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    W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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    And if you believe that history isn't rewritten to fit the purposes of the different people who are telling the story you are truly out of your mind.

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      And if you believe that history isn't rewritten to fit the purposes of the different people who are telling the story you are truly out of your mind.

      WSS

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      @westside-steve said:

      And if you believe that history isn't rewritten to fit the purposes of the different people who are telling the story you are truly out of your mind.

      WSS

      If you remove the evidence, you remove the deed!  

      Those who ignore history are doomed to  repeat it.

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        Woodpecker is a brainwashed **MASK**.😁

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          Saw this issue in another thread and there was a great point that the South were not traitors at all. They're merely wanted to secede. George Washington was actually a traitor but the winner writes the history.

          And for you self-righteous liberals who are cheering on the destruction of US history because you believe the South were traitorous... The people you defend murdered how many civilians? Let's take a look...

          https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/statistics-civil-war

          So you hypocrites are actually defending war criminals. Nice work.

          WSS

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          @westside-steve said:

          Saw this issue in another thread and there was a great point that the South were not traitors at all. They're merely wanted to secede. George Washington was actually a traitor but the winner writes the history.

          And for you self-righteous liberals who are cheering on the destruction of US history because you believe the South were traitorous... The people you defend murdered how many civilians? Let's take a look...

          https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/statistics-civil-war

          So you hypocrites are actually defending war criminals. Nice work.

          WSS

          No they were traitors. That's why they had to be pardon for their treason. 


          Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution, and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally, and without reservation, to all and to every person who directly or indirectly participated in the late insurrection or rebellion, a full pardon and amnesty for the offence of treason against the United States, or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof. 

          [December 25, 1868.- Granting full pardon and amnesty to all persons engaged in the late rebellion.] : By the President of the United States of America. A proclamation ... Done at the City of Washington, the twenty-fifth day of December, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-eight ... | Library of Congress (loc.gov)

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            @westside-steve said:

            Saw this issue in another thread and there was a great point that the South were not traitors at all. They're merely wanted to secede. George Washington was actually a traitor but the winner writes the history.

            And for you self-righteous liberals who are cheering on the destruction of US history because you believe the South were traitorous... The people you defend murdered how many civilians? Let's take a look...

            https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/statistics-civil-war

            So you hypocrites are actually defending war criminals. Nice work.

            WSS

            No they were traitors. That's why they had to be pardon for their treason. 


            Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution, and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally, and without reservation, to all and to every person who directly or indirectly participated in the late insurrection or rebellion, a full pardon and amnesty for the offence of treason against the United States, or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof. 

            [December 25, 1868.- Granting full pardon and amnesty to all persons engaged in the late rebellion.] : By the President of the United States of America. A proclamation ... Done at the City of Washington, the twenty-fifth day of December, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-eight ... | Library of Congress (loc.gov)

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            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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            @cccjwh said:

            No they were traitors. That's why they had to be pardon for their treason. 


            Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution, and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally, and without reservation, to all and to every person who directly or indirectly participated in the late insurrection or rebellion, a full pardon and amnesty for the offence of treason against the United States, or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof. 

            [December 25, 1868.- Granting full pardon and amnesty to all persons engaged in the late rebellion.] : By the President of the United States of America. A proclamation ... Done at the City of Washington, the twenty-fifth day of December, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-eight ... | Library of Congress (loc.gov)

            pardoned for the REBELLION, NOT TREASON. They were NOT TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOV. Try to find "treason" in your quote in red.

            They wanted to secede.(why do we always have to be the lefties dictionary? Oh yeah, because they use words only emotionally, not accurately

            treason

            noun

            English Language Learners Definition of treason

            : the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during war
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              @cccjwh said:

              No they were traitors. That's why they had to be pardon for their treason. 


              Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution, and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally, and without reservation, to all and to every person who directly or indirectly participated in the late insurrection or rebellion, a full pardon and amnesty for the offence of treason against the United States, or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof. 

              [December 25, 1868.- Granting full pardon and amnesty to all persons engaged in the late rebellion.] : By the President of the United States of America. A proclamation ... Done at the City of Washington, the twenty-fifth day of December, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-eight ... | Library of Congress (loc.gov)

              pardoned for the REBELLION, NOT TREASON. They were NOT TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOV. Try to find "treason" in your quote in red.

              They wanted to secede.(why do we always have to be the lefties dictionary? Oh yeah, because they use words only emotionally, not accurately

              treason

              noun

              English Language Learners Definition of treason

              : the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during war
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              cccjwhC cccjwh wrote on last edited by
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              @calfoxwc said:

              pardoned for the REBELLION, NOT TREASON. They were NOT TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOV. Try to find "treason" in your quote in red.

