Removing Confederate generals statues
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If you think the history only exists if statues, many of which that were put up decades later specifically as anti civil rights measures, remain up then you have a very simple brain.
If you think a group that went to war with our country deserves to be celebrated in this county and really they're just misunderstood then you're so far deep in toting the modern conservative line that this conversation isn't going to go anywhere.
Calling this a "destruction of US history" is a joke. Books, media, museums, etc all help preserve this history. It isn't done only by celebrating someone that went to war with our country.
If you think the history only exists if statues, many of which that were put up decades later specifically as anti civil rights measures, remain up then you have a very simple brain.
If you think a group that went to war with our country deserves to be celebrated in this county and really they're just misunderstood then you're so far deep in toting the modern conservative line that this conversation isn't going to go anywhere.
Calling this a "destruction of US history" is a joke. Books, media, museums, etc all help preserve this history. It isn't done only by celebrating someone that went to war with our country.
Did you ever stop and think why they made Auschwitz a memorial and museum?
There are reasons you don’t destroy history.
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And if you believe that history isn't rewritten to fit the purposes of the different people who are telling the story you are truly out of your mind.
WSS
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And if you believe that history isn't rewritten to fit the purposes of the different people who are telling the story you are truly out of your mind.
WSS
And if you believe that history isn't rewritten to fit the purposes of the different people who are telling the story you are truly out of your mind.
WSS
If you remove the evidence, you remove the deed!
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
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Woodpecker is a brainwashed **MASK**.
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Saw this issue in another thread and there was a great point that the South were not traitors at all. They're merely wanted to secede. George Washington was actually a traitor but the winner writes the history.
And for you self-righteous liberals who are cheering on the destruction of US history because you believe the South were traitorous... The people you defend murdered how many civilians? Let's take a look...
https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/statistics-civil-war
So you hypocrites are actually defending war criminals. Nice work.
WSS
Saw this issue in another thread and there was a great point that the South were not traitors at all. They're merely wanted to secede. George Washington was actually a traitor but the winner writes the history.
And for you self-righteous liberals who are cheering on the destruction of US history because you believe the South were traitorous... The people you defend murdered how many civilians? Let's take a look...
https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/statistics-civil-war
So you hypocrites are actually defending war criminals. Nice work.
WSS
No they were traitors. That's why they had to be pardon for their treason.
Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution, and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally, and without reservation, to all and to every person who directly or indirectly participated in the late insurrection or rebellion, a full pardon and amnesty for the offence of treason against the United States, or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof. -
Saw this issue in another thread and there was a great point that the South were not traitors at all. They're merely wanted to secede. George Washington was actually a traitor but the winner writes the history.
And for you self-righteous liberals who are cheering on the destruction of US history because you believe the South were traitorous... The people you defend murdered how many civilians? Let's take a look...
https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/statistics-civil-war
So you hypocrites are actually defending war criminals. Nice work.
WSS
No they were traitors. That's why they had to be pardon for their treason.
Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution, and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally, and without reservation, to all and to every person who directly or indirectly participated in the late insurrection or rebellion, a full pardon and amnesty for the offence of treason against the United States, or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof.No they were traitors. That's why they had to be pardon for their treason.
Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution, and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally, and without reservation, to all and to every person who directly or indirectly participated in the late insurrection or rebellion, a full pardon and amnesty for the offence of treason against the United States, or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof.pardoned for the REBELLION, NOT TREASON. They were NOT TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOV. Try to find "treason" in your quote in red.
They wanted to secede.(why do we always have to be the lefties dictionary? Oh yeah, because they use words only emotionally, not accurately
treason
nounEnglish Language Learners Definition of treason
: the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during war -
No they were traitors. That's why they had to be pardon for their treason.
Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution, and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally, and without reservation, to all and to every person who directly or indirectly participated in the late insurrection or rebellion, a full pardon and amnesty for the offence of treason against the United States, or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof.pardoned for the REBELLION, NOT TREASON. They were NOT TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOV. Try to find "treason" in your quote in red.
They wanted to secede.(why do we always have to be the lefties dictionary? Oh yeah, because they use words only emotionally, not accurately
treason
nounEnglish Language Learners Definition of treason
: the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during warpardoned for the REBELLION, NOT TREASON. They were NOT TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOV. Try to find "treason" in your quote in red.
They wanted to secede.(why do we always have to be the lefties dictionary? Oh yeah, because they use words only emotionally, not accurately
treason
nounEnglish Language Learners Definition of treason
: the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during waroffence of treason against the United States
You must have missed it the first time.
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pardoned for the REBELLION, NOT TREASON. They were NOT TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOV. Try to find "treason" in your quote in red.
They wanted to secede.(why do we always have to be the lefties dictionary? Oh yeah, because they use words only emotionally, not accurately
treason
nounEnglish Language Learners Definition of treason
: the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during waroffence of treason against the United States
You must have missed it the first time.
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Leave them up or take them down, I couldn’t care less. Claiming secession, achieved through war, isn’t treason, that’s another topic for another day.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-iii/clauses/39
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pardoned for the REBELLION, NOT TREASON. They were NOT TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOV. Try to find "treason" in your quote in red.
They wanted to secede.(why do we always have to be the lefties dictionary? Oh yeah, because they use words only emotionally, not accurately
treason
nounEnglish Language Learners Definition of treason
: the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during waroffence of treason against the United States
You must have missed it the first time.
offence of treason against the United States
You must have missed it the first time.
