Vaccination mandate
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^ this is what I am talking about here. As someone in the medical field Vapor I'd have to imagine this is somewhat annoying. And for guys in infectious disease (or Fauci himself) it has to be downright frustrating. And this is someone that at least got one vaccine. Imagine how off the rails the anti vaxxers are?
Cal, do you have concerns about a yearly flu shot? Is that "communist China" too?
I don't really find it annoying. The way doctors are trained now, patient autonomy trumps all the rest. There is no way to ethically tell someone to put something in their body that they don't want to take. People are going to think what they are going to think regardless of what information you have to share with them. That's simply the reality of a country that prioritizes personal freedoms as much as ours does.
I don't really find it annoying. The way doctors are trained now, patient autonomy trumps all the rest. There is no way to ethically tell someone to put something in their body that they don't want to take. People are going to think what they are going to think regardless of what information you have to share with them. That's simply the reality of a country that prioritizes personal freedoms as much as ours does.
For better or worse then I guess. Just seems to be leaning towards the latter the last two years.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I don't really find it annoying. The way doctors are trained now, patient autonomy trumps all the rest. There is no way to ethically tell someone to put something in their body that they don't want to take. People are going to think what they are going to think regardless of what information you have to share with them. That's simply the reality of a country that prioritizes personal freedoms as much as ours does.
For better or worse then I guess. Just seems to be leaning towards the latter the last two years.
For better or worse then I guess. Just seems to be leaning towards the latter the last two years.
it is just common sense. Progressive gov's across the board historically paint "the People" with
a profoundly, and stupid broad brush. Mostly because they want power over all the people, simple as that.
Like, "No Child Left Behind". Great political theater. Phony ideals to get people admiring the phony ideals.
Just one of the big problems is - special ed kids. Schools with big special ed programs suffered, because of the
lower grades in special ed programs. All kids are not the same. Some learn differently, some have serious trouble learning certain subjects, have trouble reading.....standardized testing?
seriously? that was STUPID. And it hurt a lot of great schools with great special education programs. Before the little woodpecker smarts off about "oh yeah it was Bush W" ...no, it was Ted Kennedy who got Bush W. to support it.
Out of politics. NOT a legit solution. Just an idealistic cause.
but no. The left wanted power to control every student. Which ends up controlling the parents.
Same thing with Afghanistan. Political persuasion - "WE ENDED IT NOW".
but over 400 AMERICANS WERE LEFT BEHIND. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF HIGH TECH SENSITIVE EQUIPMENT WAS LEFT BEHIND.
What the hell kind of solution is that? it made russian and china delighted to get a hold of all that.
Now they want to do a mileage tax. man made global crock of warming.
soooooo ideological, yes?
except, it will be devastating to vacations with campers and rigs, devastating to the trucker industry, devastating to a lot of manufacturing, and will hit a lot of people hard who drive a good ways to work.
Trucker strikes, empty shelves? sound like a solution to anybody on the left???
Spend America into oblivion and default on our debt.
More generalizations - " DEFUND ALL POLICE" what the crap is that?
ObaMaocare - a big bunch of lies. "If you like your dr, you can keep your dr" haha. Big intentional lie. "it will lower all your premium costs" haha. another big lie. "everybody MUST buy insurance, oh, and you'll pay a fine if you can't afford it".
haha. defeats the purpose of saving people money, right?
nasty moochelle obaMao commie - the school lunch interference? how did that work out? it did NOT.
All kids, AGAIN, are not the same.
covid vaccine mandates??? All people are not the same.
I could go on and on....
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Aside from these groups, it's a closer call about who needs to get a shot, says Dr. David Dowdy, an infectious disease epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. "For the vast majority of people, there's not an immediate urgency to rush out and get this booster," he says.
People who live in certain congregate settings, such as homeless shelters and prisons, and people who work in high-risk settings, like health care facilities, schools or grocery stores, may also be at higher risk for COVID-19. This is also true for people 18 to 49 with certain underlying health conditions.
But the CDC's guidance is not as strong for these groups. You have the option of getting a booster, but whether you decide to get one will depend on factors such as how much the virus is spreading where you live, whether other safety measures are in place, your underlying health and your own individual sense of risk."
and it goes on and on.......
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I don't really find it annoying. The way doctors are trained now, patient autonomy trumps all the rest. There is no way to ethically tell someone to put something in their body that they don't want to take. People are going to think what they are going to think regardless of what information you have to share with them. That's simply the reality of a country that prioritizes personal freedoms as much as ours does.
For better or worse then I guess. Just seems to be leaning towards the latter the last two years.
