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  • Call me crazy, but if I were a betting man (and I am), I take Pitt on a back door cover. I wouldn't put money on +6.5, but money went hard on the Bills and the line moved to +7.5 Steelers Thursday morning. I don't like them to win outright of course, but a lot of talk of "steelers suck" vs "bills may make the super bowl" to me makes this a closer game (not unlike last night, actually).

    @jrb12711 said:

    Call me crazy, but if I were a betting man (and I am), I take Pitt on a back door cover. I wouldn't put money on +6.5, but money went hard on the Bills and the line moved to +7.5 Steelers Thursday morning. I don't like them to win outright of course, but a lot of talk of "steelers suck" vs "bills may make the super bowl" to me makes this a closer game (not unlike last night, actually).

    The defensive improvement under Dan Quin alone should have been enough to chase people off a 9 point spread last night.  But folks went heavy on Tampa.  They're a great team, possibly historic in the sense of their complete talent and ability to win in all sorts of ways.

    But the Dallas roster has had talent for several years.  It has just been wildly miss-used.

  • Call me crazy, but if I were a betting man (and I am), I take Pitt on a back door cover. I wouldn't put money on +6.5, but money went hard on the Bills and the line moved to +7.5 Steelers Thursday morning. I don't like them to win outright of course, but a lot of talk of "steelers suck" vs "bills may make the super bowl" to me makes this a closer game (not unlike last night, actually).

    @jrb12711 said:

    Call me crazy, but if I were a betting man (and I am), I take Pitt on a back door cover. I wouldn't put money on +6.5, but money went hard on the Bills and the line moved to +7.5 Steelers Thursday morning. I don't like them to win outright of course, but a lot of talk of "steelers suck" vs "bills may make the super bowl" to me makes this a closer game (not unlike last night, actually).

    Brady isn't over the hill, but BB is. Give the points and take the Buffs.

  • @jrb12711 said:

    Call me crazy, but if I were a betting man (and I am), I take Pitt on a back door cover. I wouldn't put money on +6.5, but money went hard on the Bills and the line moved to +7.5 Steelers Thursday morning. I don't like them to win outright of course, but a lot of talk of "steelers suck" vs "bills may make the super bowl" to me makes this a closer game (not unlike last night, actually).

    The defensive improvement under Dan Quin alone should have been enough to chase people off a 9 point spread last night.  But folks went heavy on Tampa.  They're a great team, possibly historic in the sense of their complete talent and ability to win in all sorts of ways.

    But the Dallas roster has had talent for several years.  It has just been wildly miss-used.

    @tiamat63 said:

    The defensive improvement under Dan Quin alone should have been enough to chase people off a 9 point spread last night.  But folks went heavy on Tampa.  They're a great team, possibly historic in the sense of their complete talent and ability to win in all sorts of ways.

    But the Dallas roster has had talent for several years.  It has just been wildly miss-used.

    To me Tampa looked shaky in the secondary, too. Obviously Dallas felt that way too with Dak throwing 58 times with strong success overall. Don't disagree though overall, crazy how much talent is on that roster. AB, Godwin, and Evans could all easily be WR1 on another team (AB a weak WR1, but his route running is still elite).

    @texasag1969 said:

    Brady isn't over the hill, but BB is. Give the points and take the Buffs.

    I guess we'll see. I can't for the life of me find the source, but listening to a sports radio thing about betting they highlighted the insane amount of times games get back door covered at more than a TD OR games are won by 13+. It's a really interesting middle ground of games not being decided by 8-12 points. Again, at -6.5 I'd still be going Buffalo. But the spread even hit +8 in some cases where I'd take Pitt to get underneath (or at) at TD. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    The defensive improvement under Dan Quin alone should have been enough to chase people off a 9 point spread last night.  But folks went heavy on Tampa.  They're a great team, possibly historic in the sense of their complete talent and ability to win in all sorts of ways.

    But the Dallas roster has had talent for several years.  It has just been wildly miss-used.

    To me Tampa looked shaky in the secondary, too. Obviously Dallas felt that way too with Dak throwing 58 times with strong success overall. Don't disagree though overall, crazy how much talent is on that roster. AB, Godwin, and Evans could all easily be WR1 on another team (AB a weak WR1, but his route running is still elite).

    @texasag1969 said:

    Brady isn't over the hill, but BB is. Give the points and take the Buffs.

