2021 Browns OTA's/rolls into Mandatory Camp
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Baker should be comfortable in Stefanski's offense now
Spoiler Alert... the "biggest addition" is continuity.
In addition, to returning the offensive lineup, the Browns return their head coach, offensive coordinator, and entire offensive coaching staff.
Hell.... even the backups on the O-side are back.
So what does this continuity thang allow our O to focus upon?
Kevin Stefanski On Pre-Snap Cadence As How Cleveland Browns Offense Can Get Better In 2021
Spoiler Alert... the "biggest addition" is continuity.
Hell.... even the backups on the O-side are back.
So what does this continuity thang allow our O to focus upon?
Kevin Stefanski On Pre-Snap Cadence As How Cleveland Browns Offense Can Get Better In 2021
On the flip side I think the lack of continuity at least from the player personnel side is welcomed on defense.
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All true, especially in light of what h ended up signing for, but...
... if a player's priority is making the playoffs with a shot at a ring, then he has to take CLE over MN all day long.
I'm petty I would sign with another contender for vet minimum before I signed with the team that released me after all the fa money was gone if playoff and shot at ring was my priority. Obviously only speculation but I'd imagine Minnesota feels like home for Richardson.
I'm petty I would sign with another contender for vet minimum before I signed with the team that released me after all the fa money was gone if playoff and shot at ring was my priority. Obviously only speculation but I'd imagine Minnesota feels like home for Richardson.
Me too if money wasn’t the priority.
And they signed and drafted his replacement = writing on the wall that they didn’t want you.
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All true, especially in light of what h ended up signing for, but...
... if a player's priority is making the playoffs with a shot at a ring, then he has to take CLE over MN all day long.
I'm petty I would sign with another contender for vet minimum before I signed with the team that released me after all the fa money was gone if playoff and shot at ring was my priority. Obviously only speculation but I'd imagine Minnesota feels like home for Richardson.
I'm petty I would sign with another contender for vet minimum before I signed with the team that released me after all the fa money was gone if playoff and shot at ring was my priority. Obviously only speculation but I'd imagine Minnesota feels like home for Richardson.
I get that (except for your implicit take that MN is a "contender")...
... but...
... in returning to MN he is returning to a team that was unwilling to pay him what he was worth on the open market just 3 short years ago. $$$ we paid him... and paid him well
... and...
... he did sign a contract with us that invited what occurred. No way he did not know it could end this way. as the ink dried
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'm petty I would sign with another contender for vet minimum before I signed with the team that released me after all the fa money was gone if playoff and shot at ring was my priority. Obviously only speculation but I'd imagine Minnesota feels like home for Richardson.
Me too if money wasn’t the priority.
And they signed and drafted his replacement = writing on the wall that they didn’t want you.
And they signed and drafted his replacement = writing on the wall that they didn’t want you.
Long-term... sure, but at a $3.6mm 1-year deal?
Pretty sure we wanted him... at least as much as MN.
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I'm petty I would sign with another contender for vet minimum before I signed with the team that released me after all the fa money was gone if playoff and shot at ring was my priority. Obviously only speculation but I'd imagine Minnesota feels like home for Richardson.
I get that (except for your implicit take that MN is a "contender")...
... but...
... in returning to MN he is returning to a team that was unwilling to pay him what he was worth on the open market just 3 short years ago. $$$ we paid him... and paid him well
... and...
... he did sign a contract with us that invited what occurred. No way he did not know it could end this way. as the ink dried
I get that (except for your implicit take that MN is a "contender")...
... but...
... in returning to MN he is returning to a team that was unwilling to pay him what he was worth on the open market just 3 short years ago. $$$ we paid him... and paid him well
... and...
... he did sign a contract with us that invited what occurred. No way he did not know it could end this way. as the ink dried
Sorry I didn't make it clear. I was just saying what I would do not what Richardson did and then speculated on why Richardson chose MN (feeling like home to him). Also you can say they didn't want to pay him but he was allowed to seek out the best deal for him while all teams still had money to go around. So just my take but I wouldn't feel done dirty by that.
Again before I get yelled at by a certain section of the fanbase the browns were just doing business. When your potential super bowl window is open sometimes you have to make these decisions. I just know in my heart if the same thing were done to me as was done to Richardson there would be hard feelings on my end.
