This is ALL Stefanski's Fault. The Offense is what it is because of HIM
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last night Arizona lost. Murry was limping at the end of the game. I suppose the op author wants an exciting run and shoot offense?
Arizona last night had a 5 wr set. The Browns only have two wr's healthy (Higgins and Schwartz. And both their tackles have been banged up. Now Hance is questionable.
How anybody feels that the Browns can run a dynamic passing offense is .....ridiculous.
Somebody needs a mug of ice cold root beer....
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Zombo said:
I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.
Z
Lol yes.
Of course Stefanski can be criticized.
The crazy thing is from 2008-2017, it was dismal, the board was dominated by bitching and searching for a QB, and endless other draft talk from October until the next pre season. Now we finally have a team to be proud of (mostly) and some fans still can't help themselves. Crazy.
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Great pedal.
...ya know, I don't use mine much. It's there, on both pedal boards...and we do White Room...but the other guitar player uses His wah...so...
Just because this coach brought a level-headed, professional demeanor to the organization that coincided with a couple winning seasons you guys want to put him in the god-tier level of coaching
Yup! That's all it takes...after two decades of horror shows...we get a coach that wins coach of the year and we're happy. Silly us.
Let me edit and add: Nobody is going to like everything any coach does. But I think Stef is playing to a strength of the team, the run, with two great RB's and a good run blocking OL ala Bill Callahan. And there are those who don't think that Baker is reliable as the 'carry the team on his back' type QB. Stef tries to keep him from having to be in that role. Perhaps for good reason.
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I think it’s fair to be critical of the team this year. It’s kind of been a mess. We are 4-3 but it’s not a strong 4-3. We win ugly. That’s how Stefanski rolls. No style points. Not many big plays. And the defense is Jekyll and Hyde.
before the year started, by week 8, I would figure the browns could’ve proven by now they are the best roster in the AFCN.
it hasn’t happened. It is what it is.
I really wish baker wouldn’t of tried to attempt that stupid tackle during the Houston game. I was there and there were so many times when I’m yelling at baker “what are you doing”. He seems to play hot and cold and I expect nothing less this Sunday Vs Pittsburgh.
please protect baker this Sunday Kevin. Please. No 7 step drops please
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I think it’s fair to be critical of the team this year. It’s kind of been a mess. We are 4-3 but it’s not a strong 4-3. We win ugly. That’s how Stefanski rolls. No style points. Not many big plays. And the defense is Jekyll and Hyde.
before the year started, by week 8, I would figure the browns could’ve proven by now they are the best roster in the AFCN.
it hasn’t happened. It is what it is.
I really wish baker wouldn’t of tried to attempt that stupid tackle during the Houston game. I was there and there were so many times when I’m yelling at baker “what are you doing”. He seems to play hot and cold and I expect nothing less this Sunday Vs Pittsburgh.
please protect baker this Sunday Kevin. Please. No 7 step drops please
I think it’s fair to be critical of the team this year. It’s kind of been a mess. We are 4-3 but it’s not a strong 4-3. We win ugly. That’s how Stefanski rolls. No style points. Not many big plays. And the defense is Jekyll and Hyde.
before the year started, by week 8, I would figure the browns could’ve proven by now they are the best roster in the AFCN.
it hasn’t happened. It is what it is.
some small Nuggets to consider?
1) Cleveland Browns 49 at Dallas Cowboys 38 on *October 4th, 2020*
2) BEREA — Not only is quarterback Baker Mayfield back in the starting lineup after missing his first game in the NFL, he’ll be joined by receivers Odell Beckham Jr.(?'able wk.8) and Jarvis Landry and running back Nick Chubb. The foursome hasn’t played a game together this year, and not since Chubb was injured against Dallas on Oct. 4, 2020.
3) LT Jed Wills struggles with Ankle.. 2.5 games +plus... RT Conklin in & out, missing 1 Game... Considering, K.Hunt will now be the 5th piece missing, in just over a year..admitting, We've been somewhat lucky, with only 3 roster'd TE's still staying mostly healthy
not intended as excuses..
but, We have not been the health'est offensive unit with all our baller's on the train rails..It is the NFL.. but, Which teams have dealt with something like this? and still beats Denver!