For better or worse then I guess. Just seems to be leaning towards the latter the last two years.
I disagree. Lifestyle changes are what we've been pushing for since I was a medical student, and we're lucky if 1 in 10 patients listen to us. You're a really good and persuasive clinician if you can get that number to 1 in 5. Just like with weight loss, people would take a pill to make them healthy if they could, never mind that it doesn't exist. Now, these same people think that the vaccine is a panacea, despite the fact that the fully vaccinated can still experience the worst symptoms, and I don't see that changing in the near future. If the majority of Americans bothered to take care of their health, this virus wouldn't be nearly as scary as it is. There are legitimate reasons for anyone to be vaccine hesitant. I can't really make the same argument for the morbidly obese.
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For better or worse then I guess. Just seems to be leaning towards the latter the last two years.
I disagree. Lifestyle changes are what we've been pushing for since I was a medical student, and we're lucky if 1 in 10 patients listen to us. You're a really good and persuasive clinician if you can get that number to 1 in 5. Just like with weight loss, people would take a pill to make them healthy if they could, never mind that it doesn't exist. Now, these same people think that the vaccine is a panacea, despite the fact that the fully vaccinated can still experience the worst symptoms, and I don't see that changing in the near future. If the majority of Americans bothered to take care of their health, this virus wouldn't be nearly as scary as it is. There are legitimate reasons for anyone to be vaccine hesitant. I can't really make the same argument for the morbidly obese.
I disagree. Lifestyle changes are what we've been pushing for since I was a medical student, and we're lucky if 1 in 10 patients listen to us. You're a really good and persuasive clinician if you can get that number to 1 in 5. Just like with weight loss, people would take a pill to make them healthy if they could, never mind that it doesn't exist. Now, these same people think that the vaccine is a panacea, despite the fact that the fully vaccinated can still experience the worst symptoms, and I don't see that changing in the near future. If the majority of Americans bothered to take care of their health, this virus wouldn't be nearly as scary as it is. There are legitimate reasons for anyone to be vaccine hesitant. I can't really make the same argument for the morbidly obese.
Unfortunately true. All the worrying we do about this preparation or that procedure is kind of moot if we are sedentary or overweight or drink and smoke. (At least I don't smoke ?)
WSS
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That's bullshit Vapor:
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Source: https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine
Lol. Can't have transparency when financially pressuring people into an unwanted medical procedure. Who the fuck is going to enforce this? I was under the impression that it would be impossible for Trump to ever win a presidential election again, but this type of stuff actually keeps him in the running.
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The lawsuits from this mandate are going to be epic. Looking forward to it.
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For better or worse then I guess. Just seems to be leaning towards the latter the last two years.
I disagree. Lifestyle changes are what we've been pushing for since I was a medical student, and we're lucky if 1 in 10 patients listen to us. You're a really good and persuasive clinician if you can get that number to 1 in 5. Just like with weight loss, people would take a pill to make them healthy if they could, never mind that it doesn't exist. Now, these same people think that the vaccine is a panacea, despite the fact that the fully vaccinated can still experience the worst symptoms, and I don't see that changing in the near future. If the majority of Americans bothered to take care of their health, this virus wouldn't be nearly as scary as it is. There are legitimate reasons for anyone to be vaccine hesitant. I can't really make the same argument for the morbidly obese.
I disagree. Lifestyle changes are what we've been pushing for since I was a medical student, and we're lucky if 1 in 10 patients listen to us. You're a really good and persuasive clinician if you can get that number to 1 in 5. Just like with weight loss, people would take a pill to make them healthy if they could, never mind that it doesn't exist. Now, these same people think that the vaccine is a panacea, despite the fact that the fully vaccinated can still experience the worst symptoms, and I don't see that changing in the near future. If the majority of Americans bothered to take care of their health, this virus wouldn't be nearly as scary as it is. There are legitimate reasons for anyone to be vaccine hesitant. I can't really make the same argument for the morbidly obese.
The "worst symptoms" would be death, correct? Aren't the vary vast majority of those dying from covid unvaccinated?
Sure, yeah, don't be overweight and that helps. Same can be said about most illnesses, especially anything respiratory. Unfortunately we live in a very unhealthy and overweight country.
Maybe the negative side of "personal freedoms" isn't being chosen more recently. Maybe it just took a pandemic to really highlight the negatives in the beliefs and actions that were already happening.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
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I disagree. Lifestyle changes are what we've been pushing for since I was a medical student, and we're lucky if 1 in 10 patients listen to us. You're a really good and persuasive clinician if you can get that number to 1 in 5. Just like with weight loss, people would take a pill to make them healthy if they could, never mind that it doesn't exist. Now, these same people think that the vaccine is a panacea, despite the fact that the fully vaccinated can still experience the worst symptoms, and I don't see that changing in the near future. If the majority of Americans bothered to take care of their health, this virus wouldn't be nearly as scary as it is. There are legitimate reasons for anyone to be vaccine hesitant. I can't really make the same argument for the morbidly obese.
