Baker and OBJ
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Baker is just a different QB when OBJ is out there. I'm not saying Baker sucks, or I don't like him, which I haven't said. I haven't mentioned anything about Bakers accuracy. He holds on to the ball and is indecisive when OBJ is out there. Like his reads are off, or looking for OBJ right away.
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Baker is just a different QB when OBJ is out there. I'm not saying Baker sucks, or I don't like him, which I haven't said. I haven't mentioned anything about Bakers accuracy. He holds on to the ball and is indecisive when OBJ is out there. Like his reads are off, or looking for OBJ right away.
Baker is just a different QB when OBJ is out there. I'm not saying Baker sucks, or I don't like him, which I haven't said. I haven't mentioned anything about Bakers accuracy. He holds on to the ball and is indecisive when OBJ is out there. Like his reads are off, or looking for OBJ right away.
"Like" his reads are off? Or are they off?
Here, I'll help. Take 30 minutes, start at page 8, post #6 on this thread. Unsympathetic's link. Watch it, it's solid work.
Then start at my work explaining how Baker missed long ball touchdown shots because he miss-read AND ignored OBJ. That starts at post #11 on the same page.
The coverages and routes are broken down color wise by me. Hopefully you aren't blind anywhere on the color spectrum.
Edit. 90% of Bakers problem yesterday WAS his accuracy and ball placement. I mentioned early on in the game thread how Minnesota was overplaying positive breaks by receivers. That trend will continue against the Bolts unless our QB can connect on the perimeter and outside numbers with consistency.
... or if the Chargers back 7 is that bad.
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Not a coincidence, well one because I don't believe in them. Baker had mvp type stats once OBJ goes out last year. First two games this season, baker 80% completion, decisive in the pocket. OBJ cones back, Baker holding on to the ball, not as crisp, and undecisive. He's better without OBJ.
Not a coincidence, well one because I don't believe in them. Baker had mvp type stats once OBJ goes out last year. First two games this season, baker 80% completion, decisive in the pocket. OBJ cones back, Baker holding on to the ball, not as crisp, and undecisive. He's better without OBJ.
More importantly, how is a coincidence something that someone does or does not believe in? It’s just a word with a definition describing an uncanny set circumstances.
That’s like me saying l don’t believe in muffins.
Would you like a muffin?
No, l don’t believe in those. But l’ll take one of those unnamed circular shaped sweetened bread products.
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There's a reason why Baker has a QB rating of 96.9, 2171 passing yard, 11 TD's and 1 pick last year when OBJ was out.
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There's a reason why Baker has a QB rating of 96.9, 2171 passing yard, 11 TD's and 1 pick last year when OBJ was out.
There's a reason why Baker has a QB rating of 96.9, 2171 passing yard, 11 TD's and 1 pick last year when OBJ was out.
QBR is a pretty poor metric when broken down.
You asked for some evidence to disprove your notion, despite you making the claim. I've provided that. The least you can do is digest it and come back with a thought-out response.
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Tia, you've proved your point. Like so many arguments this year, the person who clearly has substantial evidence on their side is trying to be drowned out by someone who "feels" a certain way instead. It sucks, but it's not even worth engaging further. I'm assuming they did their own research, though.
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Tia, you've proved your point. Like so many arguments this year, the person who clearly has substantial evidence on their side is trying to be drowned out by someone who "feels" a certain way instead. It sucks, but it's not even worth engaging further. I'm assuming they did their own research, though.
Tia, you've proved your point. Like so many arguments this year, the person who clearly has substantial evidence on their side is trying to be drowned out by someone who "feels" a certain way instead. It sucks, but it's not even worth engaging further. I'm assuming they did their own research, though.
You're assuming too much.
Baker and OBJ haven't been playing together consistently, due to the injuries of the later, hence they don't have chemistry. But yesterday it was all on Baker, who missed everyone in the second half.
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Tia, you've proved your point. Like so many arguments this year, the person who clearly has substantial evidence on their side is trying to be drowned out by someone who "feels" a certain way instead. It sucks, but it's not even worth engaging further. I'm assuming they did their own research, though.
You're assuming too much.
Baker and OBJ haven't been playing together consistently, due to the injuries of the later, hence they don't have chemistry. But yesterday it was all on Baker, who missed everyone in the second half.
You're assuming too much.
Baker and OBJ haven't been playing together consistently, due to the injuries of the later, hence they don't have chemistry. But yesterday it was all on Baker, who missed everyone in the second half.
I believe JRB is agreeing with your assessment here, not disagreeing.
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You're assuming too much.
Baker and OBJ haven't been playing together consistently, due to the injuries of the later, hence they don't have chemistry. But yesterday it was all on Baker, who missed everyone in the second half.