No! I never realized this nugget #2, has lasted this long
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Just because this coach brought a level-headed, professional demeanor to the organization that coincided with a couple winning seasons you guys want to put him in the god-tier level of coaching exempt from any criticism. He's far from it. Look at that 3rd and 10 draw play. Straight Retarded. He just can't call a game. Run, run, pass, over and over and over and over again. Opposing teams know it too.
Hand over the F'ing offensive reins to Alex Van Pelt and let him call games like he did last year when Stefanki was sitting home in his basement watching the Browns RUN the score up on the Steelers in the WC round in last year's playoffs.
Just because this coach brought a level-headed, professional demeanor to the organization that coincided with a couple winning seasons you guys want to put him in the god-tier level of coaching exempt from any criticism. He's far from it. Look at that 3rd and 10 draw play. Straight Retarded. He just can't call a game. Run, run, pass, over and over and over and over again. Opposing teams know it too.
Hand over the F'ing offensive reins to Alex Van Pelt and let him call games like he did last year when Stefanki was sitting home in his basement watching the Browns RUN the score up on the Steelers in the WC round in last year's playoffs.
he doesn't trust his QB. you keep baker from losing the game. you spread it out and let baker throw 40+ times he will turn it over 3 times.
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I think it’s fair to be critical of the team this year. It’s kind of been a mess. We are 4-3 but it’s not a strong 4-3. We win ugly. That’s how Stefanski rolls. No style points. Not many big plays. And the defense is Jekyll and Hyde.
before the year started, by week 8, I would figure the browns could’ve proven by now they are the best roster in the AFCN.
it hasn’t happened. It is what it is.
I really wish baker wouldn’t of tried to attempt that stupid tackle during the Houston game. I was there and there were so many times when I’m yelling at baker “what are you doing”. He seems to play hot and cold and I expect nothing less this Sunday Vs Pittsburgh.
please protect baker this Sunday Kevin. Please. No 7 step drops please
I think it’s fair to be critical of the team this year. It’s kind of been a mess. We are 4-3 but it’s not a strong 4-3. We win ugly. That’s how Stefanski rolls. No style points. Not many big plays. And the defense is Jekyll and Hyde.
before the year started, by week 8, I would figure the browns could’ve proven by now they are the best roster in the AFCN.
it hasn’t happened. It is what it is.
I really wish baker wouldn’t of tried to attempt that stupid tackle during the Houston game. I was there and there were so many times when I’m yelling at baker “what are you doing”. He seems to play hot and cold and I expect nothing less this Sunday Vs Pittsburgh.
please protect baker this Sunday Kevin. Please. No 7 step drops please
the browns are going to have to adjust. their passing game is made for big plays and was last year. Teams have adjusted having 2 deep safety's and giving up a bit in the run game. the browns will need to adjust to get some intermediate passes because the defenses have tried to take away deep passes and short passes while giving up a little in the run game because it is making the browns have long drives and less points scored overall.
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I think there's a give and take with coach's offensive philosophy, and there is at least SOME validity to the poster's point. I asked a Browns podcast personality yesterday if Stefanski's severely anti-interception views are hurting Baker's ability to make big time throws. It's difficult to really know, but here's what I can tell you.
Baker almost never throws the ball into the end zone. Don't believe me? Go back to all of our games and count the number of times Baker takes a shot at paydirt. He has multiple games this season with ZERO attempts. ZERO. We are not aggressively trying to score in the passing game and that's got to get figured out.
Now, the flip side to that is we don't turn it over in the red zone UNLESS we turn it over on downs, which is fast becoming our go-to move. One of the reasons we are turning it over on downs is because we aren't GETTING IT TO THE EFFING END ZONE. I trust coach to make it happen, and that TD to Stanton is a terrific example.
We aren't letting Njoku jump for it, we aren't getting OBJ opportunities from red zone extended, and we aren't attacking the middle of the field enough. When is the last time Harrison Bryant got an opportunity? Where is the bootleg to Landry? Why do our 4th downs suddenly suck and our empty formation plays aren't working? Why isn't Scarlett Johansson in my bedroom wearing nothing but a Bernie Kosar jersey and holding a feather, some lube, and a giant bag of gummi bears?