Edit I know clowney and Richardson don't play the sane position but it seems the money that was given to Clowney is what pushed the tipping point on cutting Richardson and if that were the case I would have rather kept Richardson and not signed Clowney.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/richarson-comments-on-cutting-by-browns I get, A players agents never wants to slam a teams door (lead to reports of possible return)...but Shelton? just may have...
I remember having a discussion with gip and I believe ag when this happened and they mentioned the hope of resigning him. I didn't think there was any hope because of the way the browns handled him. They did him dirty. I don't blame the browns because it's a business but I don't blame Sheldon for being upset either. My only fear is that Cleveland just became a good destination for free agents I hope the way the front office handled it sours other players on playing for the browns down the line.
They did him dirty.
How did they "do him dirty" ? He didn't earn his paycheck.. for 2 entire seasons. If anything he did the Browns dirty by not accepting their request to take a lower deal.
This is the same logic that's used to blame the Browns for people like Schwartz leaving.. even though Schwartz turned down the Browns' offer which was higher than KC's.
The Browns are not the only people with agency here.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Shelton was released on 4/16 https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/transactions/ Togiai was drafted & on back 2 back days.. Square & McDowell was added...5/3/4/2021
I say Berry knew than..that the Richardson Bridge was burnt to his crossing..
Here's our Richardson topic... https://thebrownsboard.com/topic/61039-sheldon-richardson-released/
Here's what Richardson lost https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/defensive-tackle/ he's better than Ogun...
Our site has this post on page 2.. https://dawgpounddaily.com/2021/04/18/andrew-berry-sends-message-cleveland-browns-veterans-lets-restructure/ we have no other players with Richardson's agent named Ben Dogra
Did Berry try to restruct Richardson? And was the Restruct number higher than what the Vikings paid?.... Interested Fan favorites, would like you to address Mr. Berry ?
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They did him dirty.
How did they "do him dirty" ? He didn't earn his paycheck.. for 2 entire seasons. If anything he did the Browns dirty by not accepting their request to take a lower deal.
This is the same logic that's used to blame the Browns for people like Schwartz leaving.. even though Schwartz turned down the Browns' offer which was higher than KC's.
The Browns are not the only people with agency here.
How did they "do him dirty" ? He didn't earn his paycheck.. for 3 entire seasons. If anything he did the Browns dirty by not accepting their request to take a lower deal.
This is the same logic that's used to blame the Browns for people like Schwartz leaving.. even though Schwartz turned down the Browns' offer which was higher than KC's.
The Browns are not the only people with agency here.
And here it comes. Regardless of what you think about him "earning his paycheck" (in my opinion he played very well for us and was a great leader in some uncertain times) the done dirty part I'm referring to is releasing him after all free agent money had been spent in the league.
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So.. Instead of assuming Berea was actively trying to restructure [formal and easily verifiable offers to his agent and him, etc] to avoid cutting, you're assuming a deliberate/conspiratorial intent to sabotage? Everyone released this offseason would have a tough time getting money elsewhere because the cap dropped.. the timing wouldn't matter much. Olivier Vernon remains unsigned..
And - Richardson was released just 2 days after signing Clowney. I really do think that Berry was focused on the acquisitions.. then completed the paperwork on Clowney, and wanted to sleep on the cut decision to make sure it's correct.
But if the conspiracy makes you happy, go for it!
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
So.. Instead of assuming Berea was actively trying to restructure [formal and easily verifiable offers to his agent and him, etc] to avoid cutting, you're assuming a deliberate/conspiratorial intent to sabotage? Everyone released this offseason would have a tough time getting money elsewhere because the cap dropped.. the timing wouldn't matter much. Olivier Vernon remains unsigned..
And - Richardson was released just 2 days after signing Clowney. I really do think that Berry was focused on the acquisitions.. then completed the paperwork on Clowney, and wanted to sleep on the cut decision to make sure it's correct.
But if the conspiracy makes you happy, go for it!
But if the conspiracy makes you happy, go for it!
Cap Guru.. no conspiracy.."Players play to get paid" they pay Agents their bucks to do so...Are you always standing on your cap management degree? side <=>?...If so? Fine you!
We had all the cap money we needed to add Clowney & re-do Shelton...still do.. more next cap season.. Richardson needed to consider a Browns restruct on his final year..Agreed! Period!
What really did Happen in Berry's defense? now we have a 'conspiracy guessing game'.. that's all
Signed,
The ? of Gipper...