The "worst symptoms" would be death, correct? Aren't the vary vast majority of those dying from covid unvaccinated?
Sure, yeah, don't be overweight and that helps. Same can be said about most illnesses, especially anything respiratory. Unfortunately we live in a very unhealthy and overweight country.
Maybe the negative side of "personal freedoms" isn't being chosen more recently. Maybe it just took a pandemic to really highlight the negatives in the beliefs and actions that were already happening.
The "worst symptoms" would be death, correct? Aren't the vary vast majority of those dying from covid unvaccinated?
Sure, yeah, don't be overweight and that helps. Same can be said about most illnesses, especially anything respiratory. Unfortunately we live in a very unhealthy and overweight country.
Maybe the negative side of "personal freedoms" isn't being chosen more recently. Maybe it just took a pandemic to really highlight the negatives in the beliefs and actions that were already happening.
The worst symptoms include respiratory failure requiring intubation and an ICU stay. If you are vaccinated, your risk of those is only lowered if you have the comorbidities like obesity and hypertension and diabetes and being elderly. The vaccine should be recommended to those at risk, like the flu and pneumonia vaccines, we are beyond the point of reaching herd immunity, and with the mutability of the virus it's essentially going to be endemic from here on out. I don't have numbers to support the statement I'm about to make, but of the 22% of COVID patients who die from the virus that aren't obese, I would wager at least 15-18 of those percentage points are people over 50. So when I hear "most of the deaths are unvaccinated," it really is not cause for alarm because the ones who are dying are still the unhealthy and the elderly.
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The "worst symptoms" would be death, correct? Aren't the vary vast majority of those dying from covid unvaccinated?
Sure, yeah, don't be overweight and that helps. Same can be said about most illnesses, especially anything respiratory. Unfortunately we live in a very unhealthy and overweight country.
Maybe the negative side of "personal freedoms" isn't being chosen more recently. Maybe it just took a pandemic to really highlight the negatives in the beliefs and actions that were already happening.
The worst symptoms include respiratory failure requiring intubation and an ICU stay. If you are vaccinated, your risk of those is only lowered if you have the comorbidities like obesity and hypertension and diabetes and being elderly. The vaccine should be recommended to those at risk, like the flu and pneumonia vaccines, we are beyond the point of reaching herd immunity, and with the mutability of the virus it's essentially going to be endemic from here on out. I don't have numbers to support the statement I'm about to make, but of the 22% of COVID patients who die from the virus that aren't obese, I would wager at least 15-18 of those percentage points are people over 50. So when I hear "most of the deaths are unvaccinated," it really is not cause for alarm because the ones who are dying are still the unhealthy and the elderly.
The worst symptoms include respiratory failure requiring intubation and an ICU stay. If you are vaccinated, your risk of those is only lowered if you have the comorbidities like obesity and hypertension and diabetes and being elderly. The vaccine should be recommended to those at risk, like the flu and pneumonia vaccines, we are beyond the point of reaching herd immunity, and with the mutability of the virus it's essentially going to be endemic from here on out. I don't have numbers to support the statement I'm about to make, but of the 22% of COVID patients who die from the virus that aren't obese, I would wager at least 15-18 of those percentage points are people over 50. So when I hear "most of the deaths are unvaccinated," it really is not cause for alarm because the ones who are dying are still the unhealthy and the elderly.
You better say the unvaccinated are killin everyone or these fools will hound you to the end...........I did like this statement....
Lifestyle changes are what we've been pushing for since I was a medical student, and we're lucky if 1 in 10 patients listen to us. You're a really good and persuasive clinician if you can get that number to 1 in 5."
I'll bet the healthcare field has more fat-asses then any other profession (if you don't count welfare as a profession).
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The "worst symptoms" would be death, correct? Aren't the vary vast majority of those dying from covid unvaccinated?
Sure, yeah, don't be overweight and that helps. Same can be said about most illnesses, especially anything respiratory. Unfortunately we live in a very unhealthy and overweight country.
Maybe the negative side of "personal freedoms" isn't being chosen more recently. Maybe it just took a pandemic to really highlight the negatives in the beliefs and actions that were already happening.
