The narrative we knew is not reality...
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If 5 people die, then people are still dying.
If 5000 people die, then a LOT more people are dying. There is a significant difference between these two numbers.
(not to scale or meant to be accurate, just given as an example)
I'll just point out to you that it's summer again. By Christmas I expect the government will be ordering quarantines and enforcing virtue signal wearing at gunpoint.
The problem is they'll have already blown their wad. I doubt trust and respect for the government has ever been at a lower level in this country.
I hope it gets to 1790s France level honestly.
I'll just point out to you that it's summer again. By Christmas I expect the government will be ordering quarantines and enforcing virtue signal wearing at gunpoint.
And when it doesn't...
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Wow, you're sure smert.
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I'll just point out to you that it's summer again. By Christmas I expect the government will be ordering quarantines and enforcing virtue signal wearing at gunpoint.
The problem is they'll have already blown their wad. I doubt trust and respect for the government has ever been at a lower level in this country.
I hope it gets to 1790s France level honestly.
And I think the "anti expert" sentiment in this country is reaching an all time high unfortunately
And I think the "anti expert" sentiment in this country is reaching an all time high unfortunately
Fauci hasn't been helping himself in the old respectability biz.
And when it doesn't...
Then I'll be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time and hopefully not the last either.
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Except that ivermectin is a generic drug that is off patent; it goes for roughly $4 a pill. Pharmaceutical companies are just like companies in any other industry; their goal is to make a profit. On-patent medicine sells for quite alot more than generic drugs, and can only be made by the pharma company that holds the patent and other companies that they contract out to. Faced with choosing between producing a generic medication for little profit and can be made by anyone, or, selling a medication that can bring in substantially more money and can only be made by the patent holder, what course of action do you think pharmaceutical companies would take? It wouldn't surprise me at all for pharma companies to try to suppress continued research and clinical trials into an off-patent generic drug.
Btw, the fact that a medication starts out as veterinary drug is pretty inconsequential. Many drugs that are developed start out as such until clinical trials demonstrate their usefulness in treating humans. It happens all the time. And using a medicine to treat something that it wasn't originally designed for happens all the time too. Pfizer was a middle of the road pharma company in the 90s until they found out that their failed heart medicine was excellent for giving Baby Boomers erections, and now they're in the top 5 largest pharma companies in the world.
Great- then some pharmaceutical company should be doing a ton of research to see it it works- or not.
Show me a few peer reviewed duplicate studies instead of a guy with an agenda to prove it works- first- and then I might believe it...
Hello? Some people are making one hell of a lot of money selling generic sildenafil of late...
Great- then some pharmaceutical company should be doing a ton of research to see it it works- or not Hello? Some people are making one hell of a lot of money selling generic sildenafil of late...
And why should pharmaceutical companies be doing that? What incentives do they have to do that? They're getting billions in guarenteed money from governments across the world, with little to no liability on them, to make vaccines that net them 3-4x the money that making a generic $4 pill would make them.
I don't understand why it's so hard for people these days to take off the rose-colored sunglasses and view the world how it actually is, and not how they want it to be. I'm sure that pharmaceutical companies do want to help people, but that isn't at the top of their list. Making money is. You have panicked governments across the world writing pharma companies damn near blank checks to make vaccines that may or may not be effective at stopping covid-19, yet you're expecting that pharma companies should be investing their own money on the side to see if a simple generic drug that costs a quarter of what they're already getting paid to make works?
And, knowing all this, people still get all sceptical hippo eyes over the suggestion that pharma companies may be trying to bury the lead on ivermectin? I may have been born at night, but I wasn't born last night. I've been around the sun on this rock long enough to understand people and their motivations to make money.