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
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So.. Instead of assuming Berea was actively trying to restructure [formal and easily verifiable offers to his agent and him, etc] to avoid cutting, you're assuming a deliberate/conspiratorial intent to sabotage? Everyone released this offseason would have a tough time getting money elsewhere because the cap dropped.. the timing wouldn't matter much. Olivier Vernon remains unsigned..
And - Richardson was released just 2 days after signing Clowney. I really do think that Berry was focused on the acquisitions.. then completed the paperwork on Clowney, and wanted to sleep on the cut decision to make sure it's correct.
But if the conspiracy makes you happy, go for it!
So.. Instead of assuming Berea was actively trying to restructure [formal and easily verifiable offers to his agent and him, etc] to avoid cutting, you're assuming a deliberate/conspiratorial intent to sabotage? Everyone released this offseason would have a tough time getting money elsewhere because the cap dropped.. the timing wouldn't matter much. Olivier Vernon remains unsigned..
And - Richardson was released just 2 days after signing Clowney. I really do think that Berry was focused on the acquisitions.. then completed the paperwork on Clowney, and wanted to sleep on the cut decision to make sure it's correct.
But if the conspiracy makes you happy, go for it!
No I don't believe it was some conspiracy. Never did I say that. It doesn't have to be intentional for it to be doing a player "dirty". Hence why I've said it's business in two of my posts and I don't fault the Browns for it at all. Yes the cap dropped we all know that but if you want to believe it wouldn't be easier to get money if you were negotiating when everyone has their full budget then go for it. Obviously Sheldon Richardson a very much respected vet around the league feels a certain way.
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So.. Instead of assuming Berea was actively trying to restructure [formal and easily verifiable offers to his agent and him, etc] to avoid cutting, you're assuming a deliberate/conspiratorial intent to sabotage? Everyone released this offseason would have a tough time getting money elsewhere because the cap dropped.. the timing wouldn't matter much. Olivier Vernon remains unsigned..
And - Richardson was released just 2 days after signing Clowney. I really do think that Berry was focused on the acquisitions.. then completed the paperwork on Clowney, and wanted to sleep on the cut decision to make sure it's correct.
But if the conspiracy makes you happy, go for it!
No I don't believe it was some conspiracy. Never did I say that. It doesn't have to be intentional for it to be doing a player "dirty". Hence why I've said it's business in two of my posts and I don't fault the Browns for it at all. Yes the cap dropped we all know that but if you want to believe it wouldn't be easier to get money if you were negotiating when everyone has their full budget then go for it. Obviously Sheldon Richardson a very much respected vet around the league feels a certain way.
No I don't believe it was some conspiracy. Never did I say that. It doesn't have to be intentional for it to be doing a player "dirty". Hence why I've said it's business in two of my posts and I don't fault the Browns for it at all. Yes the cap dropped we all know that but if you want to believe it wouldn't be easier to get money if you were negotiating when everyone has their full budget then go for it. Obviously Sheldon Richardson a very much respected vet around the league feels a certain way.
Yeah, I have no idea how he's coming up with regarding your theory as a "conspiracy", but how and when the Browns cut him did screw him out of the chance of entering free agency at the more lucrative beginning. I also have no idea how Richardson supposedly "stole" money from the Browns. Guy was a solid player.
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I know i don't 'speak type' to well nor spell ? But Damm' it... You media creeps need to ask the right questions... or I'm coming in ?
Here....We had Berry on the hook ?... and we let Berry get away!
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How Mandatory camp ended ? And 5 camp takes https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-takeaways-from-browns-minicamp
Your all in luck ? ...Gumby's off to Kitty Hawk & the Outer Banks.. Enjoy your Fathers Day! ?
6 long weeks to.............Go Browns ! Stay Chill'in ......
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
So.. Instead of assuming Berea was actively trying to restructure [formal and easily verifiable offers to his agent and him, etc] to avoid cutting, you're assuming a deliberate/conspiratorial intent to sabotage? Everyone released this offseason would have a tough time getting money elsewhere because the cap dropped.. the timing wouldn't matter much. Olivier Vernon remains unsigned..
And - Richardson was released just 2 days after signing Clowney. I really do think that Berry was focused on the acquisitions.. then completed the paperwork on Clowney, and wanted to sleep on the cut decision to make sure it's correct.
But if the conspiracy makes you happy, go for it!