The worst symptoms include respiratory failure requiring intubation and an ICU stay. If you are vaccinated, your risk of those is only lowered if you have the comorbidities like obesity and hypertension and diabetes and being elderly. The vaccine should be recommended to those at risk, like the flu and pneumonia vaccines, we are beyond the point of reaching herd immunity, and with the mutability of the virus it's essentially going to be endemic from here on out. I don't have numbers to support the statement I'm about to make, but of the 22% of COVID patients who die from the virus that aren't obese, I would wager at least 15-18 of those percentage points are people over 50. So when I hear "most of the deaths are unvaccinated," it really is not cause for alarm because the ones who are dying are still the unhealthy and the elderly.
The worst symptoms include respiratory failure requiring intubation and an ICU stay. If you are vaccinated, your risk of those is only lowered if you have the comorbidities like obesity and hypertension and diabetes and being elderly. The vaccine should be recommended to those at risk, like the flu and pneumonia vaccines, we are beyond the point of reaching herd immunity, and with the mutability of the virus it's essentially going to be endemic from here on out. I don't have numbers to support the statement I'm about to make, but of the 22% of COVID patients who die from the virus that aren't obese, I would wager at least 15-18 of those percentage points are people over 50. So when I hear "most of the deaths are unvaccinated," it really is not cause for alarm because the ones who are dying are still the unhealthy and the elderly.
I mean, are we really calling anything over 50 as "elderly"?
And, not to be a dick, but I'd absolutely want some data to back up your point.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
The worst symptoms include respiratory failure requiring intubation and an ICU stay. If you are vaccinated, your risk of those is only lowered if you have the comorbidities like obesity and hypertension and diabetes and being elderly. The vaccine should be recommended to those at risk, like the flu and pneumonia vaccines, we are beyond the point of reaching herd immunity, and with the mutability of the virus it's essentially going to be endemic from here on out. I don't have numbers to support the statement I'm about to make, but of the 22% of COVID patients who die from the virus that aren't obese, I would wager at least 15-18 of those percentage points are people over 50. So when I hear "most of the deaths are unvaccinated," it really is not cause for alarm because the ones who are dying are still the unhealthy and the elderly.
I mean, are we really calling anything over 50 as "elderly"?
And, not to be a dick, but I'd absolutely want some data to back up your point.
And, not to be a dick, but I'd absolutely want some data to back up your point.
baloney. You never give data for your contentions, woodpecker. You look at everything sideways:
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Well, when even before you turn 50 is when you start getting letters from AARP to join. So................
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You guys know I'm pro vaccine but I'm not stupid I'm pretty sure what it can and can't do. Just on balance. That being said I said without commentary on the effects of the vaccine, if it were up to you would you rather have the police firefighters EMS and medical staff on the job and worrying masks? Or do you think it's more valuable to take a hard line and enforce the mandate. And I'm not asking for commentary on the effectiveness of masks just asking. I'm a little more curious about the guys from the progressive side.
I'll see how far this one last
WSS
You guys know I'm pro vaccine but I'm not stupid I'm pretty sure what it can and can't do. Just on balance. That being said I said without commentary on the effects of the vaccine, if it were up to you would you rather have the police firefighters EMS and medical staff on the job and worrying masks? Or do you think it's more valuable to take a hard line and enforce the mandate. And I'm not asking for commentary on the effectiveness of masks just asking. I'm a little more curious about the guys from the progressive side.
I'll see how far this one last
WSS
I’d rather have the mandate. I don’t put a lot of faith in those who don’t trust science. And as we are seeing the number of dropouts isn’t that high.
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https://www.aol.com/employers-firing-more-people-over-114647480.html
Forging fake vaccine cards is a federal crime, but what are employers doing about it?
And just for the woodpecker Cal had the vaccine. So did almost everybody on the board.
WSS
Yep, got my 3rd Pfizer shot on Friday.
Yep, got my 3rd Pfizer shot on Friday.
Got my Pfizer booster (3rd shot) on Wednesday. Felt kind of shitty yesterday, but feel fine today.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Yep, got my 3rd Pfizer shot on Friday.
Got my Pfizer booster (3rd shot) on Wednesday. Felt kind of shitty yesterday, but feel fine today.
Got my Pfizer booster (3rd shot) on Wednesday. Felt kind of shitty yesterday, but feel fine today.
Got my Moderna Booster Monday and the same.
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Yep, got my 3rd Pfizer shot on Friday.
Got my Pfizer booster (3rd shot) on Wednesday. Felt kind of shitty yesterday, but feel fine today.
Got my Pfizer booster (3rd shot) on Wednesday. Felt kind of shitty yesterday, but feel fine today.
Pfizer has three shots?
WSS
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All of them offer a booster now. Pfizer was the first.
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