Is anyone impressed with Joe Woods?.. I'm NOT!!
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Can anyone please tell me what this 4-2 defense is were running?... So far.. I'm not one bit impressed with it.. I understand we signed a bunch of new guys.. And some guys.. Rookies and such are still getting technique down and stuff... But so far.. Joe Woods has under utilized Garretts skill set as a pass rusher.. Guys like Mack Wlson and Takitaki have been just barely outside of marginal production wise.. But also... I see a too much "read and react" then just going for the guy with the ball.. I understand you have to track the ball and such.. But at what point do we play the game of football or watch people stand around giving 5-10 yard cushions and letting TE's rule the middle of the field on us.. I mean were going into game 3 and Garrett's sack total is 1.5... But getting back to the mess I see midfield where the LB'ers,TE's and backs roam... We are losing too many matchups and assignments in that area... That needs to greatly improve or Kevin Stefanski can hire another DC fast! Because I see no rhyme or reason with this shitass Defense..
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I've defended Woods a lot, because he didn't have the talent. Plain and simple.
But, he does now.
Maybe he can't start blitzing etc until the defense gells - to avoid crititical mistakes leading to quick scores.
A lot of new faces, a few rookies and "rookies"....
but if he doesn't start being aggressive soon - I think he needs an attitude adjustment you betcha.
Interesting stats for 2020:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/opp.htm
Ravens and Steelers were #1 and #7 in blitzing. Browns were 26th.
dammit.
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I've defended Woods a lot, because he didn't have the talent. Plain and simple.
But, he does now.
Maybe he can't start blitzing etc until the defense gells - to avoid crititical mistakes leading to quick scores.
A lot of new faces, a few rookies and "rookies"....
but if he doesn't start being aggressive soon - I think he needs an attitude adjustment you betcha.
Interesting stats for 2020:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/opp.htm
Ravens and Steelers were #1 and #7 in blitzing. Browns were 26th.
dammit.
I've defended Woods a lot, because he didn't have the talent. Plain and simple.
But, he does now.
Maybe he can't start blitzing etc until the defense gells - to avoid crititical mistakes leading to quick scores.
A lot of new faces, a few rookies and "rookies"....
but if he doesn't start being aggressive soon - I think he needs an attitude adjustment you betcha.
Interesting stats for 2020:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/opp.htm
Ravens and Steelers were #1 and #7 in blitzing. Browns were 26th.
dammit.
He's not even setting up Garrett for success.. This defenseve scheme blows!
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ill add this WTF is Garrett doin droping back in coverage ? also are defenders seem to be in the same spots for the entire game tyrod has having a field day against us zero imagination coming from woods I mean damnit man mix it up abit you gotta keep the qb guessing I mean fuck even the rookie mills looked like tom brady out there and if fields starts putting up numbers against us woods should be fired at games end
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We have some cover guys now that can go man to man in our secondary. So this bail cover 3 junk is a little frustrating.
I’m not a big fan of the bend don’t break principles either- especially when the team isn’t creating turnovers.
My biggest complaint…I saw a team last Sunday that needed a jolt (bring an extra pass rusher) and that didn’t happen until the second half and low and behold it worked we pressured with a safety and an inside corner on another play.
If the front four is getting to the QB that’s great/ideal but when you can’t and you give up 14 points in 20 plays - it’s time to bring an extra guy or two. The average/below average QBs are too good to give 5/6 seconds
You could defend Joe last year…you can’t this year
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are defense is so predictable
Our.. not are.. LOL But I agree... This prevent rubber band shit was never intended to be a base defense.. it was created just to run out out the last couple minutes of game clock and your up by an insurmountable score...
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Our.. not are.. LOL But I agree... This prevent rubber band shit was never intended to be a base defense.. it was created just to run out out the last couple minutes of game clock and your up by an insurmountable score...
also i could have sworn i read that we would be a attacking style of defense and not to worry about mistakes so we could create turnovers
what happend to that woods ?
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Our.. not are.. LOL But I agree... This prevent rubber band shit was never intended to be a base defense.. it was created just to run out out the last couple minutes of game clock and your up by an insurmountable score...
also i could have sworn i read that we would be a attacking style of defense and not to worry about mistakes so we could create turnovers
what happend to that woods ?
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I’m pleased with the run defense so far. It’s only 2 games but it’s looking better than it has in years past. All l can figure with the pass defense is there’s still some kinks getting unkinked.
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What's wrong? Don't you recognize the 4-2-sieve pass defense?
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What's wrong? Don't you recognize the 4-2-sieve pass defense?
What's wrong? Don't you recognize the 4-2-sieve pass defense?
yes.. it sucks too..
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Our.. not are.. LOL But I agree... This prevent rubber band shit was never intended to be a base defense.. it was created just to run out out the last couple minutes of game clock and your up by an insurmountable score...
also i could have sworn i read that we would be a attacking style of defense and not to worry about mistakes so we could create turnovers
what happend to that woods ?
also i could have sworn i read that we would be a attacking style of defense and not to worry about mistakes so we could create turnovers
I recall that. Hasn't really been the case yet this year. We'll see if something happens this week against a new QB.