              They wanted to secede.(why do we always have to be the lefties dictionary? Oh yeah, because they use words only emotionally, not accurately

              treason

              noun
               
               

              English Language Learners Definition of treason

              : the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during war

              offence of treason against the United States

              You must have missed it the first time.

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                @calfoxwc said:

                pardoned for the REBELLION, NOT TREASON. They were NOT TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOV. Try to find "treason" in your quote in red.

                They wanted to secede.(why do we always have to be the lefties dictionary? Oh yeah, because they use words only emotionally, not accurately

                treason

                noun
                 
                 

                English Language Learners Definition of treason

                : the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during war

                offence of treason against the United States

                You must have missed it the first time.

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                DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                @cccjwh said:

                offence of treason against the United States

                You must have missed it the first time.

                They were freedom fighters.

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                  Leave them up or take them down, I couldn’t care less. Claiming secession, achieved through war, isn’t treason, that’s another topic for another day.

                  https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-iii/clauses/39

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                    @calfoxwc said:

                    pardoned for the REBELLION, NOT TREASON. They were NOT TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOV. Try to find "treason" in your quote in red.

                    They wanted to secede.(why do we always have to be the lefties dictionary? Oh yeah, because they use words only emotionally, not accurately

                    treason

                    noun
                     
                     

                    English Language Learners Definition of treason

                    : the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during war

                    offence of treason against the United States

                    You must have missed it the first time.

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                    GorkaG Gorka wrote on last edited by
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                    @cccjwh said:

                    offence of treason against the United States

                    You must have missed it the first time.

                    The sentence you cited seems to be a misnomer. It only implies treason.

                    No one was ever tried for the offense of treason.

                    My understaning is that in order to be pardoned for a crime, one would of had to be first found guilty of it, no?

                    Whether Lee or Underwood realized it, there were also some serious constitutional and legal obstacles in the path of a conviction—or even a trial—for treason. For one thing, the Constitution’s definition of treason is really a very narrow one, and much would dangle on the exact meaning of “levying war.”
                    Abraham Lincoln had insisted from the beginning that since war is a condition that exists only between two sovereign nations, and since the Confederacy was in his view only an insurrection, no actual war legally existed between the North and the South. 

                    Cal owned you on this one.

                    Nothing ever changes.

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                      Leave them up or take them down, I couldn’t care less. Claiming secession, achieved through war, isn’t treason, that’s another topic for another day.

                      https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-iii/clauses/39

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                      @baconhound said:

                      Leave them up or take them down, I couldn’t care less. Claiming secession, achieved through war, isn’t treason, that’s another topic for another day.

                      https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-iii/clauses/39

                      https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal

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                        @baconhound said:

                        Leave them up or take them down, I couldn’t care less. Claiming secession, achieved through war, isn’t treason, that’s another topic for another day.

                        https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-iii/clauses/39

                        https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal

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                        @westside-steve said:

                        https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal

                        Lol love it.  Let’s examine the 2nd Amendment in the same light.

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                          @westside-steve said:

                          https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal

                          Lol love it.  Let’s examine the 2nd Amendment in the same light.

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                          @baconhound said:

                          Lol love it.  Let’s examine the 2nd Amendment in the same light.

                          The Second Amendment is a thing of the past. Unfortunately or not depending on your point of view.

                          But do take note at the North wanted to punish the South and that they didn't dare go to the Supreme Court and take the risk of acquittal. But again like I said if trees in the such a big deal to any of you guys how can you possibly follow George Washington?

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                            @cccjwh said:

                            offence of treason against the United States

                            You must have missed it the first time.

                            The sentence you cited seems to be a misnomer. It only implies treason.

                            No one was ever tried for the offense of treason.

                            My understaning is that in order to be pardoned for a crime, one would of had to be first found guilty of it, no?

                            Whether Lee or Underwood realized it, there were also some serious constitutional and legal obstacles in the path of a conviction—or even a trial—for treason. For one thing, the Constitution’s definition of treason is really a very narrow one, and much would dangle on the exact meaning of “levying war.”
                            Abraham Lincoln had insisted from the beginning that since war is a condition that exists only between two sovereign nations, and since the Confederacy was in his view only an insurrection, no actual war legally existed between the North and the South. 

                            Cal owned you on this one.

                            Nothing ever changes.

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                            Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                            @gorka said:

                            The sentence you cited seems to be a misnomer. It only implies treason.

                            No one was ever tried for the offense of treason.

                            My understaning is that in order to be pardoned for a crime, one would of had to be first found guilty of it, no?