No I don't believe it was some conspiracy. Never did I say that. It doesn't have to be intentional for it to be doing a player "dirty". Hence why I've said it's business in two of my posts and I don't fault the Browns for it at all. Yes the cap dropped we all know that but if you want to believe it wouldn't be easier to get money if you were negotiating when everyone has their full budget then go for it. Obviously Sheldon Richardson a very much respected vet around the league feels a certain way.
It doesn't have to be intentional for it to be doing a player "dirty"
And so your plan for dealing with Richardson [to not do him dirty] is.. to cut him before the start of FA - before Browns had signed any other offseason free agent? That seems.. unwise, because then Berry would open Browns to the possibility of no FA's signed and Richardson cut. If that's not your plan to accomplish not doing him dirty.. then what is? [Leonard Williams and Dalvin Tomlinson and Shelby Harris all signed on first day of FA period, those are the big deals] If there's no other option.. then Berry couldn't have done him dirty because Berry simply executed his only move.
The reason the concept of doing dirty is a conspiracy theory is because you're asserting after the fact that some action was possible which is..... absolutely not a thing. There's not a doing of anything to Richardson.. there's neither emotion nor directionality [towards Sheldon] involved. There's zero universes where Berry cuts Richardson before ensuring all the FA paperwork had gone through. I'd bet without Clowney, Richardson is restructured [clowney is only 3.9 this season, richardson was 11] and stays.
This is the tightrope of a high salary -- very few others would be interested in it, and even fewer could actually pay it simply based on other commitments even if so inclined. Also, this entire concept seems to memory-hole the reality that Richardson's contract was an intentional overpay at its start and was never going to be matched elsewhere... and under more competent management was therefore very likely to be ended with a cut anyway.
If you want to think the doing dirty theory is true no matter what evidence is presented.. then you're assuming a lot more negative intent and directionality than is actually there - in both business and personal life. And you're welcome to it.. but that's a pretty bleak world!
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How Mandatory camp ended ? And 5 camp takes https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-takeaways-from-browns-minicamp
Your all in luck ? ...Gumby's off to Kitty Hawk & the Outer Banks.. Enjoy your Fathers Day! ?
6 long weeks to.............Go Browns ! Stay Chill'in ......How Mandatory camp ended ? And 5 camp takes https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-takeaways-from-browns-minicamp
Your all in luck ? ...Gumby's off to Kitty Hawk & the Outer Banks.. Enjoy your Fathers Day! ?
6 long weeks to.............Go Browns ! Stay Chill'in ......Hey Gumby,
Head over to The Black Pelican & have the blackened Tuna with Salsa.....I swear that I could eat that every day!!! Sadly, we can't make it down there this year, but NEXT year hopefully...
Mike
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But if the conspiracy makes you happy, go for it!
Cap Guru.. no conspiracy.."Players play to get paid" they pay Agents their bucks to do so...Are you always standing on your cap management degree? side <=>?...If so? Fine you!
We had all the cap money we needed to add Clowney & re-do Shelton...still do.. more next cap season.. Richardson needed to consider a Browns restruct on his final year..Agreed! Period!
What really did Happen in Berry's defense? now we have a 'conspiracy guessing game'.. that's all
Signed,
The ? of Gipper...
We had all the cap money we needed to add Clowney & re-do Shelton...still do.. more next cap season.
You did see where we are now in extension talks with Chubb, didn't you?
And he'll be cheap compared to Baker.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Meanwhile back at the thread...
Nice little wrap-up, Mandy-Mini article including other FA fish in the sea...
It'll put a smile on your faces...
Have a blast, gumster... taking a surf rod with you?
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https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/richarson-comments-on-cutting-by-browns I get, A players agents never wants to slam a teams door (lead to reports of possible return)...but Shelton? just may have...
I remember having a discussion with gip and I believe ag when this happened and they mentioned the hope of resigning him. I didn't think there was any hope because of the way the browns handled him. They did him dirty. I don't blame the browns because it's a business but I don't blame Sheldon for being upset either. My only fear is that Cleveland just became a good destination for free agents I hope the way the front office handled it sours other players on playing for the browns down the line.
I remember having a discussion with gip and I believe ag when this happened and they mentioned the hope of resigning him.
...I was also one with hopes. Because he was a good player for us. When other guys on the DL were missing time with dings & dents, he was out on the field to be reckoned with. He was / is good. He was the type of guy that you wanted on your team. I guess he deserved better from us.
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