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Except that ivermectin is a generic drug that is off patent; it goes for roughly $4 a pill. Pharmaceutical companies are just like companies in any other industry; their goal is to make a profit. On-patent medicine sells for quite alot more than generic drugs, and can only be made by the pharma company that holds the patent and other companies that they contract out to. Faced with choosing between producing a generic medication for little profit and can be made by anyone, or, selling a medication that can bring in substantially more money and can only be made by the patent holder, what course of action do you think pharmaceutical companies would take? It wouldn't surprise me at all for pharma companies to try to suppress continued research and clinical trials into an off-patent generic drug.
Btw, the fact that a medication starts out as veterinary drug is pretty inconsequential. Many drugs that are developed start out as such until clinical trials demonstrate their usefulness in treating humans. It happens all the time. And using a medicine to treat something that it wasn't originally designed for happens all the time too. Pfizer was a middle of the road pharma company in the 90s until they found out that their failed heart medicine was excellent for giving Baby Boomers erections, and now they're in the top 5 largest pharma companies in the world.
Great- then some pharmaceutical company should be doing a ton of research to see it it works- or not.
Show me a few peer reviewed duplicate studies instead of a guy with an agenda to prove it works- first- and then I might believe it...
Hello? Some people are making one hell of a lot of money selling generic sildenafil of late...
...Show me a few peer reviewed duplicate studies instead of a guy with an agenda to prove it works- first- and then I might believe it...
A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness
A COVID-19 prophylaxis? Lower incidence associated with prophylactic administration of ivermectin
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
So when did this pivot away from HCQ?
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So when did this pivot away from HCQ?
4-5 posts down on the first page. But I don't think discussing ivermectin is too far of an aside from hydroxychloroquine. It's still a conversation of the effectiveness of using inexpensive generic drugs in the treatment of covid-19.
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So when did this pivot away from HCQ?
4-5 posts down on the first page. But I don't think discussing ivermectin is too far of an aside from hydroxychloroquine. It's still a conversation of the effectiveness of using inexpensive generic drugs in the treatment of covid-19.
4-5 posts down on the first page. But I don't think discussing ivermectin is too far of an aside from hydroxychloroquine. It's still a conversation of the effectiveness of using inexpensive generic drugs in the treatment of covid-19.
Though the link in the OP was about a non peer reviewed study on HCQ that seemed to have some statistical errors in it. So, not anything really acting as the smoking gun in favor of it.
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...Show me a few peer reviewed duplicate studies instead of a guy with an agenda to prove it works- first- and then I might believe it...
A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness
A COVID-19 prophylaxis? Lower incidence associated with prophylactic administration of ivermectin
A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness
A COVID-19 prophylaxis? Lower incidence associated with prophylactic administration of ivermectin
Nice try. I know how to read those abstracts. Small sample size, some studies "no statistical difference". MAYBE worth follow up. I hardly call it "controlled" in one study when some subjects were getting hydroxy and a bunch of other drugs.
MAY... Yup, may. How did the hydroxy studies turn out?
But OTOH, you're ragging that the proven 95% effective Pfizer and moderna vaccines are iffy? As to let's try another anti parasitical. Yup, Big Pharma conspiracy.
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A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness
A COVID-19 prophylaxis? Lower incidence associated with prophylactic administration of ivermectin
Nice try. I know how to read those abstracts. Small sample size, some studies "no statistical difference". MAYBE worth follow up. I hardly call it "controlled" in one study when some subjects were getting hydroxy and a bunch of other drugs.
MAY... Yup, may. How did the hydroxy studies turn out?
But OTOH, you're ragging that the proven 95% effective Pfizer and moderna vaccines are iffy? As to let's try another anti parasitical. Yup, Big Pharma conspiracy.
Nice try. I know how to read those abstracts. Small sample size, some studies "no statistical difference". MAYBE worth follow up. I hardly call it "controlled" in one study when some subjects were getting hydroxy and a bunch of other drugs.
MAY... Yup, may. How did the hydroxy studies turn out?
But OTOH, you're ragging that the proven 95% effective Pfizer and moderna vaccines are iffy? As to let's try another anti parasitical. Yup, Big Pharma conspiracy.