                            Whether Lee or Underwood realized it, there were also some serious constitutional and legal obstacles in the path of a conviction—or even a trial—for treason. For one thing, the Constitution’s definition of treason is really a very narrow one, and much would dangle on the exact meaning of “levying war.”
                            Abraham Lincoln had insisted from the beginning that since war is a condition that exists only between two sovereign nations, and since the Confederacy was in his view only an insurrection, no actual war legally existed between the North and the South. 

                            Cal owned you on this one.

                            Nothing ever changes.

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                              @calfoxwc said:

                              pardoned for the REBELLION, NOT TREASON. They were NOT TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOV. Try to find "treason" in your quote in red.

                              They wanted to secede.(why do we always have to be the lefties dictionary? Oh yeah, because they use words only emotionally, not accurately

                              treason

                              noun
                               
                               

                              English Language Learners Definition of treason

                              : the crime of trying to overthrow your country's government or of helping your country's enemies during war

                              offence of treason against the United States

                              You must have missed it the first time.

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                              @cccjwh said:

                              offence of treason against the United States

                              You must have missed it the first time.

                              I said IN RED. Yes, I missed "treason" in the entire document - but just because he SAYS "treason" doesn't mean it's true per the actual definition of treason. If I were president and granted you a pardon for being from a distant galaxy, does that mean you are from a distant galaxy? of course not.

                              It is NOT treason. It was a rebellion to LEAVE the union, not to overthrow the union. If the south were to have given help to the British during the revolutionary war, that would have been treason.

                              Were it treason, it would be treasonous to grant a full pardon to all those who committed it.

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                                By the way he equating secession with treason didn't come about with the Supreme Court until 1869 four years of Civil War was over. To rub salt into the wound since butchering thousands upon thousands of innocent civilian, men women and children s wasn't good enough.

                                If treason ever meant anything to you liberal clowns in the first place. Which I doubt.

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                                  You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.

                                  The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise... 

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                                    You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.

                                    The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise... 

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                                    @mld-woody said:

                                    You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.

                                    The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise... 

                                    Just recently look at Comey, Fauci & Pence.  They were all great when they peddled the right narrative.  As soon as they diverged, they were all scumbags

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                                      You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.

                                      The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise... 

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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.

                                      The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise... 

                                      Nobody on the right has wanted every vestige of the Confederacy wiped off the face of the Earth. Not until the liberals and power-mad Democrats told people like you to be offended.

                                      Fauci was nobody and nobody cared about you one way or the other and the only reason you like the incompetent old quack is because he made faces standing behind Trump not because he knew his ass from a hole in the ground.

                                      And I agree with Mike Pence it's time to give up the idea that the election is ever going to be made fair. That train has left the station.

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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.

                                        The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise... 

                                        Just recently look at Comey, Fauci & Pence.  They were all great when they peddled the right narrative.  As soon as they diverged, they were all scumbags

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                                        @baconhound said:

                                        Just recently look at Comey, Fauci & Pence.  They were all great when they peddled the right narrative.  As soon as they diverged, they were all scumbags

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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          You gotta love when toting the party line loops so far back on itself that the "Real Americans" are lining up to defend and celebrate those that went to war with the US. Amazing.

                                          The sane hypocrisy happens with spending, govt power, etc though so it's not a surprise... 

                                          Nobody on the right has wanted every vestige of the Confederacy wiped off the face of the Earth. Not until the liberals and power-mad Democrats told people like you to be offended.

                                          Fauci was nobody and nobody cared about you one way or the other and the only reason you like the incompetent old quack is because he made faces standing behind Trump not because he knew his ass from a hole in the ground.

                                          And I agree with Mike Pence it's time to give up the idea that the election is ever going to be made fair. That train has left the station.

                                          WSS

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                                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                          @westside-steve said:

                                          Nobody on the right has wanted every vestige of the Confederacy wiped off the face of the Earth. Not until the liberals and power-mad Democrats told people like you to be offended.

                                          Fauci was nobody and nobody cared about you one way or the other and the only reason you like the incompetent old quack is because he made faces standing behind Trump not because he knew his ass from a hole in the ground.

                                          And I agree with Mike Pence it's time to give up the idea that the election is ever going to be made fair. That train has left the station.

                                          WSS

                                          Where did I say we should wipe every trace of the confederacy of the map? Please, show me. 

                                          Go ahead, I'll wait 

                                          You're so confident I know it must be there somewhere.

                                          Go ahead

                                          I mean just take a break from you falling for the big election lie like a sucker and just find where I want to completely wipe the confederacy from this earth.

                                          Surely you're not being a hyperbolic little typical Steve, right? Surely I said that and it'll be plain to see. I definitely didn't clearly reference museums, books, etc. 

                                          So go ahead ....

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