Baker and OBJ
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There are more positions on the field QB and WR,,,
Our OL is not living up to its billing and a buzz saw awaits us in LAC...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
There are more positions on the field QB and WR,,,
Our OL is not living up to its billing and a buzz saw awaits us in LAC...
There are more positions on the field QB and WR,,,
Our OL is not living up to its billing and a buzz saw awaits us in LAC...
This is what I was going to write about, good call Tour. If you remember Baker's 2nd year, he wasn't as good. Partially because of the long routes Kitchens favored, but also because he got sacked a million times. I'm wondering if Baker is simply rattled?
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LoOk gUyS i PlAy mAdDeN. AND I CAN TELL YOU OBJ IS BALLIN IN MADDEN SO ITS BAKER'S FAULT AND REAL OBJS FAULT. THEY SHOULD PERFORM MORE LIKE THEIR STATISTICAL APPROXIMATIONS.
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LoOk gUyS i PlAy mAdDeN. AND I CAN TELL YOU OBJ IS BALLIN IN MADDEN SO ITS BAKER'S FAULT AND REAL OBJS FAULT. THEY SHOULD PERFORM MORE LIKE THEIR STATISTICAL APPROXIMATIONS.
LoOk gUyS i PlAy mAdDeN. AND I CAN TELL YOU OBJ IS BALLIN IN MADDEN SO ITS BAKER'S FAULT AND REAL OBJS FAULT. THEY SHOULD PERFORM MORE LIKE THEIR STATISTICAL APPROXIMATIONS.
ANd I won a SB starting JFF so there!
If you remember Baker's 2nd year, he wasn't as good. Partially because of the long routes
So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
LoOk gUyS i PlAy mAdDeN. AND I CAN TELL YOU OBJ IS BALLIN IN MADDEN SO ITS BAKER'S FAULT AND REAL OBJS FAULT. THEY SHOULD PERFORM MORE LIKE THEIR STATISTICAL APPROXIMATIONS.
ANd I won a SB starting JFF so there!
If you remember Baker's 2nd year, he wasn't as good. Partially because of the long routes
So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.
ANd I won a SB starting JFF so there!
So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.
Praying the deluge of sarcasm was comprehended, Tour.
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Praying the deluge of sarcasm was comprehended, Tour.
Back at ya GG...
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Everyone here has a excellent view/point/opinion/facts that support their beliefs. The thought Baker was better off without OBJ crept into my head past year, but I really didn't over analyze it. But after the first 2 games this year without OBJ and 2 games with him, there is a difference in Baker's play when OBJ is out there. I don't have a clue as to what causes it, I'll admit to that, I just notice a unsure/indecisive Baker. I'm. It saying get rid of Baker, he sucks, just a observation he is a different QB with OBJ.
It's called OBJ yappin in Bakers ear.. And Baker trying to appease his friend more or less...
It's called OBJ yappin in Bakers ear.. And Baker trying to appease his friend more or less...
Oh good, before you became a crippled I wondered if there was an outside shot you had played football at any level. Now I know you haven't.
Edit: To flesh out my point. Offensive players, skill players mostly, always "yap" in each others ears after drives. Especially drives that stall out. Who got their assignment? What coverage did they draw? Brackets, pressures, rotations, depths, alignments, man-match, zone pass-offs, what they might do if they get certain looks... anything you can think of.
You'd know that if you had played a down of real ball. Save the snide comments.
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LoOk gUyS i PlAy mAdDeN. AND I CAN TELL YOU OBJ IS BALLIN IN MADDEN SO ITS BAKER'S FAULT AND REAL OBJS FAULT. THEY SHOULD PERFORM MORE LIKE THEIR STATISTICAL APPROXIMATIONS.
ANd I won a SB starting JFF so there!
If you remember Baker's 2nd year, he wasn't as good. Partially because of the long routes
So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.
So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.
and here's what i don't think the OBJ media gets that's a true factor in this...