To be totally fair, we've had some scoring opportunities that we simply missed. Baker had horrible misses in the Vikings game, and if you watch film break down videos, you've seen multiple other times throughout the season where Baker had his eyes in the wrong place, ran out of time, or just refused to fire it down field. The refusing is what concerns me the most. He's not trusting his ability like he used to, and this injury certainly won't help.
No QB makes every throw and every perfect read. For example, do you guys remember that Njoku throw Keenum had last week where he lofted it perfectly while Njoku was double-covered? Well, that play began with a fake orbit motion handoff to Felton and he then kept running around the end without the ball into the flat. Absolutely NO defender went with Felton and had Keenum looked to the right and thrown it to Felton, at MINIMUM its a 30 yard gain, possibly a 60 yard TD.
So I don't know what the answer is, but the data definitely shows we have a reticence to throwing it in the end zone and we just aren't throwing enough TD passes. We've got to take some shots, if nothing else to keep the defense honest and maybe get some pass interference calls like always happen to us. Also, quit throwing it to effing Schwartz. He's not ready yet and ALWAYS quits on his route.
LFG!
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Higher rate.. of Stef calling, a high percentage Analytics red-zone play calling..Like it or Not? It's what got him here & beat in San Fran... Most windows get squeezed, including's body spacing of red-zone sidelines...
tighter packed, defensive whiskeys, packed in the Offenses jar'Oh ..
we get no Ref'ing luck on rubs nor OPI's calls either... ill-formations have got to quit.. it's a pro league
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I think there's a give and take with coach's offensive philosophy, and there is at least SOME validity to the poster's point. I asked a Browns podcast personality yesterday if Stefanski's severely anti-interception views are hurting Baker's ability to make big time throws. It's difficult to really know, but here's what I can tell you.
Baker almost never throws the ball into the end zone. Don't believe me? Go back to all of our games and count the number of times Baker takes a shot at paydirt. He has multiple games this season with ZERO attempts. ZERO. We are not aggressively trying to score in the passing game and that's got to get figured out.
Now, the flip side to that is we don't turn it over in the red zone UNLESS we turn it over on downs, which is fast becoming our go-to move. One of the reasons we are turning it over on downs is because we aren't GETTING IT TO THE EFFING END ZONE. I trust coach to make it happen, and that TD to Stanton is a terrific example.
We aren't letting Njoku jump for it, we aren't getting OBJ opportunities from red zone extended, and we aren't attacking the middle of the field enough. When is the last time Harrison Bryant got an opportunity? Where is the bootleg to Landry? Why do our 4th downs suddenly suck and our empty formation plays aren't working? Why isn't Scarlett Johansson in my bedroom wearing nothing but a Bernie Kosar jersey and holding a feather, some lube, and a giant bag of gummi bears?
To be totally fair, we've had some scoring opportunities that we simply missed. Baker had horrible misses in the Vikings game, and if you watch film break down videos, you've seen multiple other times throughout the season where Baker had his eyes in the wrong place, ran out of time, or just refused to fire it down field. The refusing is what concerns me the most. He's not trusting his ability like he used to, and this injury certainly won't help.
No QB makes every throw and every perfect read. For example, do you guys remember that Njoku throw Keenum had last week where he lofted it perfectly while Njoku was double-covered? Well, that play began with a fake orbit motion handoff to Felton and he then kept running around the end without the ball into the flat. Absolutely NO defender went with Felton and had Keenum looked to the right and thrown it to Felton, at MINIMUM its a 30 yard gain, possibly a 60 yard TD.
So I don't know what the answer is, but the data definitely shows we have a reticence to throwing it in the end zone and we just aren't throwing enough TD passes. We've got to take some shots, if nothing else to keep the defense honest and maybe get some pass interference calls like always happen to us. Also, quit throwing it to effing Schwartz. He's not ready yet and ALWAYS quits on his route.
LFG!
Why isn't Scarlett Johansson in my bedroom wearing nothing but a Bernie Kosar jersey and holding a feather, some lube, and a giant bag of gummi bears?