I feel like you and I are having two different conversations, and I'm not quite sure where your hostility is coming from.
In your comment that I replied to above, you said that pharmaceutical companies should be doing a bunch of research on generics like ivermectin and HCQ to test their effectiveness; I agreed and gave my opinion on why I believe that they are not, as it would affect their profit margins.
Secondly, you asked me to provide a couple peer review studies which indicate the effectiveness of ivermectin in the treatment of Covid-19, which I did. Nowhere in anything that I provided did I state that generics are miracle drugs which would magically cure covid-19 overnight. You are correct that some studies showed inconclusive results, but there are others which showed a positive benefit which, logically, one would think warrant follow-up studies and larger clinical trials, which have conspicuously not happened.
Finally, nowhere in anything I wrote did I "rag" on covid vaccines. I work for a company who's producing the vaccines and have received my two shots, so I have firsthand knowledge on them. By most accounts, they are a great benefit in helping the fight against covid. But, I'm also not blind in believing that they are 100% effective in treating people, nor do we know potential long term side effects from their use. Most medicines and vaccines are developed and tested for well over a decade before they are introduced and approved for public use; these vaccines went from research paper to needles-in-arms in less than a year. The fact that they are being used under emergency authorization by the FDA and the fact that pharma companies have limited to no liability for future effects coming from the usage of the vaccine is concerning. I believe that we need to fight the virus on multiple fronts and not just solely rely on experimental vaccines. This includes generics which have been through longer R&D phases, been on the market longer, and have a more clearly defined safety profile.
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Speaking of the narrative and this, like so many threads is just all over the place, I don't really understand the outrage about hydroxychloroquine. I think I get the political angle which I consider facetious but wouldn't you think that there were dozens if not hundreds of medicines that the professionals thought might be effective when the pandemic broke out? And how many of those turned out to be less promising as they might have been believed to be at the outset? Plus while I understand it's oh so hip to hate the pharmaceutical companies doesn't it seem as though an effective treatment would have raked in billions for them?
Here are 3 that I've heard absolutely nothing about.
WSS
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A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness
A COVID-19 prophylaxis? Lower incidence associated with prophylactic administration of ivermectin
Nice try. I know how to read those abstracts. Small sample size, some studies "no statistical difference". MAYBE worth follow up. I hardly call it "controlled" in one study when some subjects were getting hydroxy and a bunch of other drugs.
MAY... Yup, may. How did the hydroxy studies turn out?
But OTOH, you're ragging that the proven 95% effective Pfizer and moderna vaccines are iffy? As to let's try another anti parasitical. Yup, Big Pharma conspiracy.
...But OTOH, you're ragging that the proven 95% effective Pfizer and moderna vaccines are iffy? As to let's try another anti parasitical. Yup, Big Pharma conspiracy.
Btw, Dr Robert Malone,
, has come out and publicly questioned the safety of the vaccine, saying that the spike protein RNA being put in the mRNA vector of the vaccine is potentially dangerous and cytotoxic.So is the vaccine effective? More or less. But effectiveness isn't always coupled with safe.
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...But OTOH, you're ragging that the proven 95% effective Pfizer and moderna vaccines are iffy? As to let's try another anti parasitical. Yup, Big Pharma conspiracy.
Btw, Dr Robert Malone,
, has come out and publicly questioned the safety of the vaccine, saying that the spike protein RNA being put in the mRNA vector of the vaccine is potentially dangerous and cytotoxic.So is the vaccine effective? More or less. But effectiveness isn't always coupled with safe.
Btw, Dr Robert Malone,
, has come out and publicly questioned the safety of the vaccine, saying that the spike protein RNA being put in the mRNA vector of the vaccine is potentially dangerous and cytotoxic.So is the vaccine effective? More or less. But effectiveness isn't always coupled with safe.
Fair enough- we don't know what the long term effects of the vaccines will be. But cytotoxic? If it was, with several hundred million doses administered- we'd certainly have some inkling if they were "cytotoxic", at least in the short term.