1) Odel got here in 2019.. Kitchens was the play caller & HC...It's the only year on the books that Odell & Landry both played in 15 games..
2) 2020..Enter Stef.. Landry plays 15 games.. Odell only plays 7 games.. (-- 8 games)
3)2021... Landry with OBJ = Zero Games played
Stef vs Kitchens coaching ? Verse both playing? sorry, but I'm not seeing the debate here with only 7 games played when both are on the field.
Landry's YAC is a missing tangible that we have really missed in 2 games..
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It's called OBJ yappin in Bakers ear.. And Baker trying to appease his friend more or less...
Oh good, before you became a crippled I wondered if there was an outside shot you had played football at any level. Now I know you haven't.
Edit: To flesh out my point. Offensive players, skill players mostly, always "yap" in each others ears after drives. Especially drives that stall out. Who got their assignment? What coverage did they draw? Brackets, pressures, rotations, depths, alignments, man-match, zone pass-offs, what they might do if they get certain looks... anything you can think of.
You'd know that if you had played a down of real ball. Save the snide comments.
Oh good, before you became a crippled I wondered if there was an outside shot you had played football at any level. Now I know you haven't.
Edit: To flesh out my point. Offensive players, skill players mostly, always "yap" in each others ears after drives. Especially drives that stall out. Who got their assignment? What coverage did they draw? Brackets, pressures, rotations, depths, alignments, man-match, zone pass-offs, what they might do if they get certain looks... anything you can think of.
You'd know that if you had played a down of real ball. Save the snide comments.
Shut up you over bloated idiot.. You know nothing about me you asshole!.. I played little league ball... Shows how much you know.. which is absolute ZERO!
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Oh good, before you became a crippled I wondered if there was an outside shot you had played football at any level. Now I know you haven't.
Edit: To flesh out my point. Offensive players, skill players mostly, always "yap" in each others ears after drives. Especially drives that stall out. Who got their assignment? What coverage did they draw? Brackets, pressures, rotations, depths, alignments, man-match, zone pass-offs, what they might do if they get certain looks... anything you can think of.
You'd know that if you had played a down of real ball. Save the snide comments.
Shut up you over bloated idiot.. You know nothing about me you asshole!.. I played little league ball... Shows how much you know.. which is absolute ZERO!
Shut up you over bloated idiot.. You know nothing about me you asshole!.. I played little league ball... Shows how much you know.. which is absolute ZERO!
Oh man...
He did not actually come back with "I played little league ball", did he?
Wow.
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Oh man...
He did not actually come back with "I played little league ball", did he?
Wow.
If that is the comeback, it's actually pretty good in an ironic way ?
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LoOk gUyS i PlAy mAdDeN. AND I CAN TELL YOU OBJ IS BALLIN IN MADDEN SO ITS BAKER'S FAULT AND REAL OBJS FAULT. THEY SHOULD PERFORM MORE LIKE THEIR STATISTICAL APPROXIMATIONS.
ANd I won a SB starting JFF so there!
If you remember Baker's 2nd year, he wasn't as good. Partially because of the long routes
So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.
So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.
What I can't understand is why a guy who's historically accurate can't hit an open WR. I can live with the sacks, a little, if the REWARD was occasionally there, ya know? That's what I can't wrap my head around.
For example, on that ridiculous triple-move OBJ route had in the red zone, if you remember, OBJ faked the slant, faked the dig, and then went to the corner. Baker threw the ball 10 feet out of bounds. It had nothing to do with "timing" or getting on the same page. Baker just threw it into the stratosphere.
That's what I can't explain. To be fair, that's a shitty play call that requires a pinpoint throw to an exact spot. Either your guy gets it or nobody does, but we're a HEAVY analytical team and I KNOW Stefanski realizes that play is uber low percentage. Conversely, coach expects his QB to hit the pass. So what gives?