    I guess we'll see. I can't for the life of me find the source, but listening to a sports radio thing about betting they highlighted the insane amount of times games get back door covered at more than a TD OR games are won by 13+. It's a really interesting middle ground of games not being decided by 8-12 points. Again, at -6.5 I'd still be going Buffalo. But the spread even hit +8 in some cases where I'd take Pitt to get underneath (or at) at TD. 

    @jrb12711 said:

    To me Tampa looked shaky in the secondary, too. Obviously Dallas felt that way too with Dak throwing 58 times with strong success overall. Don't disagree though overall, crazy how much talent is on that roster. AB, Godwin, and Evans could all easily be WR1 on another team (AB a weak WR1, but his route running is still elite).

    I guess we'll see. I can't for the life of me find the source, but listening to a sports radio thing about betting they highlighted the insane amount of times games get back door covered at more than a TD OR games are won by 13+. It's a really interesting middle ground of games not being decided by 8-12 points. Again, at -6.5 I'd still be going Buffalo. But the spread even hit +8 in some cases where I'd take Pitt to get underneath (or at) at TD. 

    Agreed on the spread.  I'm good at 6.5. 

    Push at 7 and beyond? Nah, I'm alright. 

  • Call me crazy, but if I were a betting man (and I am), I take Pitt on a back door cover. I wouldn't put money on +6.5, but money went hard on the Bills and the line moved to +7.5 Steelers Thursday morning. I don't like them to win outright of course, but a lot of talk of "steelers suck" vs "bills may make the super bowl" to me makes this a closer game (not unlike last night, actually).

    @jrb12711 said:

    Call me crazy, but if I were a betting man (and I am), I take Pitt on a back door cover. I wouldn't put money on +6.5, but money went hard on the Bills and the line moved to +7.5 Steelers Thursday morning. I don't like them to win outright of course, but a lot of talk of "steelers suck" vs "bills may make the super bowl" to me makes this a closer game (not unlike last night, actually).

    Look I'm obviously a diehard but I'm not unrealistic. People are full tilt sleeping on the Steelers. Currently the offensive line is the biggest wildcard but they are hungry. Yes I know, easy for me to say but two of our rookies got into it with Heyward at practice on multiple occasions because they are going so hard. Green and Moore. If the line is just better than last year the Steelers are going to do a lot of damage. Ben looks really good and camp/practice reports are backing it up.

    Our local media likes to fry the shit out of all the local teams so it's not a matter of fake hype either. Ben looks 10 years younger from a biomechanics stand point. Now just look at the weapons on each side of the ball and try to logically arrive at how or why the steelers will be bad. Randy fichtner is also gone and he was horrific. I guess we are going to find out but people sleeping on the steelers no matter the result on Sunday are being short sighted or just assuming Ben is done. (He isn't)

  • @jrb12711 said:

    Call me crazy, but if I were a betting man (and I am), I take Pitt on a back door cover. I wouldn't put money on +6.5, but money went hard on the Bills and the line moved to +7.5 Steelers Thursday morning. I don't like them to win outright of course, but a lot of talk of "steelers suck" vs "bills may make the super bowl" to me makes this a closer game (not unlike last night, actually).

    Brady isn't over the hill, but BB is. Give the points and take the Buffs.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Brady isn't over the hill, but BB is. Give the points and take the Buffs.

    Big Ben isn't over the hill. Legit just go watch the limited time he played in the preseason, specifically the play where he scrambled in the backfield and found ebron. The defender made a good play and ebron dropped it. ?

    Everyone is also quick to forget the dude avulsed tendons from his elbow. He wasn't all the way back last season which is why they threw a ton of short stuff to compensate for the lack of a run game. He's a additional season removed from that AND he has a stud in Harris. Big Ben is going to show in a hurry he isn't over the hill. The wildcard is health over the course of the season. 

  • And to bobs previous points. TJ Watt also ignored his agents who believed he could get more money, he probably could have and he went to see Art II and said they have a deal. He did everything right with his contract negotiations as one of the best players barring none in the NFL. 

  • @jrb12711 said:

    Call me crazy, but if I were a betting man (and I am), I take Pitt on a back door cover. I wouldn't put money on +6.5, but money went hard on the Bills and the line moved to +7.5 Steelers Thursday morning. I don't like them to win outright of course, but a lot of talk of "steelers suck" vs "bills may make the super bowl" to me makes this a closer game (not unlike last night, actually).