Thank you for this thread Soju, as without it, I wouldn't have this tattooed to my frontal lobe.
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There is some merit to this. It was said when Baker came in the league he was better on the move and it seems he has been throwing more in the pocket. We also have a wealth of talent on this team and we don't seem to get them involved. Guys like DPJ, Felton, and Harrison Bryant, all need more snaps. Is it me, or has Hooper's touches gone down too?
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I suppose several of you are not factoring in injuries and staffing on field. It’s kind of like criticizing a race car for not running at top speed when it’s going on 3 tires and 6/8 cylinders. When Baker is healthy with a healthy line if we don’t take shots perhaps I’ll listen.
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I think it’s fair to be critical of the team this year. It’s kind of been a mess. We are 4-3 but it’s not a strong 4-3. We win ugly. That’s how Stefanski rolls. No style points. Not many big plays. And the defense is Jekyll and Hyde.
before the year started, by week 8, I would figure the browns could’ve proven by now they are the best roster in the AFCN.
it hasn’t happened. It is what it is.
I really wish baker wouldn’t of tried to attempt that stupid tackle during the Houston game. I was there and there were so many times when I’m yelling at baker “what are you doing”. He seems to play hot and cold and I expect nothing less this Sunday Vs Pittsburgh.
please protect baker this Sunday Kevin. Please. No 7 step drops please
the browns are going to have to adjust. their passing game is made for big plays and was last year. Teams have adjusted having 2 deep safety's and giving up a bit in the run game. the browns will need to adjust to get some intermediate passes because the defenses have tried to take away deep passes and short passes while giving up a little in the run game because it is making the browns have long drives and less points scored overall.
the browns have long drives and less points scored overall.
A cause and affect statement. Just win baby!
Some teams run with the pass...little 4 yard passes. We run with the run. And that's fine....as long as we can pass when we have to pass. And we 'should' be able to pass with OBJ, Landry, Hooper, Njoku, Schwartz, Felton and Higgins on the team. (key word being 'should')
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This week is the first time since q3 of game 1 that the 5 OL starters have been healthy.
That's surely had no effect - since we're all in agreement that OL play is entirely meaningless!
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Um OK- Stefanski wins Coach of the Year... And since we're not 6-1 or 7-0, all of a sudden he sucks. Yeah right. Some folks are never going to be happy.
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Soooooo.... it is really RollerCam?
I'm sorry, Soju...
I thought we were 4-3 (as in over .500) and in the thick of a 2nd half playoff race. And how'd we get there? Run to set up the Pass.. and the PAP in particular. THAT is the exact style for which this which this team was assembled. It's the style I love to be sure, but also the one I see endangered by the RPO-future of the league. (Pretty sure I wrote about this...
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In my alternative future... what is the one thing that can defeat the RPO? BALL CONTROL...
Stef's roster is simply not capable of Pin-balling a scoreboard with the likes of Mahomes' Chiefs or Jackson's Ravens. That is the truth.. so for now we have to grind out long drives, eat clock and stave their TOP to compete.
If we want to play pinball, too, then it'll be another couple years to turn the roster around. How's that wait sound, Chief?
Lastly... How can you say "ALL" when last I looked KF is not leading our drafts or FA signings.
Wanna make a splash... stick to the kiddie pool.
Wanna dish with the adults, listen more... assert less.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
the browns have long drives and less points scored overall.
A cause and affect statement. Just win baby!
Some teams run with the pass...little 4 yard passes. We run with the run. And that's fine....as long as we can pass when we have to pass. And we 'should' be able to pass with OBJ, Landry, Hooper, Njoku, Schwartz, Felton and Higgins on the team. (key word being 'should')
A cause and affect statement. Just win baby!
Some teams run with the pass...little 4 yard passes. We run with the run. And that's fine....as long as we can pass when we have to pass. And we 'should' be able to pass with OBJ, Landry, Hooper, Njoku, Schwartz, Felton and Higgins on the team. (key word being 'should')
the browns under stefanski have never really been able to pass when the other team knows its pass. that is not how the offense is designed. its a front running offense with a playaction passing game.
that doesnt work when its under 2 min and the other team knows you are throwing.
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