I believe JRB is agreeing with your assessment here, not disagreeing.
I believe JRB is agreeing with your assessment here, not disagreeing.
He is, but he is also assuming that those who simply fart out that "Baker is better off without OBJ" did their own research. Which I find to be questionable to say the least.
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He is, but he is also assuming that those who simply fart out that "Baker is better off without OBJ" did their own research. Which I find to be questionable to say the least.
While it may be true at the face value of a stat line, the further dive leads us the opposite direction. So at that point we come to a cross-roads on agreeing just where the line of reality is drawn.
Baker performed better without Odell. He also faced some questionable defenses, adjusted route combinations, rode the Chubb-Hunt train and Baker forced himself to play better within the structure of the offense. Not trying to create on his own without necessity.
He is about as "protected" as an NFL QB gets. Between the Oline, the running game, receivers and offensive design.
Then towards the later parts of the season - Ravens and chiefs, we saw just how valuable a player like Odell would have been to some degree. Even if Baker doesn't hit him. Which, IMHO, is like having a Ferrari but only being able to drive it during rush how. Baker has to get the ball to our WR's ...at EVERY level of the field.
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There's a reason why Baker has a QB rating of 96.9, 2171 passing yard, 11 TD's and 1 pick last year when OBJ was out.
There's a reason why Baker has a QB rating of 96.9, 2171 passing yard, 11 TD's and 1 pick last year when OBJ was out.
its a baker mayfield problem not an OBJ problem.
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He is, but he is also assuming that those who simply fart out that "Baker is better off without OBJ" did their own research. Which I find to be questionable to say the least.
To be sure, I meant that extremely sarcastically a la the world around us.
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Articulate how this is a stupid ass thread. I can go through each game with and without OBJ, and there is a drastic difference in Baker's performance. I mean if you can explain the night and day difference of Baker, be my guest.
Articulate how this is a stupid ass thread. I can go through each game with and without OBJ, and there is a drastic difference in Baker's performance. I mean if you can explain the night and day difference of Baker, be my guest.
pay no attention to that man behind the curtain....he's a fucking moron.....and he should be deleted from this board....
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Articulate how this is a stupid ass thread. I can go through each game with and without OBJ, and there is a drastic difference in Baker's performance. I mean if you can explain the night and day difference of Baker, be my guest.
pay no attention to that man behind the curtain....he's a fucking moron.....and he should be deleted from this board....
pay no attention to that man behind the curtain....he's a fucking moron.....and he should be deleted from this board....
Nah, he's entitled to his opinion, even if it's wrong. Others have said the same. Thinking Baker suddenly turns into a Halloween pumpkin just because OBJ is on the field is a gross oversimplification.
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How many games have we lost when Baker/OBJ are both playing?
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How many games have we lost when Baker/OBJ are both playing?
FWIW...
its a baker mayfield problem not an OBJ problem.
agreed! Baker targeted 9 different receivers Sunday..Higgins & OBJ both saw 7 to lead team.. Like Baker, we miss not seeing Landry in those huddles on Sunday's
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I think we can all agree with gumby that the One True Problem with this offense has always been Landry.
It's almost never true that a person is a problem. It actually shows that the person/account/sockpuppet doing the asserting of a "person" being a problem is themselves not interested in diving deep enough to discover the actual problem for any of a number of reasons. Are they too lazy? Do they already have the solution in mind and are working backwards to support their conclusion?
In order to determine a solution, first we have to agree on what the problem is that we're trying to solve ---- and in EVERY SINGLE ONE of these stupid OBJ/Baker threads, "the issue" is ever-changing.. much like trying to pin jello to a wall.
*Why are we certain we've reached the root cause? Have you asked the reason "why" to drive to root cause enough?
[EX: Why does Baker lock in? Because of pressure. So.. Why is there pressure? Because of Wills' sprained ankle. So.. Why is Wills still playing when he has a sprained ankle? See how we got to the "root" cause being Wills in this line of thinking? That's not the only potential root.]
*What are all the potential root causes that have been identified?
Next, data.
*What's the data to include? How do we know we're looking at everything? Is there anything more that could be included?
*How many people have you talked to so that you can be sure you're including all the possible ways to look at that data?
*what are ALL the possible ways that data can be analyzed? This does, in fact, ask the methodology to use.
Note that we still haven't even proposed a solution. Still analyzing.
Now that we've done ALL of this, ONLY NOW do we even start trying to combine data with those potential root causes... And this is done so that your data addresses and solves the ACTUAL underlying problem. It should not shock anyone that the tendency of People Who Think They're Smart to jump right to the solution because They Just Know is... More often than not simply wrong.
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