    Look I'm obviously a diehard but I'm not unrealistic. People are full tilt sleeping on the Steelers. Currently the offensive line is the biggest wildcard but they are hungry. Yes I know, easy for me to say but two of our rookies got into it with Heyward at practice on multiple occasions because they are going so hard. Green and Moore. If the line is just better than last year the Steelers are going to do a lot of damage. Ben looks really good and camp/practice reports are backing it up.

    Our local media likes to fry the shit out of all the local teams so it's not a matter of fake hype either. Ben looks 10 years younger from a biomechanics stand point. Now just look at the weapons on each side of the ball and try to logically arrive at how or why the steelers will be bad. Randy fichtner is also gone and he was horrific. I guess we are going to find out but people sleeping on the steelers no matter the result on Sunday are being short sighted or just assuming Ben is done. (He isn't)

    @vagitron said:

    Look I'm obviously a diehard but I'm not unrealistic. People are full tilt sleeping on the Steelers. Currently the offensive line is the biggest wildcard but they are hungry. Yes I know, easy for me to say but two of our rookies got into it with Heyward at practice on multiple occasions because they are going so hard. Green and Moore. If the line is just better than last year the Steelers are going to do a lot of damage. Ben looks really good and camp/practice reports are backing it up.

    Our local media likes to fry the shit out of all the local teams so it's not a matter of fake hype either. Ben looks 10 years younger from a biomechanics stand point. Now just look at the weapons on each side of the ball and try to logically arrive at how or why the steelers will be bad. Randy fichtner is also gone and he was horrific. I guess we are going to find out but people sleeping on the steelers no matter the result on Sunday are being short sighted or just assuming Ben is done. (He isn't)

    Simply, I'll believe it when I see it with Big Ben. It's easy to look good in preseason and practice, but I can assure you teams are going to blitz the ever loving shit out of Pittsburgh this year. The man has earned his paychecks, but it sure looked like father time took his toll last year. 

    Do I think they will win more games than lose? Since the theme is betting, I'd put my money on the over .500. I just don't see it much higher than 9-8.

  • O line with 4 new guys...sorry...steelers gonna lose

  • Zombo said:

    No one upon no one is sleeping on the Steelers.

    You have a he'll of a coach and  HOF QB.

    You have a very, very good young set of receivers, a badass defense featuring two mega-stars, and you drafted your biggest need, running back.

    I have you going 10-7 and second to us in the division.

    Most folks feel that with a 38 yo no longer mobile qb and questionable offensive line, you are not a safe bet to make the finish line intact, and that is reasonable.

    You are defending division champions and will be treated as such.

    Z

    -- Even if we have already beaten you twice in 2021.

    You may not be but a lot of talking heads are and a lot of fan bases are. I put very little stock in the latter. I agree with all those points and Ben actually is in tremendous shape and not the normal training camp talking point. I honestly don't believe he will be done after this season unless he gets hurt. (Knock on wood) 

    Edit: they also won xl with a pretty rough line but a very good defense. The line in place now is very athletic, especially green who is still raw at center but absolutely insane in space and down field.

  • @vagitron said:

    Look I'm obviously a diehard but I'm not unrealistic. People are full tilt sleeping on the Steelers. Currently the offensive line is the biggest wildcard but they are hungry. Yes I know, easy for me to say but two of our rookies got into it with Heyward at practice on multiple occasions because they are going so hard. Green and Moore. If the line is just better than last year the Steelers are going to do a lot of damage. Ben looks really good and camp/practice reports are backing it up.

    Our local media likes to fry the shit out of all the local teams so it's not a matter of fake hype either. Ben looks 10 years younger from a biomechanics stand point. Now just look at the weapons on each side of the ball and try to logically arrive at how or why the steelers will be bad. Randy fichtner is also gone and he was horrific. I guess we are going to find out but people sleeping on the steelers no matter the result on Sunday are being short sighted or just assuming Ben is done. (He isn't)

    Simply, I'll believe it when I see it with Big Ben. It's easy to look good in preseason and practice, but I can assure you teams are going to blitz the ever loving shit out of Pittsburgh this year. The man has earned his paychecks, but it sure looked like father time took his toll last year. 

    Do I think they will win more games than lose? Since the theme is betting, I'd put my money on the over .500. I just don't see it much higher than 9-8.

    @jrb12711 said:

    Simply, I'll believe it when I see it with Big Ben. It's easy to look good in preseason and practice, but I can assure you teams are going to blitz the ever loving shit out of Pittsburgh this year. The man has earned his paychecks, but it sure looked like father time took his toll last year. 