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I've defended Woods a lot, because he didn't have the talent. Plain and simple.
But, he does now.
Maybe he can't start blitzing etc until the defense gells - to avoid crititical mistakes leading to quick scores.
A lot of new faces, a few rookies and "rookies"....
but if he doesn't start being aggressive soon - I think he needs an attitude adjustment you betcha.
Interesting stats for 2020:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/opp.htm
Ravens and Steelers were #1 and #7 in blitzing. Browns were 26th.
dammit.
I've defended Woods a lot, because he didn't have the talent. Plain and simple.
But, he does now.
Does now is still "on paper", but he's the guy most responsible for seeing thar paper translate to tthe field, so yeah.... there with you now.
Maybe OHIO teams are not supposed to have good DCs?
I did find the Delpit blitz encouragingish....
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Couple weeks ago I took the time to break down the bomb to Tyreek Hill. Watched the film, broke-down the coverage, the responsibilities, only thing I didn't bother touched were the run/gap fits because they weren't relevant to the point I was making. I did all this to see if what I watched live and absorbed in real time was supported by going back and combing for further detail.
Nuance... It's a hell of word. In my search, I found my initial observation to be spot on. It was a freaky play.
I did the same with the Browns pass rush when watching the All-22. Were they as below average as I had the "feeling"...? Turns out, after viewing both games, my feeling was incorrect. The pass rush was well above average and just unfortunate running into QB's that have the athletic ability to help mitigate or overcome the effects our Dline had been putting in. Pressure rates tend to eventually produce compound effects on a QB. Either with errant throws, questionable decisions or turnovers. Rarely, if ever, does a team show little pressure rate then somehow produce turnovers. I mentioned this in the Browns-HOU thread and how the Browns are a breath away from 2-0 and +2, +3 turnover margin. I would think, after some years on this board, that I could be taken at my word on what/who I have and have not watched and that my evaluations tend to be both unbias and accurate. Not saying I haven't been wrong, but I've gotten on base WAY more than I've struck out.
I'm not a "fan" of Joe Woods. But his designs held KC to 10 points in the first half, AT THEIR HOUSE. A design Baltimore happily attempted to duplicate only to pull it off by the skin of their teeth at home. Then, in the complete dismissal of a Texans squad with some decent talent (Tyrod, Cooks, Conley, Lindsay, Amendola, Miller, Tunsil) Browns fans have shifted into almost complete arrogance over the course of the 2018-2019 off-season that we should be blowing out these teams. Winning by 10 against a team like Houston is a fine dub by any stretch, be it home or away. However, I understand Woods gameplans and the coverage structure in them to a significant degree.
I see calls for blitzing but not realizing that when this team was blitz happy, our pressure and sack rate didn't rise commensurately with it. Quite the opposite, our total of explosive plays given up rose. Supporting the idea that blitzing doesn't necessarily = success. One of the problems with Gregg Williams ultra aggressive scheme - predictability as well. The man would send additional rushers and get himself into trouble because, like Texas Hold 'Em, when you're rigid to only one strategy no matter what it is, that strategy can be exploited. Another thing I see failed to address, blitzing young QB's tends to actually make their reads THAT much easier The Belicheck approach of pressure early to create ghosts is one I'm a fan of, but I see no mention of that here.
I see "scheme" tossed around a bit. With NOBODY, save for maybe @sdbacker80, attempting or capable of digesting it further.
Granted, it's at the most basic of levels with very generalized terminology... but at minimum it's a fucking attempt from him.
So you know what bothers me about this thread? The lack of effort, more than anything really. The lack of appreciation for detail and explanation. Or maybe the lack of football I.Q? But this is why, in a nutshell, you see me respond so infrequently on this board. A lot of what is said on here lacks substance and is just really a bunch of bitching.
But if you guys want to talk "scheme" live and maybe not type it out so much, don't forget we have a Browns Board discord that will be live sunday. Would love to hear your guys' thoughts as the game is played.
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I'll just drop this in here...
https://www.footballdb.com/stats/teamstat.html?group=D&cat=T Woods defense sit's at #14 overall, going into game 3..? (Bengals lead AFCN, by a bunch) a click of the top stat line? will rearrange the teams rankings ^^
youth playing..only returning starters Ward & Garrett & Harrison (some).. Jacob Phillips (speed) out 2 games/ Starting Mike backer played half of one..
@gumby73 said:
get out this lazy zone defense..if he dies..he dies
nope...not a fan of bend & break zone coverage.. but we are not the only team struggling in pass coverage early
we have the Bears & Vikings to get better next... LAC/Zona/Denver/Pitt next 4 ?... we better get better ? & stay healthy ?
Edit-- believe this.. Wood's practice's include press coverage against some of the best wide outs/TE's in the game
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