The sentence you cited seems to be a misnomer. It only implies treason.
No one was ever tried for the offense of treason.
My understaning is that in order to be pardoned for a crime, one would of had to be first found guilty of it, no?
Whether Lee or Underwood realized it, there were also some serious constitutional and legal obstacles in the path of a conviction—or even a trial—for treason. For one thing, the Constitution’s definition of treason is really a very narrow one, and much would dangle on the exact meaning of “levying war.”
Abraham Lincoln had insisted from the beginning that since war is a condition that exists only between two sovereign nations, and since the Confederacy was in his view only an insurrection, no actual war legally existed between the North and the South.Cal owned you on this one.
Nothing ever changes.
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Leave them up or take them down, I couldn’t care less. Claiming secession, achieved through war, isn’t treason, that’s another topic for another day.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-iii/clauses/39
Leave them up or take them down, I couldn’t care less. Claiming secession, achieved through war, isn’t treason, that’s another topic for another day.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-iii/clauses/39
https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal
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Leave them up or take them down, I couldn’t care less. Claiming secession, achieved through war, isn’t treason, that’s another topic for another day.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-iii/clauses/39
https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal
https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal
Lol love it. Let’s examine the 2nd Amendment in the same light.
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https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal
Lol love it. Let’s examine the 2nd Amendment in the same light.
Lol love it. Let’s examine the 2nd Amendment in the same light.
The Second Amendment is a thing of the past. Unfortunately or not depending on your point of view.
But do take note at the North wanted to punish the South and that they didn't dare go to the Supreme Court and take the risk of acquittal. But again like I said if trees in the such a big deal to any of you guys how can you possibly follow George Washington?
WSS
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offence of treason against the United States
You must have missed it the first time.
The sentence you cited seems to be a misnomer. It only implies treason.
No one was ever tried for the offense of treason.
My understaning is that in order to be pardoned for a crime, one would of had to be first found guilty of it, no?
Whether Lee or Underwood realized it, there were also some serious constitutional and legal obstacles in the path of a conviction—or even a trial—for treason. For one thing, the Constitution’s definition of treason is really a very narrow one, and much would dangle on the exact meaning of “levying war.”
Abraham Lincoln had insisted from the beginning that since war is a condition that exists only between two sovereign nations, and since the Confederacy was in his view only an insurrection, no actual war legally existed between the North and the South.Cal owned you on this one.
Nothing ever changes.
The sentence you cited seems to be a misnomer. It only implies treason.
No one was ever tried for the offense of treason.
My understaning is that in order to be pardoned for a crime, one would of had to be first found guilty of it, no?
Whether Lee or Underwood realized it, there were also some serious constitutional and legal obstacles in the path of a conviction—or even a trial—for treason. For one thing, the Constitution’s definition of treason is really a very narrow one, and much would dangle on the exact meaning of “levying war.”
Abraham Lincoln had insisted from the beginning that since war is a condition that exists only between two sovereign nations, and since the Confederacy was in his view only an insurrection, no actual war legally existed between the North and the South.Cal owned you on this one.
Nothing ever changes.
Welcome Back!
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pardoned for the REBELLION, NOT TREASON. They were NOT TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOV. Try to find "treason" in your quote in red.
They wanted to secede.(why do we always have to be the lefties dictionary? Oh yeah, because they use words only emotionally, not accurately
treason
nounEnglish Language Learners Definition of treason
: the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during waroffence of treason against the United States
You must have missed it the first time.
offence of treason against the United States
You must have missed it the first time.
I said IN RED. Yes, I missed "treason" in the entire document - but just because he SAYS "treason" doesn't mean it's true per the actual definition of treason. If I were president and granted you a pardon for being from a distant galaxy, does that mean you are from a distant galaxy? of course not.
It is NOT treason. It was a rebellion to LEAVE the union, not to overthrow the union. If the south were to have given help to the British during the revolutionary war, that would have been treason.
Were it treason, it would be treasonous to grant a full pardon to all those who committed it.
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By the way he equating secession with treason didn't come about with the Supreme Court until 1869 four years of Civil War was over. To rub salt into the wound since butchering thousands upon thousands of innocent civilian, men women and children s wasn't good enough.
If treason ever meant anything to you liberal clowns in the first place. Which I doubt.
WSS
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You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.
The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise...
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.
The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise...
You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.
The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise...
Just recently look at Comey, Fauci & Pence. They were all great when they peddled the right narrative. As soon as they diverged, they were all scumbags
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You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.
The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise...
You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.
The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise...
Nobody on the right has wanted every vestige of the Confederacy wiped off the face of the Earth. Not until the liberals and power-mad Democrats told people like you to be offended.
Fauci was nobody and nobody cared about you one way or the other and the only reason you like the incompetent old quack is because he made faces standing behind Trump not because he knew his ass from a hole in the ground.
And I agree with Mike Pence it's time to give up the idea that the election is ever going to be made fair. That train has left the station.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.
The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise...
Just recently look at Comey, Fauci & Pence. They were all great when they peddled the right narrative. As soon as they diverged, they were all scumbags
Just recently look at Comey, Fauci & Pence. They were all great when they peddled the right narrative. As soon as they diverged, they were all scumbags
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