    Do I think they will win more games than lose? Since the theme is betting, I'd put my money on the over .500. I just don't see it much higher than 9-8.

    I no bs expect them to contend for the division. Run down the list of offensive weapons. The scheme change is also substantial. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I don't believe a good number of Browns fans do what I do for other teams in the division. If you did you'd be singing a different tune. They won 11 straight games with so called "over the hill" Ben with zero run game and a horrible offensive coordinator. Ben is a gamer and he's in tremendous shape and his arm is full recovered. It wasn't last year. If they lose (they won't) we get a high draft pick and draft a qb. Sleep on em all you want. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    He didn't and negotiated a deal in good faith.  

    Good faith? Riding a bike at practice, while your team mates are busting their butts during training camp. Under contract & wanting more $$. That's not good faith to me, but yeah,  I'm a "Retard."

     But others have the right to tell you that you're a fucking Retard as well. 

    Who shit in your Cornflakes? Wow.

    @bob806 said:

    @tiamat63 said:

    He didn't and negotiated a deal in good faith.  

    Good faith? Riding a bike at practice, while your team mates are busting their butts during training camp. Under contract & wanting more $$. That's not good faith to me, but yeah,  I'm a "Retard."

     But others have the right to tell you that you're a fucking Retard as well. 

    Who shit in your Cornflakes? Wow.

    He's a dipshit.

  • @bob806 said:

    @tiamat63 said:

    He didn't and negotiated a deal in good faith.  

    Good faith? Riding a bike at practice, while your team mates are busting their butts during training camp. Under contract & wanting more $$. That's not good faith to me, but yeah,  I'm a "Retard."

     But others have the right to tell you that you're a fucking Retard as well. 

    Who shit in your Cornflakes? Wow.

    He's a dipshit.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    He's a dipshit.

    Bob was the one with the nutty take. 

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    He's a dipshit.

    Bob was the one with the nutty take. 

    @vagitron said:

    Bob was the one with the nutty take. 

    That's because I'm a Retard?

  • And to bobs previous points. TJ Watt also ignored his agents who believed he could get more money, he probably could have and he went to see Art II and said they have a deal. He did everything right with his contract negotiations as one of the best players barring none in the NFL. 

    @vagitron said:

    And to bobs previous points. TJ Watt also ignored his agents who believed he could get more money, he probably could have and he went to see Art II and said they have a deal. He did everything right with his contract negotiations as one of the best players barring none in the NFL. 

    Roflmao....this is what I love most about this.  Complete BS PR move.

    If it was so important...why do private camp...why wait till the last minute??  He got QB money..yeah...Im sure he overruled his agent lol.  

    I have oceanfront condos to sell in N Dakota..wanna buy one?

  • Steeler week 1 preview...

    Ben gets under center...the Oline collapses and he is sacked.

    Ben goes shotgun the rest of the game...running for his life. No passes longer than 10yds...10 rushes 70 passes by games end.

  • @vagitron said:

    And to bobs previous points. TJ Watt also ignored his agents who believed he could get more money, he probably could have and he went to see Art II and said they have a deal. He did everything right with his contract negotiations as one of the best players barring none in the NFL. 

    Roflmao....this is what I love most about this.  Complete BS PR move.

    If it was so important...why do private camp...why wait till the last minute??  He got QB money..yeah...Im sure he overruled his agent lol.  

    I have oceanfront condos to sell in N Dakota..wanna buy one?

    @kvoethe said:

    Complete BS

    Not BS.. his agents were in fact trying to hold out for even more than what he signed for.  And if he fired his agents, then those agents don't get paid.

    Reality: The agent only gets paid when the player receives a check.  When you hear of an agent getting axed, that agent is immediately cut off from any future income..

  • @vagitron said:

    Bob was the one with the nutty take. 

    That's because I'm a Retard?

    @bob806 said:

    That's because I'm a Retard?

    Bob, bobby, bob-O...   I didn't call you a Retard.  I called you a fucking Retard, because you did in fact, say something Retarded.  

    If you're going to tell the story, you gotta set scene right buddy.

  • TJ didnt get picked to be a captain...the team does that.  That right there tells you whats up.  His own teammates dont respect him.

  • TJ didnt get picked to be a captain...the team does that.  That right there tells you whats up.  His own teammates dont respect him.

    @kvoethe said:

    His own teammates dont respect him.

    Everyone on this forum doesn't respect you.

    Steelers respect TJ just fine.