After I painfully watched the game again, I paid particular attention to Baker. The single biggest difference I see is Baker's frantic nature. When you watch that end zone overthrow to Hunt, which cost us 7 points, you see how unhinged Baker appears. He threw the ball 100 mph and naturally it went high.
I'll end with this: one of Baker's best games came week 7 against Cincy. After a dismal 1st quarter, which basically ended with Baker throwing yet another awful pass to OBJ which lead to the blown knee, Baker was perfect. Not good, not great, PERFECT. This performance also came after the first Pittsburgh game, which was one of his WORST games. My point? Baker generally responds to a poor game and he thrives on people saying he's not good enough.
Watch for the short passing game to our RBs and TEs to set up our running game, and then watch for the deep shot after we cross midfield. Just have to hit it.
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Oh man...
He did not actually come back with "I played little league ball", did he?
Wow.
If that is the comeback, it's actually pretty good in an ironic way ?
If that is the comeback, it's actually pretty good in an ironic way ?
Its the truth and I have friends , teamates and family who can corroborate it , dip shit... I played DE for Nebraska of the Willoughby-South Little league in the mid 70's.. So take your BS and jammit up yer chute.. Mr. Know it all...!
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
There are more positions on the field QB and WR,,,
Our OL is not living up to its billing and a buzz saw awaits us in LAC...
There are more positions on the field QB and WR,,,
Our OL is not living up to its billing and a buzz saw awaits us in LAC...
You mean Bosa awaits us in LaLa land? We gonna run, run, and run some more...
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If that is the comeback, it's actually pretty good in an ironic way ?
Its the truth and I have friends , teamates and family who can corroborate it , dip shit... I played DE for Nebraska of the Willoughby-South Little league in the mid 70's.. So take your BS and jammit up yer chute.. Mr. Know it all...!
Its the truth and I have friends , teamates and family who can corroborate it , dip shit... I played DE for Nebraska of the Willoughby-South Little league in the mid 70's.. So take your BS and jammit up yer chute.. Mr. Know it all...!
Oh no, I believed you. That much was never in doubt here.
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Its the truth and I have friends , teamates and family who can corroborate it , dip shit... I played DE for Nebraska of the Willoughby-South Little league in the mid 70's.. So take your BS and jammit up yer chute.. Mr. Know it all...!
Oh no, I believed you. That much was never in doubt here.
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So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.
What I can't understand is why a guy who's historically accurate can't hit an open WR. I can live with the sacks, a little, if the REWARD was occasionally there, ya know? That's what I can't wrap my head around.
For example, on that ridiculous triple-move OBJ route had in the red zone, if you remember, OBJ faked the slant, faked the dig, and then went to the corner. Baker threw the ball 10 feet out of bounds. It had nothing to do with "timing" or getting on the same page. Baker just threw it into the stratosphere.
That's what I can't explain. To be fair, that's a shitty play call that requires a pinpoint throw to an exact spot. Either your guy gets it or nobody does, but we're a HEAVY analytical team and I KNOW Stefanski realizes that play is uber low percentage. Conversely, coach expects his QB to hit the pass. So what gives?
After I painfully watched the game again, I paid particular attention to Baker. The single biggest difference I see is Baker's frantic nature. When you watch that end zone overthrow to Hunt, which cost us 7 points, you see how unhinged Baker appears. He threw the ball 100 mph and naturally it went high.
I'll end with this: one of Baker's best games came week 7 against Cincy. After a dismal 1st quarter, which basically ended with Baker throwing yet another awful pass to OBJ which lead to the blown knee, Baker was perfect. Not good, not great, PERFECT. This performance also came after the first Pittsburgh game, which was one of his WORST games. My point? Baker generally responds to a poor game and he thrives on people saying he's not good enough.
Watch for the short passing game to our RBs and TEs to set up our running game, and then watch for the deep shot after we cross midfield. Just have to hit it.
What I can't understand is why a guy who's historically accurate can't hit an open WR. I can live with the sacks, a little, if the REWARD was occasionally there, ya know? That's what I can't wrap my head around.
