minicamp Tuesday, Zac Jackson of The Athletic reports.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
OBJ report on NOW on ESPN2.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
2nd Christmas is happening in Berra...?
Stories of Browns Mandatory Camp are breaking at a high rate... pick your favorite browns media provider.. and post away!
Coach of the Year ?.. is a good Start
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It's a thing.
Patient decisiveness?
@tiamat63 Is there such a term of Clowney maybe having "Patient defensive-ness".. or I just made that term up ?...
Example A.... I want this Clowney's game... #wreck?
Example B... Injury or maybe scheme? Did Vrabel assign Clowney to think run to edge containment 1st?...far before being a edge pass rushing threat?
i get situational could help here..But
I still see the guy, that can straight up ball ?... when able ?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
For everyone who chooses to believe the lack of OBJ is why Baker did better in the second half of last season....
. Learning a new system is simply not easy. -
For everyone who chooses to believe the lack of OBJ is why Baker did better in the second half of last season....
. Learning a new system is simply not easy.For everyone who chooses to believe the lack of OBJ is why Baker did better in the second half of last season....
. Learning a new system is simply not easy.The answer is somewhere in the middle of learning a new offense vs. forcing the issue with a WR that needs/demands volume touches and truthfully it is hard to evaluate without a proper sample size.
Baker has credited the bye week and having a week to pause and evaluate his play and his play within Stefanski’s offense as a turning point. Believable and plausible.Yet, we have circumstances on the other side Obj gets hurt in the Cincy game and then Baker goes 22 for 23 and leads a game winning TD drive on a dime to a rookie WR. And It appeared there was a concerted effort on some plays when OBJ was on the field last season to give him the ball rather than give what defense gives you ....whether that’s on the play caller or Baker I don’t know.
And I do feel that Baker was more relaxed knowing the offense but also knowing he didn’t have this imaginary target line 8-10 touches to OBJ.
I am not in the trade OBJ because he’s a detriment to the offense camp. I believe the opposite and I believe that way because Baker appears to have turned the corner 2) he understands the offense better and trusts the player caller and 3) OBJ is still a legit talent that demands respect from defenses and he’s big play capable whenever he touches the ball.
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It's a thing.
Patient decisiveness?
@tiamat63 Is there such a term of Clowney maybe having "Patient defensive-ness".. or I just made that term up ?...
Example A.... I want this Clowney's game... #wreck?
Example B... Injury or maybe scheme? Did Vrabel assign Clowney to think run to edge containment 1st?...far before being a edge pass rushing threat?
i get situational could help here..But
I still see the guy, that can straight up ball ?... when able ?
Example A.... I want this Clowney's game..
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
For everyone who chooses to believe the lack of OBJ is why Baker did better in the second half of last season....
. Learning a new system is simply not easy.The answer is somewhere in the middle of learning a new offense vs. forcing the issue with a WR that needs/demands volume touches and truthfully it is hard to evaluate without a proper sample size.
Baker has credited the bye week and having a week to pause and evaluate his play and his play within Stefanski’s offense as a turning point. Believable and plausible.Yet, we have circumstances on the other side Obj gets hurt in the Cincy game and then Baker goes 22 for 23 and leads a game winning TD drive on a dime to a rookie WR. And It appeared there was a concerted effort on some plays when OBJ was on the field last season to give him the ball rather than give what defense gives you ....whether that’s on the play caller or Baker I don’t know.
And I do feel that Baker was more relaxed knowing the offense but also knowing he didn’t have this imaginary target line 8-10 touches to OBJ.
I am not in the trade OBJ because he’s a detriment to the offense camp. I believe the opposite and I believe that way because Baker appears to have turned the corner 2) he understands the offense better and trusts the player caller and 3) OBJ is still a legit talent that demands respect from defenses and he’s big play capable whenever he touches the ball.
The answer is somewhere in the middle of learning a new offense vs. forcing the issue with a WR that needs/demands volume touches and truthfully it is hard to evaluate without a proper sample size.
It won't remain a mystery for long now...
Meanwhile we can remember that without the 3-TD game OBJ had in Dallas, we finish 10-6 and miss the playoffs.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The answer is somewhere in the middle of learning a new offense vs. forcing the issue with a WR that needs/demands volume touches and truthfully it is hard to evaluate without a proper sample size.
It won't remain a mystery for long now...
Meanwhile we can remember that without the 3-TD game OBJ had in Dallas, we finish 10-6 and miss the playoffs.
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Baker should be comfortable in Stefanski's offense now, he sets up behind one of the best OLine's in the NFL, and has the best RB combo in the NFL.
There should be zero excuses now if he puts up mediocre stats with OBJ on the field this season.
And after this season, there's a good chance we won't have to discuss this anymore. I'd be pretty shocked if OBJ is playing for the Browns in 2022.
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