Your body your choice. But for every anti vaxxer who comes down with covid- there's also the chance of a mutation that's going to render the vaccines ineffective.
BTW- The Internet is a blessing and a curse. I'm old enough to remember when the "experimental" polio vaccines came out. The difference being back then everyone with a blog (they didn't exist) could spread misinformation, disinformation and outright crap (magnetism anyone?) about the vaccines. You just lined up and got your shot or sugar cubes. So go ahead- take your chances. You might be lucky and not die. OTOH, my younger brother walked with a limp for the rest of his life- he was one of the lucky ones who only got a mild case of polio.
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Except that ivermectin is a generic drug that is off patent; it goes for roughly $4 a pill. Pharmaceutical companies are just like companies in any other industry; their goal is to make a profit. On-patent medicine sells for quite alot more than generic drugs, and can only be made by the pharma company that holds the patent and other companies that they contract out to. Faced with choosing between producing a generic medication for little profit and can be made by anyone, or, selling a medication that can bring in substantially more money and can only be made by the patent holder, what course of action do you think pharmaceutical companies would take? It wouldn't surprise me at all for pharma companies to try to suppress continued research and clinical trials into an off-patent generic drug.
Btw, the fact that a medication starts out as veterinary drug is pretty inconsequential. Many drugs that are developed start out as such until clinical trials demonstrate their usefulness in treating humans. It happens all the time. And using a medicine to treat something that it wasn't originally designed for happens all the time too. Pfizer was a middle of the road pharma company in the 90s until they found out that their failed heart medicine was excellent for giving Baby Boomers erections, and now they're in the top 5 largest pharma companies in the world.
Great- then some pharmaceutical company should be doing a ton of research to see it it works- or not.
Show me a few peer reviewed duplicate studies instead of a guy with an agenda to prove it works- first- and then I might believe it...
Hello? Some people are making one hell of a lot of money selling generic sildenafil of late...
Great- then some pharmaceutical company should be doing a ton of research to see it it works- or not.
Show me a few peer reviewed duplicate studies instead of a guy with an agenda to prove it works- first- and then I might believe it...
Hello? Some people are making one hell of a lot of money selling generic sildenafil of late...
why should they do R&D when your biden puppet canceled covid patents ? Why would they put all that expense into it when they can't get their R&D investments return?
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Starting with the pecker himself...
Starting with the pecker himself...
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Starting with the pecker himself...
Starting with the pecker himself...
The lady that thinks demons make you masturbate?
The lady that thinks alien DNA is used in medical treatment?
The lady that thinks the govt is making a vaccine to make people not religious?
The lady that blames medical conditions on witches and demons?
The lady who at best runs an urgicare next to her evangelical church?
What exactly does she deserve an apology for?
Christ, the anti science / anti expert sentiment that's growing in this country is going to be our downfall
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Starting with the pecker himself...
The lady that thinks demons make you masturbate?
The lady that thinks alien DNA is used in medical treatment?
The lady that thinks the govt is making a vaccine to make people not religious?
The lady that blames medical conditions on witches and demons?
The lady who at best runs an urgicare next to her evangelical church?
What exactly does she deserve an apology for?
Christ, the anti science / anti expert sentiment that's growing in this country is going to be our downfall
The lady that thinks demons make you masturbate?
The lady that thinks alien DNA is used in medical treatment?
The lady that thinks the govt is making a vaccine to make people not religious?
The lady that blames medical conditions on witches and demons?
The lady who at best runs an urgicare next to her evangelical church?
What exactly does she deserve an apology for?
Christ, the anti science / anti expert sentiment that's growing in this country is going to be our downfall
Unless of course its people who think women have dicks and balls.
(But we know demons don't cause masturbation. For Woody it's naked pictures of Macaulay Cullkin.)
WSS
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And now the VA is authorizing Transgenders to have sex change operations at government expense. Meanwhile, thousands of vets get disapproved for service connected ailments. How the fuck is this fair?
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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