For example, on that ridiculous triple-move OBJ route had in the red zone, if you remember, OBJ faked the slant, faked the dig, and then went to the corner. Baker threw the ball 10 feet out of bounds. It had nothing to do with "timing" or getting on the same page. Baker just threw it into the stratosphere.
That's what I can't explain. To be fair, that's a shitty play call that requires a pinpoint throw to an exact spot. Either your guy gets it or nobody does, but we're a HEAVY analytical team and I KNOW Stefanski realizes that play is uber low percentage. Conversely, coach expects his QB to hit the pass. So what gives?
After I painfully watched the game again, I paid particular attention to Baker. The single biggest difference I see is Baker's frantic nature. When you watch that end zone overthrow to Hunt, which cost us 7 points, you see how unhinged Baker appears. He threw the ball 100 mph and naturally it went high.
I'll end with this: one of Baker's best games came week 7 against Cincy. After a dismal 1st quarter, which basically ended with Baker throwing yet another awful pass to OBJ which lead to the blown knee, Baker was perfect. Not good, not great, PERFECT. This performance also came after the first Pittsburgh game, which was one of his WORST games. My point? Baker generally responds to a poor game and he thrives on people saying he's not good enough.
Watch for the short passing game to our RBs and TEs to set up our running game, and then watch for the deep shot after we cross midfield. Just have to hit it.
It's now official that Baker has a bum shoulder in his non throwing arm. That's one factor. As the guys in Red Zone pointed out on Monday- he's overcompensating by trying to rifle the ball- and his accuracy is going to hell.
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So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.
What I can't understand is why a guy who's historically accurate can't hit an open WR. I can live with the sacks, a little, if the REWARD was occasionally there, ya know? That's what I can't wrap my head around.
For example, on that ridiculous triple-move OBJ route had in the red zone, if you remember, OBJ faked the slant, faked the dig, and then went to the corner. Baker threw the ball 10 feet out of bounds. It had nothing to do with "timing" or getting on the same page. Baker just threw it into the stratosphere.
That's what I can't explain. To be fair, that's a shitty play call that requires a pinpoint throw to an exact spot. Either your guy gets it or nobody does, but we're a HEAVY analytical team and I KNOW Stefanski realizes that play is uber low percentage. Conversely, coach expects his QB to hit the pass. So what gives?
After I painfully watched the game again, I paid particular attention to Baker. The single biggest difference I see is Baker's frantic nature. When you watch that end zone overthrow to Hunt, which cost us 7 points, you see how unhinged Baker appears. He threw the ball 100 mph and naturally it went high.
I'll end with this: one of Baker's best games came week 7 against Cincy. After a dismal 1st quarter, which basically ended with Baker throwing yet another awful pass to OBJ which lead to the blown knee, Baker was perfect. Not good, not great, PERFECT. This performance also came after the first Pittsburgh game, which was one of his WORST games. My point? Baker generally responds to a poor game and he thrives on people saying he's not good enough.
Watch for the short passing game to our RBs and TEs to set up our running game, and then watch for the deep shot after we cross midfield. Just have to hit it.
What I can't understand is why a guy who's historically accurate can't hit an open WR.
I would hardly call Baker "historically" accurate.
If you're basing accuracy off completion percentage, then you're doing it wrong.
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What I can't understand is why a guy who's historically accurate can't hit an open WR.
I would hardly call Baker "historically" accurate.
If you're basing accuracy off completion percentage, then you're doing it wrong.
I would hardly call Baker "historically" accurate.
If you're basing accuracy off completion percentage, then you're doing it wrong.
Eh, I'm not sure saying he's inaccurate is right either. The nerds coming up with new methodologies, for example, actually have Baker looking really strong with the so called "expected completion" models" https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/quarterback-accuracy-expected-on-target-percentage-baker-mayfield-russell-wilson/
I'm not calling Mayfield Drew Brees, but he's been pretty on target most of his career.
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